obesity, discuss.

Saudi is particularly bad for it too. Sugary carbonated drinks and sweets. Adult Diabetes is endemic

Anyway…. enough of this nonsense. Its all making me hungry. I’m popping out for some lunch. Pie Barm and chips anyone….?

Andalucia currently has a big obesity problem, particularly in children. Diabeties in children is also increasing.

Why? Consumption of sugary bakery products, sugary snacks and processed meals.

IIRC similar issues in southern Italy, which can be much poorer than the north. Made worse by vending machines being installed in schools and a cultural sneering at fruit being the food of the poor (due to its abundancy).

We NEVER had sweet treats in our house when I was a kid. I am a sugar junkie.

Me too. I guess two of us qualifies as a rule, huh? 😉

If it really was a “hard-wired instinct”, then there wouldn’t be any exceptions.

A hard wired instinct in 90% of people?
A hard wired positive feedback mechanism?

You need some veg mate.

Splash of tomato ketchup should do it.

Me too. I guess two of us qualifies as a rule, huh?

Me three. Guess that makes it a law now.

It is not just a pointless oversimplification – it is the cornerstone to understanding – you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out. basic simple fact.

There are many theories about what foods encourage weight gain – see http://giveupsugar.com/ for one that seems fairly convincing to me but other reputable sources would focus on fats or carbs.

However regardless of what you eat you can only get fat with a calorie surplus. You can live on pure sugar for a long time but you will not gain weight without a calorie surplus

The actions of the food industry should be under scrutiny as well – but a lot of that is consumer led. Take two breakfast cereal manufacturers – one adds sugar to their product and sales go up – the other has to follow suit.

There are a lot of hidden calories in what we eat and drink as well – soft drinks and fruit juice are two of the worst for this. There is no doubt that we have a higher calorie intake than our parents and grandparents. Reasons for this are complex but far too often people look for complexity where none exists in order to make excuses.

Me – I am maybe 10 kg overweight. I know the answer. Stop drinking real ale and cut out the sweets and fatty snacks. Yes it is that simple.

There is a lot of misunderstanding and confusion on this thread – and a lot of surety were in fact only doubt and theory exists.

Look at the NHS advice on weight loss and healthy eating – that is the medical consensus as exists now. Look ate reputable nutritional theories such as iDaves or the website above and decide how much you think applies.

I agree with TJ.

You shouldn’t really overcomplicate this.

Where most of the debate seems to sit is with who is to blame, which if we are honest is very simple too:

Fat kids – parents to blame

Fat Adults – you’re to blame, there is only one person who is responsible for what you eat, how much you eat and how much you exercise. YOU!

pahh, you’re all looking at it far to complicated.

it’s the weight of the food you need to worry about.

that’s why i only eat candy-floss, it weighs virtually nothing so its practically impossible to gain any weight.

Me – I am maybe 10 kg overweight. I know the answer. Stop drinking real ale and cut out the sweets and fatty snacks. Yes it is that simple.

So whats happening there then ?.

You like Ale, sweets and fatty snacks…..

Where from, or how is our sense of preference being generated ?.

I’d say it’s not just “badly-trained” physical cravings though. Many overweight people are ironically also malnourished.
Eating low quality refined carbs leads not only to excess calories, but can create gross under-intake of many micro nutrients (minerals, vitamins, essential fats.. the list goes on).

The body may not crave only calories but also nutrition. Hence a fat and malnourished individual will continue to crave food and the underlying tendency for those individuals is to be attracted continually to the malnourishing refined carbohydrates which got them into that mess in the first place.

It is not just a pointless oversimplification

Yes it is. For instance for me eating less carbs makes it much easier to lose weight, as you refer to in the next paragraph. If your first paragraph was true there would have been no point posting the rest.

Where from, or how is our sense of preference being generated ?

eerm, taste buds?

For instance for me eating less carbs makes it much easier to lose weight, as you refer to in the next paragraph.

Surely eliminating, or reducing a food group, will have the inadvertent effect of reducing your overall calorie consumption? Which will then lead to weight loss.

There are no diseases that cause or contribute to obesity

Not entirely true.

Perhaps not diseases, but there are a number of conditions where the feedback that says “You’re full” doesn’t work and plenty of medication that has the side effect of making people ravenously hungry.

These may not be to blame for the obesity epidemic – but they do exist.

Phil.W

I’m sure you’re keeping up with the all posts.
😉

The purpose of mine was to outline to TJ that the core of his stategy for losing 10Kg, that being to remove from his diet, the very things his brain is rewarding him for consuming.

Is, perhaps, just a bit more than fiddling around the edges ?.

Otherwise it would have happened by now. It doesn’t though becasue that reward process is very powerful.
😉

I think a lot of people mistake dehydration for hunger too.

Given what I observe at work the only fluid intake some have is cups of tea and what the Scots call “juice” which generally means a sugary drink.

Need to educate folk to drink water, if anything.

I think a lot of people mistake dehydration for hunger too

Yeap, I’ll go with that as another facet from the issue of eating too much.

I find i get really really thirsty after my fifth packet of crisps. Do i need to drink more Irn Bru?

No, you need to drink more beer and smoke more fags, dummy…

I find i get really really thirsty after my fifth packet of crisps. Do i need to drink more Irn Bru?

Definately. Any iDisciples will be waiting for you at the top of the hill.

😉

Thank god for that. I’ve been getting it right all along. Thanks for clearing that up Hels 😀

Surely eliminating, or reducing a food group, will have the inadvertent effect of reducing your overall calorie consumption? Which will then lead to weight loss.

