Leon Brittan's dead

Tell you what, since I’ve provided vast amounts of supporting evidence and the claims relating to the copies of the dossier in the blog mentioned[/url] can easily be researched, how about you do some of the legwork, instead of amateurish assertions in a subject you don’t know much about?

I’ll even give you a headstart~ the guy behind that blog set up this mind map as a means of compiling the wealth of data… you’re free to peruse or attempt to discredit it at your leisure

(I’m not behind that blog by the way, but hats off to the guy, this other blog[/url] has also been pivotal for many in the field, liaising as they do with professionals and MPs with knowledge in the subject)

I’ve not seen one thing you’ve presented or linked to, on this or any other thread, that constitutes ‘evidence’ in terms of the generally accepted meaning of the word.

Do you really think I’ve made assertions? Is my sarcasm so inpenetrable that you didn’t work out that they were deliberately silly and simply illustrating a point – that things don’t become true simply because someone says them on the internet, and the saying of things on the internet does not, in and of itself constitute ‘evidence’? I thought the Peppa Pig reference would have made that clear, but obviously not.

That your response is to link to some more random shit and invite me to “attempt to discredit” it just shows that nothing I’ve attempted to say has been heard. So on that note, rather than go all tandemjeremy and repeat it over and over (and over again), I’m out.

The vast majority of what I’ve posted as fact has been backed up with evidence of sufficient calibre to make publication, without any challenges for libel…

What’s more, many of these bloggers along with ExaroNews were pivotal in campaigning and securing the child sexual abuse inquiry in the 1st place, as the body of evidence they had amassed was sufficient to overcome the pervading reluctance of the establishment.

Certainly, much of what is being revealed is hugely disturbing, but it needs to be confronted if both we as a nation and humans as a species are to progress.

Refer to this thread, especially the allegations surrounding Operation Midland involving MPs and Military bases to begin to grasp the depravity which we have to confront:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-the-bbc-news-now

How many more kids have died in similar circumstance with no-one speaking up?

How much similar activity continues to this day?

These are the real questions that need answers and more importantly, solutions

JY I am not shooting the messenger but you would assume he would have kept a copy as would have the Home Secretaries office, the DPP and the police. There has been an investigation that shows that large numbers of records where lost but I cannot imagine they keep everything anyway. What I find more than curious is the focus on Leon Brittan personally, it very much smacks of politics to me.

But when the Home secretary did not “keep a copy” you pointed out it was not his fault/responsibility to store it but when the whistleblower did this we “would have expected him to keep a copy”…aye no double standards there at all and holding them both up to the same standard 😕

Your repeated claim it is politically motivated is ludicrous and either stupidity or trolling.

FFS man what sort of “insight” is that ?
There is no one else to focus on but the man given the dossier, lost it , forgot he was given it, remembered it, cannot find it etc. That is the incompetent liar is the one whose actions we need to look at. Had he done his job then it would have been investigated thoroughly not least because he was the boss of the CPS, the police and the secret services.
Shall we go after the secretary who did not file it ?
Really …I give up with you you have to be trolling,

Well well, who would’ve thought…

Leon Brittan was under Met probe over claims of child sex abuse

Wonder what happened to all the evidence that everyone is so insistent must still exist…

What you also have to remember is that in addition to having the responsibility of the dossier the Home Secretary is also responsible for:

~The Police

~MI5

~Border Control and Customs

Wasn’t there something about 114 missing files too?

Makes you wonder…

So we’ve had victims, survivors, social workers and a customs officer all naming Leon Brittan as a savage paedophile…

now to add to that we have a prospective Tory MP who was a successful businessman

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2014/11/exaro-news-has-strange-progeny-for-a-paedophile-hunting-website-2573794.html this web hunting stuff is easy JHJ …. 😉

Ah, but what if that is a plant by the intelligence services attempting to derail victims trust in Exaro news?

They ain’t perfect (who is?) but given their extensive involvement in getting the inquiry set up and their tireless reporting which has:

~ Led to a number of police investigations (including Operation Midland, which wouldn’t have occurred without Exaro)

~ Caused the CPS to review and reinstate charges relating to Elm Guest House

~ Exposed many of the manipulations of the Home Office in attempting to derail the process

it’s fair to give them the benefit of the doubt.

it’s fair to give them the benefit of the doubt.

No, it isn’t. They should face the same scrutiny as any other media source. Perhaps even more so, given your opinion of them.

Just because you choose to believe their ranting without question, doesn’t mean that anyone else has to.

