Life, Faith, Religion and a path to finding God?

I’m going to have stir-fry beef with red peppers in Black Bean sauce for my supper tonight. What about everyone else?

I’ve got a thirst for a cup of enlightenment. Wonder if Tesco’s sell it.

Probably a beef pie, but I might have chicken fillets down the pub instead. “You’ve got the love”‘s on the radio at the mo.

My intention is completely, to support.

You are reading into it, patronisation that is not there

Woppit, if this really is the case, then you are really really bad at it.

MrNutt – Member

Woppit, perhaps you should cease criticizing other peoples beliefs, Then maybe you might not be the one asking for forgiveness?

1: I see no reason to not criticise other people’s beliefs. I ‘m happy to give the religious/superstitious a chance to convert me. 1/10 for effort, so far.

2: I’ve no problem with them trying to criticise mine, but don’t assume I’d let it go without replying (in my own, inimitable “insensitive” way, of course).

3: I didn’t ask for forgiveness – I suggested that barneslymitch stick to his own alleged principles, rather than abandon them at the first wiff of opposition.

Good luck with the faith thing. Personally, I think you’d be better off without it, but hey! What difference does it make, right? None of us are getting out of here alive…

Massaman curry and a bottle of CabSav. Really looking forward to it. Might buy an extra big plate for the purpose. mmmmm, hungry now.

CharlieMungus – Member

My intention is completely, to support.

You are reading into it, patronisation that is not there

Woppit, if this really is the case, then you are really really bad at it.

😆 Probably why I never took up counselling… 😆

I didn’t even know it had been offered. But yes, you should have taken it.

Oops. “… being a councellor”.

Good stab.

Why thank you 🙂

Come on Woppit; I’ll buy you a pint.

That’s a promise. Everyone here is witness to this. I’m more than happy to meet up and discuss things. Don’t be frightened.

Come on.

Oooh, a nice, juicy pint….

Mmmm…..

As an interesting aside – when I met petesgaff, he said he appreciated me talking to him about his cancer as if it were just another subject, like the weather or last night’s telly or something. He said one thing he couldn’t stand was people tippy-toeing around the subject for fear of upsetting him, which of course was the one thing that upset him.

I think a big drawback for people who get religious is the way in which they can’t talk about it without getting all upset and “offended” by what anywhere else, would simply be a robust discussion.

Not much of a reccommendation, in my view. Must be one of the side-effects of indoctrination.

Must be one of the side-effects of indoctrination.

You were doing so well! MrNutt came to this on his own, no indoctrination involved.

Must a central property of “faith” itself, then…

Woppit, have you had a read of my ‘arguing’ thread?

I’d be fascinated to read your thoughts…

… which, if that IS the case, is another reason to avoid it, it seems to me…

See that’s how we differ, Woppit. I’m actually geniunely interested in other people’s opinions.

You, obviously, aren’t.

Which puzzles me; if you truly believe in your own righteousness, why do you feel so compelled to argue with people all the time? Surely, if you were that confident and comfortable within yourself, you could just leave others to it, and still be happy?

You’re quite an angry man, aren’t you?

What d’you think of it so far, Nutt?

Don’t worry about what Nutt thinks, Woppit; we’re interested in what you think. Or rather, why you feel so compelled to evangelise about your own ‘beliefs’, yet are seemingly unwilling to consider others’ points of view.

Come on; you are so quick to challenge, yet when you are yourself challenged, you don’t seem to have the stones to fight yer own corner.

Ignoring this post will be seen as proof that you’re just an arrogant ignorant opinionated biigot.

Which I’m sure you’re not, really….

I’m with Woppit; any dicussion about faith/religion/belief descends into wishy washy silliness and weasel words because there is a complete absence of anything rational or logical about f/r/b. Again as Woppit has noted atheists don’t have any problem with what others believe right up to point where we have to put up with the implication that we are not worthy, going to hell, amoral, unable to comprehend the majesty of blah blah blah.

Don’t forget, too, that all these caring sharing finding yourself making the world a better place religions can’t even manage to deal with homosexuality, which has been around longer than any of them.

Woppit tells it like it is, no punches pulled, which is a good thing.

“The quest for certainty blocks the search for meaning. Uncertainty is the very condition to impel man to unfold his powers.”

Come on Woppit; where’s yer stones?

Crikey; let him speak for himself please.

if this really is the case, then you are really really bad at it.

😆 nail and head

he couldn’t stand was people tippy-toeing around the subject for fear of upsetting him, which of course was the one thing that upset him.

I think everyone has realised you have no fear of upsetting people but it is not a universal modus operandi for engaging people in debate and persuading them. In fact it has the opposite effect as they think you are a male hen and wrong rather than just wrong.
What you term robust debate is viewed by the majority as condescending, patronising and lacking compassion/understanding. Every thread the only thing that unites everyone is a dislike of your style.

Superb goadng there fred but reads a little like you are back to your old ways

No, I’m just asking fair questions of someone who’s very quick to question others.

Sadly, it seems he is unable or lacks the courage to actually answer those questions. 😕

No, I’m just asking fair questions of someone who’s very quick to question others.

