[Closed] NOTW Hacking [spoiler]

Doesn't surprise me that she's had a hand in her badge. She looks a right dirty cow, that one.

bet she got a right good handshake package to walk though...

Don't expect we'll be seeing her down the job centre.

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And Rupe has had to rearrange his diary to appear before MPs. He originally refused but suddenly someone told him that could leadto him being arrested.

It ain't over yet by along way. Jail time for coulson and Brooks I think, huge egg on face for Cameron -maybe(hopefully) resignation

he was warned off coulson on several occasions - information passed to his senior advisers but apparently no one told him - bullshine.

Milliband playing this well so far - will he go for the jugular? Cameron has lied in the house. Can he pin him on it?

I so hope they hacked 911 victims' phones. They'll get gaol time for certain in the states.

wait till the usa uses their anti-corruption legislation to hit with some super mega massive fines.
Oh such schadenfruede

fingers crossed the daily mail will go down next
its quite tragic how they arent running with the story, you can understand it from the sun

i am very very happy though, now if only everyone would cancel their sky subscriptions.....

so hope they hacked 911 victims' phones. They'll get gaol time for certain in the states.

It makes you wonder the journos perpetrating this and all other intrusions into peoples lives, they say its in the public interest but obviously its in the interest of increasing sales. Did they ever think, ohh this is a bit naughty I wonder if it will ever come back and bite me on the ass?

I think they thought they were invincible.
Ohhh the ironing.

am very very happy though, now if only everyone would cancel their sky subscriptions.....

Seriously crossed my mind....

Junkyard - Member

wait till the usa uses their anti-corruption legislation to hit with some super mega massive fines.
Oh such schadenfruede

Indeed - bribing british policemen can result in criminal action in the USA that leads to big jail time

Seriously crossed my mind....

Why not act on it? I have a digibox its great. But then I think [s]wendy[/s]football is utter shite.

Why was Miliband not so indignant a few weeks ago? didn't lots of shadow cabinet members (along with Torys) go to some slap up evening hosted by murdoch?

better hope his continued appointment of Tom Baldwin doesnt come back to bite him.

mucho political point scoring IMO

Oh no doubt labour have been obsequious to News International in the past - Brown even went to wades wedding IIRC.

However Coulson is a totally different issue to Baldwin.

cameron was told he was complicit in illegal activity and given the evidence ( or at least the senior aide was) Baldwin was a respected journalist not the editor who was complicit in criminal activity and lied about it under oath. Camerons denials simply are not credible. Thats the issue. Canerons credibility

Hopefully this can mean that the political power (leverage) that Murdoch has in this country can be gotten rid of permanently.

Good news on Brooks going, hopefully to the dock.

All the politicians are/were being leveraged by Murdoch and if you didn't play ball you were destroyed in his [s]rags[/s], [s]news[/s]papers.

TJ

Camerons denials simply are not credible. Thats the issue.

good point- seems he's been indoctrinated in the Alistair Campbell school of responses- deny everything with increasing agressiveness the more you are made to look like an eejit

while i am happy to see the dodgy side of the press hung out to dry like this i cant help thinking that the goverment and by that i mean all parties are loving this as its making them look good and distracting from there screw ups!

Can everyone please remember that the same printed media that they are now bad mouthing were less than a year ago exposing the MP's for spending £00000000's on friggin moats for a duck pond or sh*g*ng shacks for there extra marital lovers!!

todays headline in the metro was "GOTCHA" Parliment forces murdochs to face grilling from MP's!!!

the MP's are as bent as the Murdochs

Teej, you are a fool if you think Milli**** is cleaner than cameron, he isn't, you are a fool if you fall for party politics, labour ****ed this country as bad as the cons ever did and ever will, they are all self serving scum. You make yourself sound very shrill with this continued heckling of the tories, if your support for Labour is as strong as your hatred for the tories then you are a lot less smart than you would have us believe.
Blair lied, Brown Lied, Cameron lied. Where exactly is the difference? You can come out with some policy based claptrap but you are deluding yourself.

