Money – not suitable for Vegans?

Money is made from (amongst other things) pigs?

Interesting, I didn’t know what. I’m presuming it’s a storm in a teacup though if it is indeed “trace” amounts.

Capitalist pigs?

Last time I checked vegetarians tend not to be that cool with tallow either….

Interesting, I didn’t know what.

Bet you claim ignorance that a lot of beer isn’t vegetarian too 😀

Anyone disgusted by their porky-fivers can send them to me to look after.

Last time I checked vegetarians tend not to be that cool with tallow either….

Yes, you’re probably right in that the distinction I tried to make between vegetarians who wouldn’t eat the money and vegans that wouldn’t use it that is probably not the correct distinction. I’m not good on things like that.

There’s a number of religions that have a thing about animal fats of various types too…

Yes, you’re probably right in that the distinction I tried to make between vegetarians who wouldn’t eat the money

I don’t even think many carnivores would eat it either. Personally I draw the line at chocolate pennies. Paper money is reserved for lighting cigars.

Not exactly difficult to not use fivers in this day and age though is it. Given the number of other things that Vegetarians and Vegans do to maintain their decision to abstain from animal products this hardly seems to be all that significant. Where do you really spend cash these days?

Where do you really spend cash these days?

Same places as ever.

Where do you really spend cash these days?

In the butchers. Plenty of it with their prices, too.

I went to a gallery in Rotterdam once that had cabinets full of items made with pig bits, i recall shampoo, bullets, lots of plastics amongst may other daily use things

Where do you really spend cash these days?

At the weekend I spent actual cash in the chippy & the pub. The pub has a ‘no cards under £10’ policy and a drinks are £8 something.

I went to a gallery in Rotterdam once that had cabinets full of items made with pig bits, i recall shampoo, bullets, lots of plastics amongst may other daily use things

Did they have bacon, I like bacon.

the distinction I tried to make between vegetarians who wouldn’t eat the money and vegans that wouldn’t use it that is probably not the correct distinction.

I can’t speak for all vegetarians (in fact, I can speak for a total of 1) but it’s the distinction I’d have made. I’m fine with it because I don’t eat five-pound notes.

Bet you claim ignorance that a lot of beer isn’t vegetarian too

I’m well aware what finings are. Some brewers still use animal-based products (I’m less fussed about egg white than isinglass though), many don’t. The problem is that it’s very difficult to tell.

There’s a number of religions that have a thing about animal fats of various types too…

That’s a very good point actually. I can’t imagine the Asian communities being overly thrilled at having to handle money with piggies in it.

Could we not use this tactic to put an end to funding the Taliban – make guns / bullets and money out of pork ?

Trimix – I have a vague memory about a news story stating that Israel were looking at deploying some sort of pig deterrent on buses to deter suicide bombers. Interesting as pigs aren’t a kosher food in Judaism. Not sure how ordinary Muslims or Jews travelling on the buses would feel about it either. Obviously it could all be internet nonsense and/or my addled brain.

Edit: found it http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3484277.stm

Haven’t there been some pretty serious riots in India over things containing tallow?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#Tallow_and_lard-greased_cartridges

Some brewers still use animal-based products (I’m less fussed about egg white than isinglass though), many don’t. The problem is that it’s very difficult to tell.

Nah, it’s easy if you’ve heard of the internet 😀
http://www.barnivore.com

Generally most shit beer (lager, etc) doesn’t use finings (probably because they’re filtered) and most real ale does (although some are plant based).

I’m vegan(ish) and I’d much prefer money not to be made out of animal products, but I’m not the boss of the world and I’m not in charge of printing money. I am only in control of what I think and what I do (or don’t do). I think killing animals to make money is a bit odd, which is why I’m trying to live a vegan lifestyle, but it’s just one more thing in the list of silly reasons animals are used, abused or killed every day.

But then, from another point of view, animals are bloody useful and animal byproducts are a cheap, relatively renewable alternative to increasingly finite hydrocarbon-derived products.

