Light steel or compliant/forgiving aluminum 140mm travel frames?

This is a first, a Hora thread that's descended into lame name calling that's not directed at Hora!

LOL

Hora is a **** face.

There you go, balance restored.

😉

I wave my private parts at your aunties, you cheesy lot of second hand electric donkey-bottom biters

Don't think they be to bothered hora one's dead the others blind.

I Fart In your general direction!

now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

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Mike, I haven't seen you or your sunglasses for over 4yrs

I know. But unless you ride harder now than you did then, you won't notice the difference between 130mm and 140mm forks and therefore can get just about any light steel frame you like cos you won't break it.

I am currently on 5 sets of Oakelys (I hear it's a topic of conversation elsewhere 🙄 ).

I am currently on 5 sets of Oakelys (I hear it's a topic of conversation elsewhere

Even in the distant lands of Manchester I hear of your fondness for shades Mike 😀

My riding hasnt improved- I just dont have a fear now. I even straight-lined down DeathStar whereas before I always kinked 90degree to the left to avoid after the gully.
Plus Ive ridden Steep steep before!

5 sets of Oakleys. Pah. A mate of mine had so many sets that the shop gave him an Oakley display case for them…

I know Clubber, 5 sets is nothing (and the oldest set is probably over 10 years old). Some people seem to think it's discussion worthy though.

Hora, if the fear has gone, then your riding has improved as you were always your own worst enemy in terms of not trying stuff.

I still don't think you need a very hardcore bike though (except maybe if you go out to the Alps).

Why don't you go for a Ragley Ti or a 456 Ti?

I cant afford/warrant a ti frame as a secondbike though. Ive always wanted to run two bikes, one full suss and one hardtail.

hora-genesis alpitude? I had a soul previously and have swapped for the alpitude. not mega heavy, adjustable revs on it, pretty forgiving at the back and I weigh 16 stone. I have the original white one but this/next years model looks nice in the pics I saw on here.

Every single one of them has cracked at the head tube seat tube weld.

I'd be more worried about the head tube being welded to the seat tube in the first place…

I have a Pace RC305. I do not know how one is supposed to tell whether the frame is "compliant" while riding it with a 2.3inch tyre on the back, a huge great fork and a 2.5inch tyre on the front. But for what it is worth, it does not feel noticeably harsh. As per Clubber, previous bike was an Inbred.

Incidentally, what did happen to the Ti456?

Ti456? Just didnt get on with it as my only bike. Theres a Genesis on classifields (too big- prefer medium frames) and a medium Cotic on ebay- it looks like it been used to its full potential (and too pricey).

I'd prefer to buy used. Not into spending full price for a second build.

I'm also a lardy but timid rider and for quite a few years now I've run a Cotic Soul with 85-125mm adjustable forks on it. For someone like me more travel is pretty pointless so given the Soul is light, strong and climbs well then it's pretty much perfect. Can't really see me changing it anytime soon, unless I persuade SWMBO to release the funds for a Ti version.

Grifter ?

"I'd prefer to buy used. Not into spending full price for a second build"

Sellers beware!

I mean a second built bike! LOL

I know what seth means… i gave you a bike once and you moaned. 🙂

For what its worth a steel long travel hardtail will not be much different from a long travel alloy bike. Stick some 140mm forks on a Stiffee. It wont be any different from an 853 tubed long travel hardtail.

As said above get a bike that needs a longer seatpost and longer top tube, use a shorter stem. 27.2mm seatpost size, Titanium seatpost. All things that I have found make more difference to the ride quality on the back end.

I reckon this steel thing is just a throwback to the days of a pencil thin tubed Kona Lavdome with 0 travel rigid forks and 1.8 XC tyres. Things have changed, Massive fat tyres, massive travel forks and steel frames with beefed up joints and seriously fat tubes and thicker butting to the tubes. The above things will make more difference. It seems none of this has been taken into account and steel frames are like riding beds of air if you believe all whats said, which they aint!

Change your riding position.
Let 3 psi out of your tyres.
Do some exercise that builds up your core stability.
Stop wasting other people's time and server space.

An angry Mr Agreeable earlier

Actually that's not a million miles away form how he will look in 25 years time.

alu frame and a 3" tyre.
mmmm, forgiving (but draggy)

Nor a million miles off what his Dad looks like 🙂

I reckon this steel thing is just a throwback to the days of a pencil thin tubed Kona Lavdome with 0 travel rigid forks and 1.8 XC tyres. Things have changed, Massive fat tyres, massive travel forks and steel frames with beefed up joints and seriously fat tubes and thicker butting to the tubes. The above things will make more difference. It seems none of this has been taken into account and steel frames are like riding beds of air if you believe all whats said, which they aint!

Perhaps, some of us like lifght bikes though (and have teh skilz to ride them, eh Kuco?)

Clubber, dunno about the facial hair, but he's definitely got the scowl and the Tipperary tan. 🙂

Well I now ride 2 fully rigid 29ers, so I must have no skill.

Don't blame me you can't ride a bike, I was willing to let things go.

SE666 – my point was that yes you can achieve some similar ride characteristics by building up a heavy steel frame with heavy wide tyres etc, but you add alot of weight that many do not need.

Kuco – I can out-ride you any day. I wasn't holding on, only yanking your chain, thought you might get the joke.

You don't even know me you assume I'm 17 (way off) you have no idea of what bikes or type of riding I do or capable of. You come over as a complete **** imo but then again you are a lawyer. Post what you like I just can't be arsed it's late and your boring me now.

LOL Even a lawyer is entitled to his opinion! Dont get so heated up Kuco.

Have I got this right Hora, you are looking for a frame that is light, strong and cheap, with a bit of compliance thrown in while we're at it? Hmmm.

Kuco, you assume I am ango-saxon 30-something Engineer living in Bedford in a house share when in fact I am a Maritime Pilot of African-Eurasian descent currently working in the Red Sea 🙄

James- if you found one. Let me know 😉

Kuco, you assume I am ango-saxon 30-something Engineer living in Bedford in a house share when in fact I am a Maritime Pilot of African-Eurasian descent currently working in the Red Sea

Whereas we know you're a anglo-east european cross-dressing tea-boy living rough in Chorlton Water Park. A location where you don;t need a long travel hardtail, BTW 🙂