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jul/14/phone-hacking-internet-press ]excellent article on the power of the press[/url]

Yeah... interesting to see a few people in parliament grow a pair all of a sudden. Too little, too late

There are a few MP's who come out of this with some credit. But no-one who's ever been near a cabinet office, that's for sure. With the possible exception of Vince Cable, who must be laughing his tits off at the moment.

Brown probably comes out as bad as Call-me-Dave. Having a tirade against Rebbecca Wade doesn't really cut it when you turned up to her wedding! Hypocrite!!

Interesting article in the Guardian this morning by Ian Katz. Saying that James Murdoch and Rebecca Brooks constantly bragged that they didn't have to go to number ten to have meetings with the PM, they just popped round

Unsurprisingly, Call-me-Dave is somewhat reticent of divulging exactly how many times they 'popped round' in the last six months. Quelle surprise!

I think that's a question that isn't going to go away though

[url= http://biggovernment.com/jdelingpole/2011/07/12/the-bbc-is-at-least-a-thousand-times-more-evil-and-dangerous-than-rupert-murdoch/ ]Slightly mad article on the power of the BBC[/url]

milliband is cleaner the cameron simply because murdoch hasnt had enough time to get his claws into him, whereas dave has been gently easing himself into murdochs crevice for a while now, red ed came out of nowhere to become labour leader

and if you think labour fuct the country as bad as the cons did, id say you had been reading too many news international papers!

Toys - if you think there is something equivalent to the appointment of coulson that labour did then let the papers know - they would love it.

Coulson was to be Murdochs man in number 10

Camerons senir aides were warned tht he has involved in illegal behaviour. Cameron still hired him and was still defending that decision last week.

Its one of he biggest political stories for decades. Its corruption, its the PM lying. It shows how flawed Camerons judgement is. I think its of similar importance to Poulson, to Kagan. It really could be Camerons demise

Just because I can see thru the tory lies and propaganda does not make me an apologist for labour

Milli****

Sam B - where the hell did you find that? I'd be frightened if I hadn't noticed most of the posters are probably taking a break from humping their sisters somewhere in Arkansas...

All things considered, I'm glad to see that my dad's philosophy on life is still being proved correct - he always told me that it doesn't matter how big you think you are, there's always someone bigger out there capable of tearing you a new one.

dave has been gently easing himself into murdochs crevice

I think you'll find that it's probably the other way round!

Slightly mad article on the power of the BBC

That's a great rant, you need to read the comments (and expand the replies to them) to appreciate fully.

sobriety - Member

dave has been gently easing himself into murdochs crevice

I think you'll find that it's probably the other way round!

Wow you must have been a genius in the playground.

Well I wanted to call Dave Camer-SYNT but I didn't think it would make it past the filter.

What's the issue anyway? Are you some kind of millibandophile? Do you think he is the working man's hero who if given the chance will sort this place out?

It will be interesting to see what dirt sticks to Cam.

Daily Mail

Although unrelated, the indie reported that the DM has increased it's price due to dropping advertising revenues. I hope it is the beginning of the end.

I think he's just calling you on the lazy underlying ad hominem of the term.

I think to put **** in his name is childish and puerile and not even funny. Why you did not realise this with my original comment is lost on me.
Yes when I call people by their actual name without inserting a swear /rude word it usually means I harbour some sort of deep rooted love for them and think all they do is brilliant.
Yes lazy ad hominem would sum it up in fewer words.

I'll put my hands up to lazy.

childish and puerile and not even funny.

Tick, Tick, and I wasn't trying to make anyone laugh except myself.

But your venom over this now smells of more than just the need to morally correct me, isn't it more about how it has hurt you?

Or more playground like if you want. Jeesus Christ get over yourself, I pointed out quite obviously that I think they are all total scum, the Ad hominem is implicit in my dislike of all of them.

Anybody else think she's modelled herself on the Sigourney Weaver character from working girl?
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Sigourney Weaver as Katharine Parker

Yeah... interesting to see a few people in parliament grow a pair all of a sudden. Too little, too late

There are a few MP's who come out of this with some credit. But no-one who's ever been near a cabinet office, that's for sure. With the possible exception of Vince Cable, who must be laughing his tits off at the moment.