Could we not use this tactic to put an end to funding the Taliban – make guns / bullets and money out of pork ?

Seems plausible, works for swords.

I think killing animals to make money is a bit odd

I suspect they’re not killed solely for tallow. They’ll be killed for food and leftover fat is just a byproduct. So arguably, you’re being more animal-friendly by having less of it go to waste…

I suspect they’re not killed solely for tallow. They’ll be killed for food and leftover fat is just a byproduct. So arguably, you’re being more animal-friendly by having less of it go to waste…

Fair point.

Where do you really spend cash these days?

Wherever there’s something I want to buy, and I have the cash available to buy it.

I think killing animals to make money is a bit odd

It really shouldn’t be necessary to have to explain what the words ‘trace amounts’ actually means.
It certainly does NOT mean that something is made from animal products.

The Bank of England so far has adopted a sanguine approach to the furore: “We can confirm that the polymer pellet from which the base substrate is made contains a trace of a substance known as tallow,” it said in a statement.

It really shouldn’t be necessary to have to explain what the words ‘trace amounts’ actually means.
It certainly does NOT mean that something is made from animal products

Alright, alright…Jesus!!!

I obviously don’t think that there’s a slaughterhouse behind the royal mint, do I?

I was trying to make the point that, as a vegan, I would prefer such things not to be used. I then went on to point out that I am only one person, and have no control or influence over such things and even offered an alternative point of view. But I suppose picking those parts of my post out for quoting didn’t give you cause for capitalisation, eh?

Patronising ****.

It really shouldn’t be necessary to have to explain what the words ‘trace amounts’ actually means.
It certainly does NOT mean that something is made from animal products.

I think you might have to. I’ve seen nothing in the text I have read that indicates if the ‘trace amounts’ is indicative of an accidental contaminate from some other use of the machinery or is an intended constituent ingredient in the polymer. The former would make your 2nd second sentence true, the latter not so much.

I wonder if the vegans who take umbridge at trace tallow in fivers also take issue with squished dinosaurs being used to make their plastic bank cards?

Dirty Money

There are probably more animal products attached to paper money even if they are not used in the production…

I wonder if the vegans who take umbridge at trace tallow in fivers also take issue with squished dinosaurs being used to make their plastic bank cards?

You really struggled to come up with something didn’t you?

as a vegan, I would prefer such things not to be used.

As a veggie for most of my life nor would I. It seems… pointless and avoidable. But if it is indeed a trace element it’s tricky to argue against.

If it’s a case of “this money may contain traces of tallow” in the same way that Oreos “may contain traces of milk” then I don’t think there’s anything to argue with.

I was under the impression (perhaps falsely) that tallow was part of the process involved in making the notes. In this case, I would be prefer it not to be. Not that there’s anything I can do about it anyway.

Clear enough?

It’s all bollocks, UK cereals and some vegetables are routinely fertilised with pug slurry and I don’t hear any jews/muslims/vegans complaining.

who knew your circle of friends was so diverse

fertilised with pug slurry and I don’t hear

He knew such little dogs could produce enough.

enfht, as a vegan, I would very much prefer animal products not to be used in those situations and do everything in my power to find alternatives wherever possible. I’m not trying to make everyone else do things differently, I’m just choosing to live my life a different way as best I can. I’m not going to get outraged about £5 notes or pig slurry, I’m just going to avoid using them, as is my right in our society.

I barely use any cash these days, go for months without needing it, just about everyone accepts contactless payments now…

who knew your circle of friends was so diverse

I sense the presence of a free thinking lefty. I accept that my post doesn’t fit your narrative so may I apologise for the headache I’ve caused, best go lie down snowflake.

Clearly I in no way touched a nerve with you and once more your arguments are powerfully logical and show you in a great light

Why are some of you non-vegans getting so upset?
As far as I can tell, no-one’s had a go at your way of life on this thread.

Pot, kettle.