Legal advice please – cancelling a new car dispute

Well yes but from your op it’s pretty clear you were trying to wriggle out of the deal before you knew it couldn’t be enforced.

Well yes but from your op it’s pretty clear you were trying to wriggle out of the deal before you knew it couldn’t be enforced.

…and now you know you have some legal wiggle room, with the help of STW Lawyers Inc, you’re being surprisingly dickish bullish about it.

I don’t think Ling has come out of this very well. Bottom line, people’s circumstances change. What if the OP had lost their job and was unable to buy the car? A £500 bill for a cancelled order?? (Just a scenario,nothing more)
Fair play to the OP for challenging Ling. What a nasty horrible piece of work. Hope karma bites you on the bum.

What if the OP had lost their job and was unable to buy the car?

what if the op had lost their job after the 14 day cooling off period or even after the car had been delivered? That’s not a reasonable argument.

I’m glad the 14day thing is there, even if it can be used in ways that a lot of folks don’t consider as reasonable. That protection is worth it and suppliers just have to build that into their model

…and now you know you have some legal wiggle room, with the help of STW Lawyers Inc, you’re being surprisingly dickish bullish about it.

You can credit lawyers with their so-called “laws” if you want, but I’m putting Mick’s emboldened attitude entirely down to ol’ poopy’s reams of trembling lipped outrage on his behalf. This story’s true hero IMO.

The OP’s lack of self awareness is truly staggering! 😯 😆

From the first post:

My plan is to state i’m not happy with the T’s & C’s with the finance and that may be my get out clause?

Just as you did with the ‘hidden’ balloon payment on the van?

This is the sort of reason people don’t have any sympathy.

Just as you did with the ‘hidden’ balloon payment on the van

The balloon payment on the van wasn’t hidden, the balloon given by the rep was substantially different to the finance paperwork. I bought another van the day after from another source… this van argument is getting a bit boring now.

The reason why I’m being bullish is because she’s decided to use this as bait for her website and in the process accuse my mate of fraud. As mentioned, our original stance was to delay a little but she came in all guns blazing with threats of court.

Tables have turned now, if she hadn’t have used it to her gain to drive traffic to her site and been slanderous then I’d be long gone out of here. She even had the power crazed audacity to suggest she’ll sit on it and send the invoice when she decides….

During the course of trying to (legally) help a mate out she now has made it look like he’s made a fraudulent application which is a serious allegation. She’s used the data he’s submitted for the finance application in a very dubious manner and again used that data to check him out on LinkedIn. She now knows that I and him aren’t the same person yet she persists with her campaign and makes no effort to either acknowledge her failings (I’ve acknowledged mine and Christ the STW righteous are raping me for it) but meanwhile she’s not come forward with any explanation to her claims nor an apology for her blatantly incorrect accusations.

She’s dipped back into here to defend the DeLorean subject so she’s obviously watching this and still replying on social media.

easy to see why she was confused when she came on here to read the OP with all its “i”s and “my”s suggesting you tried to buy a car off her…. cant really blame her for that …..

I guess we have to wait till Monday/next week for the conclusion.

Will Ling quietly drop her bombastic attempts to take everyman and his dog to the small claims court?

Is she really that sure she’s on terra firma and going to go in hard?

Will Mick and Ling finally just get a room?

Will Poopscoop be revealed as the OP’s brother in laws second cousin twice removed?

Find out next week, in another thrilling episode of ’40 pages before we can all go home!’.

what if the op had lost their job after the 14 day cooling off period or even after the car had been delivered? That’s not a reasonable argument.
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Like I said, just a scenario.. 🙄

I dont think this will get to 40 pages will it?

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I dont think this will get to 40 pages will it?

I don’t see why not.

I assume Ling will want to explain why she has such nebulous fee structures when it comes to cancellations.

Mick will need to hammer home the fact he is the hero in this story a few more times.

Plus I am sure Poopers will have 17 more flounces.

It is if you want people to pay a charge you’ve no legal right to demand. Go in hard so they fold.

Playing Devils advocate somewhat as the last thing I want in my life is a 30+ grand car, but shouldn’t a cancellation fee also act as a deterrent in that it should make people think long and hard about their purchases? If it was just 50 quid loads of people would just order something, thinking that they have the stupid ‘cooling off’ period anyway so can cancel at any time before then, and not have to face any repercussions for their materialist greed? 😉

I don’t understand the cooling off period at all. Maybe 24 hours to cover being drunk, but from then on take responsibility for your own actions!

May be what?

Oh come on! Someone do it please!

Too true but as a bespoke maker you’re on a better footing for cancellation charges than a car leasing broker ordering cars with standard options.

A lot of the things I do – recumbents, custom Bromptons etc – are very like a car in that they’re built to order from a fixed list of options. So by some definitions quoted on this thread, they’re not really “custom”. But I have to pay for them in advance and can’t return them if my customer changed their mind.

It is simply not true to say that the OP was aware of the consequences Ling would attempt to impose in revenge for the OP cancelling.