Brown probably comes out as bad as Call-me-Dave. Having a tirade against Rebbecca Wade doesn't really cut it [b]when his wife organsied her wedding reception[/b]! Hypocrite!!

Interesting article in the Guardian this morning by Ian Katz. Saying that James Murdoch and Rebecca Brooks constantly bragged that they didn't have to go to number ten to have meetings with the PM, they just popped round

Unsurprisingly, Call-me-Dave is somewhat reticent of divulging exactly how many times they 'popped round' in the last six months. Quelle surprise!

I think that's a question that isn't going to go away though

there you go corrected for you... Milliband was also onthe list of vip's for her wedding... Funny how not many are mentioning this...

Both sides are going to come out of this with egg on their face and prob not a lot more.. Any thoughts of the PM resigning over it, as much chance as me winning the next £161million euromillion jackpot...

thing is bigdawg Cameron has shown very poor judgement and has lied - or is massively incompetent and runs an incompetent office.

couple this with the weakness of his position not holding a natural majority in his own party or in parliament?

he is beholden to too many people and interest groups and someone will pull the plug. How much longer will the lib dem rank and file put up with him? How long till the tory right explodes? How long till one of the key players spill the beans.

apparently the warnings from the Guardian were not passed on to him (so he claims) as they contained nothing that was not already public knowledge(the aides claim) There was actully seriosu stuff in the warning that was sub judice so not public knowledge at the time. if there were not then the aide is incompetence and Camerons judgement is called in question for that. if the aide did pass the massage on Cameron lied.

Coulson could and should go to jail.

Its going to be hard for him to wriggle out of this. private eye will be intertesting

Just because I can see thru the tory lies and propaganda does not make me an apologist for labour

I think this portrays exactly what I mean. You are happy to delude yourself that you have your leaders in check, because fine you can critisize Labour, you won't defend them by apologising for them.

But would you say this: the [b]LABOUR[/b] lies and propaganda?

I would, because they are all at it. The sooner we all see it the better.

thing is bigdawg Cameron has shown very poor judgement and has lied - or is massively incompetent and runs an incompetent office.

Unfortunately the same can be said of the previous two prime ministers...

Im no tory or labour lover, not really enamoured at any of the current parties, or their representatives tbh, Theyre all as bad as each other... But milliband just comes across as weak and chasing soundbites its ridiculous... He hasnt actually mentioned why he was at brooke's wedding as he..??

Also she's got a reputation as a bit of a ball breaker (quite literally) if she doesnt get her way...

So Toys - when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

bigdawg - this is far more corrupt that anything I have seen for decades.

Thing is - any conviction of Coulson is going to fall down, illegal arrest and unlawful search of journalistic material, police have ****ed it up.

How long till one of the key players spills the beans

Not long TJ. Andy Coulson would be my prime candidate. He'll have a certain amount of knowledge certainly, but I reckon its Wade/Brooks creature that might blab now she's been cut adrift. And I suspect she knows where [b]all[/b] the bodies are buried

These people have rich, cosy, privileged lifestyles. I wonder how they'll react when staring down the barrel of a few years in prison

Zulu-Eleven - Member

Thing is - any conviction of Coulson is going to fall down, illegal arrest and unlawful search of journalistic material, police have ****ed it up.

****ed up or deliberately messed it up?

Illegal arrest?
Unlawful search?

Aye binners - I wouldn't be supervised if one of the two did not turn supergrass in return for no jail time as they are both due some

Lifer - Member

Illegal arrest?
Unlawful search?

Zulu bollox

So Toys - when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

ahem - brown, sick kid story published with dubious sources, went to Wade/brooke's wedding anyway, then when it's safe to do so sets off on a "I could have stopped them all" tirade.
He knew the kind of shyte they were up to, yet still associates on personal level with them. How very, very moral and upstanding.