Sadly, it seems he is unable or lacks the courage to actually answer those questions. 😕

Sadly, it seems he is unable or lacks the courage to actually answer those questions

Or he might be having his tea…

Junkyard displays his ability to claim innaccurate statistics to support his baseless case…

The number of people in the threads about this subject who complain about my (perceived) “attitude” as a percentage of all who take part are in the significant minority. There are at least as many who agree with me.

At least, that’s what the actual evidence shows…

No; he’s posting elsewhere.

T’was only a simple question, too….

EDIT: Oh there you are Woppit!

Fancy a go at answering me question then? 🙂

baseless ?
Self awareness really is not your strong suit is it?

Well, I’m sure you know best.

“Again as Woppit has noted atheists don’t have any problem with what others believe right up to point where we have to put up with the implication that we are not worthy, going to hell, amoral, unable to comprehend the majesty of blah blah blah.

Don’t forget, too, that all these caring sharing finding yourself making the world a better place religions can’t even manage to deal with homosexuality, which has been around longer than any of them.

Woppit tells it like it is, no punches pulled, which is a good thing.”

If you can find me one piece of evidence to back up your first statement crikey, I’ll be more than happy to back down.
With regard to your second statement, how do you know that I’m not gay? As for your third statement, are you on crack?
And woppit, in order for me to either forgive you or apologise to you (nice to see you covering all bases there), I would have to feel some sort of remorse. Trouble is, I dont – All I know of you is your persona on here, and ridiculous as it seems, I dont find anything likeable in that persona.

Self awareness really is not your strong suit is it?

No, it’s obviously not.

Woppit; if you didn’t have a keyboard and tinternet, is there any way you’d be able to voice your opinions in the ‘real world’?

Just curious, like…

Trouble is, I dont – All I know of you is your persona on here, and ridiculous as it seems, I dont find anything likeable in that persona.

I’ve seen him in real ife, yet he din’t even say hello, and ran away. 🙁

And woppit, in order for me to either forgive you or apologise to you (nice to see you covering all bases there), I would have to feel some sort of remorse.

Really, I don’t think jesus would approve, do you? Or have you used up your other cheek elsewhere?

“Once again you show your ignorance and insensitivity to”…

Erm, blah blah blah etc.

I sense a mod ‘s chopper (ahem) hovering as the “religion” thread once again collapses into the theists resorting to bickering and personal attacks (which apparently, are only horrible when I do them).

Yawn. Death,come soon…

BM, your sexual orientation is none of my business, shame the same can’t be said for oooh, Catholicism for example, Islam for a second example….

You are being disingenuous; you know, as I do, that the major religions of the world still, even now, struggle with the idea of homosexuality. Presumably this;

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

Is one of those bits that are allegorical…convieniently…

Am I on crack? Why not use a standard thoughtless comeback instead of any attempt at debate. You might not like Woppits internet persona, but my claim that telling it like it is is a good thing is a reasonably valid point.

Yawn. Death,come soon

Ah come on mate; it’s not that bad. Is it? 😯

In fairness Woppit; you do like to hijack threads like this, to get attention, then when you do, you start crying about how unfair it is. Your attitude can be incredibly patronising, condescending and downright insulting. Don’t try acting the innocent; you deliberately set out to antagonise folk.

I’ve given you the opportunity to offer an explanation for this kind of behaviour; an opportunity you seem unwilling or unable to take.

You’ve been banned for being insulting to people on religion threads haven’t you? Why is that, d’you think?

You might not like Woppits internet persona, but my claim that telling it like it is is a good thing is a reasonably valid point

Woppit cannot enter into any discussion of this kind (or indeed any kind) without needing to ‘win’, and belittle others. I am curious as to why this is. I doubt Woppit has the courage to offer an explanation himself, however.

Don’t try acting the innocent; you deliberately set out to antagonise folk.

Light absorbing kitchen implements in colour reference debating shock….

Your attitude can be incredibly patronising, condescending and downright insulting

Ditto…

In fairness Woppit; you do like to hijack threads like this

Come on, your entire contribution to this thread is to come on and slay the fearsome Woppit! You have made no attempt to engage in any other debate at all!

I doubt Woppit has the courage to offer an explanation himself, however.

Ok, Thomas…. 🙄

thread once again collapses into the theists resorting to bickering and personal attacks

Two points
I dont believe in god any god so thanks for not including me there.
You may have played a part in the bickering and personal attacks and seem to get upset when they are returned but seem happy enough to bicker yourself- see self awareness comment above.

Come on, your entire contribution to this thread is to come on and slay the fearsome Woppit! You have made no attempt to engage in any other debate at all!

I have, yet I’ve had no response:

Which puzzles me; if you truly believe in your own righteousness, why do you feel so compelled to argue with people all the time? Surely, if you were that confident and comfortable within yourself, you could just leave others to it, and still be happy?

See?

Light absorbing kitchen implements in colour reference debating shock….

I’m not denying it! I am at least aware of my own particular foibles, and can spot similar traits in others. Hence my questioning of Woppit.

But I’m sure Woppit can defend himself.

But I’m sure Woppit can defend himself.

I’m sure he can, but that shouldn’t preclude anyone else from pointing out the essentially confrontational and hypocritical nature of others posts should it?

This is STW, after all…

He started it, Miss…. 😥