Except that it was there on the contract that he signed in black and white and couldn’t have been made any clearer .

geordiemick00
That makes complete sense, I signed a piece of paper but prefer to conveniently ignore my desire to avoid the cancellation charge I thought was due at all costs… cool story bro…

Fyfy. You’re welcome. You never did confirm the quantum of charge you’d have not sought to shirk but continue to call out Ling for not answering questions. Seriously, by all means thank the lawyers for getting you out of a charge you agreed might be due and recognise the potential benefit to others but don’t overlook you’re desire to shirk.

Will Ling quietly drop her bombastic attempts to take everyman and his dog to the small claims court?

Is she really that sure she’s on terra firma and going to go in hard?

Will Mick and Ling finally just get a room?

Will Poopscoop be revealed as the OP’s brother in laws second cousin twice removed?

I reckon it will all have been a dream.

Ling ling reminds me of this..

bencooper – Member

A lot of the things I do – recumbents, custom Bromptons etc – are very like a car in that they’re built to order from a fixed list of options. So by some definitions quoted on this thread, they’re not really “custom”. But I have to pay for them in advance and can’t return them if my customer changed their mind.

I wonder what the response would be from the defenders on here if the OP had done the same to Ben. I just get the impression (possibly incorrectly but going on what’s been stated) that the OP would pull a trick like that on anyone and happily walk away. It just happened to be batsh*t Ling in this case who happens to get up to equally dodgy practises (by the look of things).

ling
Click the picture. Read the full exchange. Get the full picture, instead of your half-effort.

You really are a wittering willy, pooperscooper.

– Ling

Clipped the rest of the rubbish from your post as like most of what you post it’s irrelevant/incorrect.

Have to ask though? Did you actually mean to post that link? 🙂

You do realise it shows the Advertising Standards Authority as upholding a complaint against your company don’t you?

I mean, are you serious?! Lol

It really shows that regulations and law are just like optional extras to you. Ignore them if it gets in the way of moving cars.

If they get in your way just ignore and try to manipulate the situation to generate publicity. Even if it’s bad publicity.

Got to hand it to you though, Ling.
You should take up writing fantasy novels.

Narnia would have nothing on the works and worlds of fantasy you could create…

(Or should I say your PR company would create for you Ling? 😉 )

Bored now. In the words of Duncan Bannatyne, I can’t invest any more in this, I’m out*

* reserve right to opt back in if it goes mad again or if Ling does issue papers tomorrow as she suggested she would.

I wonder what the response would be from the defenders on here if the OP had done the same to Ben

My early view was influenced by the (possibly now incorrect, I’m not really sure) understanding that the broker had incurred some sort of cost by ordering the car on behalf of the OP. Same as the bike shop that got the Hope wheels in for someone a few weeks back, or bencooper buying materials or starting work on one of his strange bikes. As the thread went on it appeared (possibly, I’m not really sure) that the broker wouldn’t have incurred any costs. Either way it’s been wonderful for the neutral observer.

Well apart from not actually specifying the amount of the cancellation charge, and apart from using the word “may” (both of which mean he hadn’t contractually signed up to anything), then you’re right, it couldn’t have been any clearer.

..and now you know you have some legal wiggle room, with the help of STW Lawyers Inc, you’re being surprisingly dickish bullish about it.

I think jamie nails perfectly why there is limited sympathy for the OP right here

I was on your side at first, and I still hope you dont have to pay that woman a penny. But If it had been me I would have gratefully taken my get out of jail card and perhaps removed myself from this thread forever.

remarkable lack of self awareness, as others have said..

I wonder what the response would be from the defenders on here if the OP had done the same to Ben.

I have had people cancel things – if it’s before it’s actually been manufactured then no problem, if it’s afterwards then it’s tricky. I did have someone years ago order a custom electric trike then refuse the delivery because the mudguard was bent in transit to her – I gave her a full refund, but it was a struggle to sell it on again and I lost quite a bit on that.

I got my revenge, though – she later needed to sell some bikes and I got them at a very good price. So made my money back eventually 😉

Except that it was there on the contract that he signed in black and white and couldn’t have been made any clearer .

Unlikely to be in black and white.

I don’t understand the cooling off period at all. Maybe 24 hours to cover being drunk, but from then on take responsibility for your own actions!

With regard to goods (originally in Distance Selling Regs) it was because you hadn’t seen them until they were delivered – things like clothes and shoes quite often have size variations, and if you couldn’t send them back after checking the fit a lot of disputes would arise. For finance, I think it came from protecting vulnerable people from high pressure sales, pension scams, etc.

For finance, I think it came from protecting vulnerable people from high pressure sales, pension scams, etc.

And to allow even the nominally sane to consider what is a big financial commitment.

And as I said earlier it matters not one jot what was it wasn’t signed, made clear, underlined and in bold-whatever- it isn’t a legal contract term therefore it has no weight whatsoever.

We have UCTA, the CCA, DSR etc for a reason and using them isn’t wriggling out of anything – it’s the law end of.

Nuggets

Do try and pay attention Ramsey, this has all been painstakingly explained already

Lol@richpenny

Lol@richpenny

+1 😆

Poopscoop – I can’t decide, so are you actually GeordieMick’s brother or his daddy?

summitchilterns – Member
Poopscoop – I can’t decide, so are you actually GeordieMick’s brother or his daddy?

Who’re you?