Also, Blair knew there was absolutely fk all evidence of weapons of mass [s]distraction[/s] destruction, but went to war anyway, with the subsequent deaths of, well so many Iraqis we didn't even bother to count them aand hundreds of british soldiers. All fine upstanding stuff in TJ-land though.

bigbutslimmerbloke - but not

when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

Sam B - where the hell did you find that? I'd be frightened if I hadn't noticed most of the posters are probably taking a break from humping their sisters somewhere in Arkansas...

Haha a friend of mine posted it on facebook in a similar "is this guy actually serious" vein. Some of the comments are astonishing 😯

This is about to turn into one of those arguments where TJ is proved wrong, but not in his eyes as he will move the goalposts/definition with every statement.

Scale of corruption, type of behaviour? What a load of diversionary bollocks.

When you admit that labour are easily as bad as the tories then I'll get off your back, but if you continue to ply this line then you are in for a long fight.

I'm not a tory, I'm not labour, but it pee's me off when people do this point scoring for their particular party and try and take some kind of moral high ground an behalf of a politician or political party. I mean how ridiculous and short sighted is that.

binners - Member

These people have rich, cosy, privileged lifestyles. I wonder how they'll react when staring down the barrel of a few years in prison

Didn't seem to cause Sir Jeffrey any problems, people of their ilk don't really do 'hard time' do they 🙄

Is there any way that Piers Morgan can be dragged into this sorry mess?
Would love to see that puffy smug face up before the beak.

He has a face I could never tire of punching.

So Toys - when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

Tom Baldwin - Milibands PR man!

on the other hand, when did Cameron last invite Rebekah Brooks and Murdochs wife to a sleepover party at Chequers?

Illegal arrest?
Unlawful search?

Yep, look into the caselaw - i) arrested after attending pre-arranged interview, arrest will fail necessity test, (Richardson vs W.Mids police 2011), ii) s18 PACE search of journalistic materials conducted without judicial oversight (Sanoma Uitgevers B.V. v. the Netherlands EHCR 2010)

Case closed!

In fact TJ, the fact that you are so into fidning ways to make the tories look worse than labour just exactly proves my point. If you look at it from a cold outsiders point of view, they are all milli****s and camersynts.

Didn't seem to cause Sir Jeffrey any problems, people of their ilk don't really do 'hard time' do they

Its a fair point. Or Jonathan Aitken. They both used their time constructively to discover God/write books

However, there's an added element here. Would you fancy going to prison as the person who authorised the phone hacking of murdered teenagers and dead soldiers

I'd say you're either going to be in with the nonces, or having some right old fun and games. I suspect this fact may presently being pointed out to them both

So in your world hiring someoneone suspected of being involved in illegality is far worse than being involved in illegality yourself and lying about it (Blair) or accepting hospitality from someone you know to be involved in completely immoral actions even when thos actions cause distress to yorself and your family (Brown)?
Really?
Do the trams run on time and to budget in your world?

Yep, look into the caselaw - i) arrested after attending pre-arranged interview, arrest will fail necessity test, (Richardson vs W.Mids police 2011), ii) s18 PACE search of journalistic materials conducted without judicial oversight (Sanoma Uitgevers B.V. v. the Netherlands EHCR 2010)

Telegraph report it was 'arrest by appointment' and that Coulson knew he was going to be arrested, how does Utigevers v Netherlands apply?

Case closed!

personally id like to see the whole damn lot of em sent down and forced to share a cell with either

or

though im confident that police collusion and expensive lawyers will prevent any of the big bods doing time and certainly not in a proper prison

Is there any way that Piers Morgan can be dragged into this sorry mess?
Would love to see that puffy smug face up before the beak.

He has a face I could never tire of punching.

Si, you're a friend of mine, and have helped me loads.

I'm going to find a way of granting your wish.

Oh no! This is becoming one of [i]'those'[/i] threads, isn't it?

Shall the rest of us shuffle off, and leave you to the next 3 pages of utterly pointless, uber-pedantic, repetitive, childish, inane point-scoring bickering?

Have fun!

Bullheart - can we all give Piers a slap purleeeeez, seeing as you're in Jim'LL' Fix it mode?

I f we are going to pick winners I've got my fingers crossed for Andy Hayman, he is so bad its untrue. Gotta be going down sooner or later.