They’ve certainly been vocal. Have they actually directly ‘led to a number of Police investigations’ (they said ‘helped’ in the link I clicked) and so on as you claim though or are they just claiming credit?

And since I can’t be bothered to check all their rants, which ones have been completely disproven?

But then I suppose I’m trying to cover it up.

What are your thoughts on Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith avoiding prosecution Flash?

More pointless whataboutery and subject changes when you get pulled up on something.

Seek help.

What Flash says and Jive he is correct. Have some principles and apply them universally
You are nothing but confirmation bias where all information/reality must be focused through a filter that adds conspiracy to it.

Who’s changing the subject?

You are.

Next question (since presumably more speculation will follow)?

Not at all…

Both Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith have been linked to Leon Brittan…

In fact, after a journalist contacted Leon Brittan, he was warned off by Cyril Smith, then raided by Special Branch[/url]

Your repeated claim it is politically motivated is ludicrous and either stupidity or trolling.

Ah, but what if that is a plant by the intelligence services attempting to derail victims trust in Exaro news?

My money’s on stupidity…

I don’t trust that blog. It’s part of a web of lies designed to distract you from the truth. In fact Leon Brittan never even existed and Jimmy Saville was the creation of a virtual reality project started in Israel in the 1950s.

Make you wonder….

100! (Lizard p.does living under the Earth’s crust)

Well well, Police have finally got around to raiding Leon Brittan’s homes…

Why only now after he’s dead?

The Police were given much of the evidence surrounding Elm Guest House in January 2013.

Furthermore, he was mentioned as an abuser (which caused a D Notice to be issued) during the inquest into Carol Kasir’s death (one of the owners of Elm Guest House).

Could it have anything to do with Leon Brittan’s cousin Malcolm Rifkind’s influence being diminished?

Oh look, everyone still cares far more about JHJ being wrong than they do about paedophiles and corruption at the heart of the British establisment. 🙄

FWIW it’s obvious he either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about critically analysing sources of evidence – what’s the point in continually telling him to?

Easy Grum, you’re arguing with 3wk old posts ! (mind, there’ll be more along soon enough)

also FWIW, it’s currently impossible to critically analyse any of the accusations in the “establishment paedo” cases and so JHJ’s speculation is fair enough IMO – and his persistence is phenomenal !

My guess is he’ll turn out to be at least partially right, but only once all major protagonists are dead.

(undermined a bit by all the lizard stuff though, JHJ. Even if that’s correct we’re mostly all a long way off believing it)

Thanks scaredypants, just to clarify I’m not the one punting the lizard stuff…

Think a lot of the old timers on here are a bit fixated by David Icke and lizards, but I’ve never said there’s any of that reptilian gubbins going on.

Child rape, murder, collusion, cover up and a wealth of unanswered questions relating to such matters, from procurement of children from the care system, to involvement of the security services, to Jimmy Savile’s remarkable access to the higher echelons of British society and politics…even potential links to high level Freemasonry and similar networks in Europe, the USA and elsewhere are all reasonable areas of investigation.

But Lizards and whatnot are a bit far out from what I can ascertain.

Oh look, everyone still cares far more about JHJ being wrong than they do about paedophiles and corruption at the heart of the British establisment.

That’s rather presumptuous of you. As it happens I’ve got “rooting out paedophiles and corruption at the heart of the British establishment” down in my diary for tomorrow morning.

just to clarify I’m not the one punting the lizard stuff

my generic term for all that pyramid shizzle – I don’t think anyone* genuinely goes for the lizard aspect

*DI included

As it happens I’ve got “rooting out paedophiles and corruption at the heart of the British establishment” down in my diary for tomorrow morning.

I was thinking of mowing the lawn….

rooting out paedophiles

Perhaps not the most fortunate turn of phrase.

It is a bit weird given that the Queen has a weekly meeting with the Prime Minister that she hasn’t thought to enquire who redrafted Fiona Woolf’s letter to the Home Office regarding her relationship with Leon Brittan, especially as he was under active police investigation at the time…

Definite lapse in Home Office protocol there.

And why, since at the very least, Thatcher knew about Sir Peter Hayman, Sir Peter Morrison, Sir Cyril Smith and Sir Jimmy Savile (Thatcher was aware of abuse by the latter 3 before they were put forward for knighthoods) did she never think to tell the Queen during their weekly meetings…

Though it hasn’t made the headlines yet:

IPCC investigates claims of Leon Brittan Cover Up

We’ll have to wait for the investigation, but it would certainly seem the cover up has continued until very recently, especially taking into account the post above…