Yeah quite possibly, but the funny thing for me is that eating less carbs (and so probably less food overall) makes me less hungry. There is a test in the book I was basing the diet on and I rated pretty high for what it called ‘carb addiction’, my gf didn’t.

but the funny thing for me is that eating less carbs (and so probably less food overall) makes me less hungry.

have you increased the amount of protein you are eating? it’s probably fair to assume you have.

this is most likely responsible for the reduced hunger as protein is better at keeping hunger at bay for longer than carbs.

t is the cornerstone to understanding – you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out. basic simple fact

Have you got me in your kill file again TJ?

Calories out is a big variable. Many many factors determine calories out, NOT just your exercise level. Didn’t you try to lecture me about insulin and blood sugar when we argued about energy drinks?

this is most likely responsible for the reduced hunger

Based on what? Your own guess?

Have you actually done this iDave thing? If you had you might learn a bit about your own body’s response to these things.

Have you actually done this iDave thing? If you had you might learn a bit about your own body’s response to these things.

Have you actually lost weight though Molgrips?

…or at least any more than conventional dieting?

Molgrips – completely irrelevant how the calories go out – its a basic fact – you can only get fat if you have a calorie surplus. Did i mention exercise – no.

Same amount but MUCH more quickly and easily and with less and faster riding.

Your body responds differently to different foods – this absolutely beyond question.

After all, we already know that some people’s bodies just don’t store fat even if they eat more calories than they burn up during exercise. Why is this? Why would it be so impossible to manipulate your own body to become more like theirs?

Molgrips – completely irrelevant how the calories go out

Ah okay, well it’s still not a very helpful statement then is it? People don’t need to know that ‘simple’ fact, they need to know how to increase calories out, don’t they?

Why would it be so impossible to manipulate your own body to become more like theirs?

Heh.

You need to understand the basics before anything else. Much of what you say and claim on this is distinctly unproven theory with no factual backing or decent evidence.

TJ.

Perhaps at this point I should ask you to reconsider your trollesque responses…
😉

I might correctly expect that you could have anticipated the response you might get when you just rocked up with your contribution of :

” Eat less, do more “

There is more to this than that, and all you appear to be demonstrating is your lack of open mindedness, to be replaced with a bit of baiting….
😉

EDIT:

You need to understand the basics before anything else

Yes, and I’ll take my lectures from iDave, until you have proved yourself to be his better in this field.

solo – I am not trolling here. There is a lot of nonsense being talked on here – theory as fact.

It is not just a pointless oversimplification – it is the cornerstone to understanding – you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out. basic simple fact.

There are many theories about what foods encourage weight gain – see http://giveupsugar.com/ for one that seems fairly convincing to me but other reputable sources would focus on fats or carbs.

However regardless of what you eat you can only get fat with a calorie surplus. You can live on pure sugar for a long time but you will not gain weight without a calorie surplus

The actions of the food industry should be under scrutiny as well – but a lot of that is consumer led. Take two breakfast cereal manufacturers – one adds sugar to their product and sales go up – the other has to follow suit.

There are a lot of hidden calories in what we eat and drink as well – soft drinks and fruit juice are two of the worst for this. There is no doubt that we have a higher calorie intake than our parents and grandparents. Reasons for this are complex but far too often people look for complexity where none exists in order to make excuses.

Me – I am maybe 10 kg overweight. I know the answer. Stop drinking real ale and cut out the sweets and fatty snacks. Yes it is that simple.

There is a lot of misunderstanding and confusion on this thread – and a lot of surety were in fact only doubt and theory exists.

Look at the NHS advice on weight loss and healthy eating – that is the medical consensus as exists now. Look at reputable nutritional theories such as iDaves or the website above and decide how much you think applies.

TJ.

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

This is what you are not allowing for.

solo – I am not trolling here

With statements like :

You need to understand the basics before anything else

You’re certainly not lowering the temperature of the debate, are you.

you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out

So…. if i do bigger poo’s can i eat more pies?

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

Erm. Whut?

Solo – Member

TJ.

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

What? What on earth do you mean by that and can you provide any evidence to back it up.

There is no such problem in the fatherland of N.Korean with Dear Leader’s vision. 🙄 Except Dear Leader III as he is getting a bit chubby being spoiled.

People in the fatherland is energy efficient because they consume less with their petite body size. Very environmental friendly.

Much of what you say and claim on this is distinctly unproven theory with no factual backing or decent evidence

Who, me?

Is the role of insulin that much of a mystery?

Based on what? Your own guess?

No molgrips, based on the fact that gram for gram protein is better at keeping hunger away for longer.

Have you actually done this iDave thing? If you had you might learn a bit about your own body’s response to these things

Was that aimed at me?

today i have eaten,
3 rashes of lean grilled bacon with 2 scrambled eggs.

1 banana, 1 apple

2 slices of granary bread with 1 small can of mackeral

2 malted milk biscuits

and i am obese.

TandemJeremy – Member

Solo – Member

TJ.

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

What? What on earth do you mean by that and can you provide any evidence to back it up.

I rest my Case. You have just demonstrated your lack on knowing

Molgrips has it right, its about insulin response. Something you haven’t bothered to look into, have you TJ.
Tut, tut.

Eat stuff that doesn’t elicit an insulin response, and see what happens. You could try LOW GI food
IF, you were open minded that is.

🙂

today i have eaten,
3 rashes of lean grilled bacon with 2 scrambled eggs.

1 banana, 1 apple

2 slices of granary bread with 1 small can of mackeral

2 malted milk biscuits

and i am obese.

Well done. Have another biscuit.