Well binners we haven't had one for a while, so it seems only fair. Anyway TJ is talking shite and needs to have the space to let it all out.

Bigbutslimmer - I'd strongly suggest that you've misread the significance of both those cases.

isn't this only of great interest if you actually read and believe everything the papers reports? otherwise it's just a big fly in the media/ political ointment.
will this actually change the ugly face of politics/ the way in which people vote at elections?

I'm not so sure.
(hence the questions)

ZuluEleven - How do they apply?

lifer, I'll pm as its far too much bollocks for on here

Toys

TandemJeremy - Member

Oh no doubt labour have been obsequious to News International in the past - Brown even went to wades wedding IIRC.

Right near the beginning I said that. Odious and demeaning yes.

however if yu think Coulsons appointment is in the same league as sucking up to a Wade and co?................. Curry favour with NI executives or appoint Murdochs right hand man to the heart of downing street. these are equivalent behaviours in your book?

You keep saying I am doing the tories down because I am a labour supporter. I am not as you have repeatedly been told.

I am doing the tories down because they are some of the most odious corrupt and dangerous politicians we have ever had.

I am doing the tories down because they are some of the most odious corrupt and dangerous politicians we have had since this lot:

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FTFY

BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

So in your world hiring someoneone suspected of being involved in illegality is far worse than being involved in illegality yourself and lying about it (Blair) or accepting hospitality from someone you know to be involved in completely immoral actions even when thos actions cause distress to yorself and your family (Brown)?
Really?
Do the trams run on time and to budget in your world?

A reasoned and open minded post. FACT.

toys19 - Member

Well binners we haven't had one for a while, so it seems only fair. Anyway TJ is talking shite and needs to have the space to let it all out.

You missed the dog thread then.

But your venom* over this now smells of more than just the need to morally correct me, isn't it more about how it has hurt you?

This does seem to be descending into the usual right v left debate when it should be about honesty and integrity.
Few politicians will be able to walk away free from blame but that does not mean we should not attempt to work out who has a greater burden of blame.
Yes Blair [ imho] lied and distorted over the dossier and the war. He /labour should have been held to account [ thought the Tories voted with him on the vote] but that is no reason to ignore Camerons poor judgement over Coulson.

* you called someone a **** I said you were childish. Why am I the one accused of venom?

richc - Member

toys19 - Member
Well binners we haven't had one for a while, so it seems only fair. Anyway TJ is talking shite and needs to have the space to let it all out.

You missed the dog thread then.

Please, someone go start a helmet thread so the old jimmer can reach a state of beatitude 😆

Got to say there's a serious breach of ettiquette here, threads involving TJ should go along the lines:

1)Dis-agreement between TJ and another person or persons develops.
2)TJ backs up his side with interntery based facts.
3)TJ shoehorns a reference to how Scotland is better than England in order to support his argument.
4)Person or person(s) start throwing insults at TJ.

Could we try and get this thread back on to the correct format please?

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(5) - (8) endless pages of egocentric postings with diminishing relevance to OP

results in (9) multiple pwnage events

leading to (10) "Teh Edinburger defence"

Bigbutslimmer - I'd strongly suggest that you've misread the significance of both those cases.

The heavy-handed police action came weeks after the alleged offence and after the boy’s parents said they did not wish to pursue the matter.

He had attended a police station voluntarily to be interviewed. It is said that his arrest was unlawful because the arresting officer had no or no reasonable grounds for considering that his arrest was necessary: a precondition imposed by the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (`PACE') Section 24(4) by an amendment effective from 1st January 2006.

Complaint withdrawn= no reason to arrest him.

clong

4b. .. or TJ just ignores whatever the other person is saying and keeps banging the same old gong regardless.

hilldodger

10 goes without saying really, doesn't it?

TJ just ignores whatever the other person is saying and keeps banging the same old gong regardless.

It is a very impressive gong though. TJ gets oiled up and lets rip:

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Not forgetting 4c..TJ vows to walk away and lasts less than 4 posts before "teh return of teh law" 😆

Really got under your skin? The weakness of your argument is shown in your desire to attack me.

Plonkers.