Lance – how much longer before the bubble bursts?

Yep. Rowing. That’s obviously not to say that there aren’t rowers who have/are cheating as that’s clearly not the case but having actually been involved with many of the people you’ll see/have seen at the Olympics, I know that they were that step up from me because they just natuarally were more gifted than me, not because they’re cheating.

I do feel that Lemond feels ‘forgotten’ and shouts me! me! whilst trying to squeeze through the crowd of fame once more.

you think he sat there and told the world about being abused as a child without any kind of notion that his own personal pain would somehow help bring the truth about doping out into the open?

before saying you think he’s some kind of self publicist don’t forget that he basically ruined his business relationship with trek because of his criticism of lance, he also forgave landis after he made public the child abuse.

if you really want to know a bit more read up on how an associate of L.A. made abusive phone calls to Lemond which included words like “come and sit on uncles knee” which were veiled threats to stop the accusations (which obviously didn’t work).

you couldn’t make this shit up, i think it’s a fascinating story and would make a good film, just trying to work out who’s going to play
lance, pantani, lemond, landis and McQuaid
(and his pervy uncle)

I don’t believe there is a TDF winner ever who was not doped.

Conclusive evidence then. Can’t really argue with that. How fortunate we have the omniscient TJ and don’t have to rely on testing

Yep. Rowing. That’s obviously not to say that there aren’t rowers who have/are cheating as that’s clearly not the case but having actually been involved with many of the people you’ll see/have seen at the Olympics, I know that they were that step up from me because they just natuarally were more gifted than me, not because they’re cheating.

I find it hard to believe that there’s no doping in rowing, it’s an endurance sport that puts massive demands on the athlete. At Olympic level all the athletes competing will be “naturally more gifted”, which means doping is once again a way of gaining an edge over the competition.

If I had to name sports that’re probably free of doping I’d suggest synchronised swimming, some of the gymnastics (the artistic bit), maybe volleyball or beach volleyball, hockey, maybe football…

But to get back to the point.

On one side we have people who are happy to condemn based on innuedo and statements from known liars and cheats.

Then there are those whose personal belief is that what LA did was undoable without drugs (which means that these people are probably super athletes themselves to know this)

And lastly there are those who say that the evidence to date (gathered in an intensive and leading edge testing programme) suggests that there is insufficient grounds at this stage to consider LA guilty.

OK, you’ve just been charged with a crime you did not commit because some of the people you hang out with are dodgy characters.

Which group do you want on your jury? 🙂

If I had to name sports that’re probably free of doping I’d suggest synchronised swimming, some of the gymnastics (the artistic bit), maybe volleyball or beach volleyball, hockey, maybe football…

Darts?

Football? free of drugs?
Oh.
You’re not aware that the Spanish are finally, under immense presure, actually going to do something about Fuentes? and that there’s a lot of other sports persons named from sports that “apparently don’t have a problem with drugs” with names (like last time too).
Well, they’ll probably brush it all under the carpet again like they do with all other positive drug tests i all sports, but Spain is currently the European country of choice for PEDs.

I go and watch Macclesfield Town, it sometimes looks like the whole team is on drugs.

Conclusive evidence then.

work out who’s going to play
lance, pantani, lemond, landis and McQuaid

ben kingsley for pantani. think don logan in sexy beast.

On a serious note on Lemond. Its just a very sad state of affairs with this fella. He should be a proud and magnanimous past Tour winner, not surrounded by bickering, swipes, veiled attacks etc. Its not just Lance hes questioned is it?

If you go and watch Macclesfield Town, I’d say that’s conclusive evidence that you’re on drugs.
This is a biking website, so you must ride a bike.
Lance Armstrong rides a bike.

How much more evidennce do you need?

I find it hard to believe that there’s no doping in rowing

Me too which is why I said

That’s obviously not to say that there aren’t rowers who have/are cheating as that’s clearly not the case

My point was that it’s not prevalent enough to mean the clean athletes are crowded out of the game and based on my own experiences, clean athletes do regularly win.

Do a few pints before the match count as being on drugs?

Is this a bike forum? I have got a bike but it’s a proper one that goes off road.

😉

Do a few pints before the match count as being on drugs?

Binge drinking alcholism rife on drug addled bike forum shocker – oh, no sorry, i was just reading Mail Online

I have got a bike but it’s a proper one that goes off road.

why is that? eh? because you’re too out of it to stay on the road?
the proof gets more conclusive by the post.

OK, you’ve just been charged with a crime you did not commit because some of the people you hang out with are dodgy characters.

Dr Michael Ashenden who tested samples and found anomalies isn’t a ‘dodgy charecter’
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

On a serious note on Lemond. Its just a very sad state of affairs with this fella. He should be a proud and magnanimous past Tour winner, not surrounded by bickering, swipes, veiled attacks etc. Its not just Lance hes questioned is it?

what’s your point? he’s against doping, he put his livelihood at stake and made public his child abuse because he belies dopers should be outed.
you have a problem with that?

Ben Kingsley as Pantani. genius.

..made public his child abuse because he belies dopers should be outed.

How are those things connected? Sorry, but i don’t see the link

I think one of the differences with rowing is that success does not depend on maintaining a sustained performance over a three week long event
(also there are no hills)

true enough but many believe that all top athletes are doping. That’s not true.

How are those things connected? Sorry, but i don’t see the link

Landis’ team were trying to put Lemond off testifying against him and they were threatening to publicise his abuse as a child which IIRC Lemond had told Landis about when having a heart to heart and trying to get Landis to admit to having cheated.

he put his livelihood at stake and made public his child abuse because he belies dopers should be outed

Quite a diversion and misdirection ‘oh lets not go there or question him on doping’…

MrSmith – Member
…Dr Michael Ashenden who tested samples and found anomalies isn’t a ‘dodgy character’…

I was reading it avidly until he evaded the point when he was asked if he had analysed the samples – he interpreted them. The sound of axe grinding became apparent.

Rowing is also much more of an amateur sport and although I don’t doubt the top names can make a decent living through sponsorship etc. the vast majority will at best be on national sponsored teams. So there’s much less incentive to dope and it’s much less ingrained into the sport.

Pretty sure there’s been cases of beta blocker use in snooker and possibly darts but ofc skill-based sports are much less likely to be dirty.

One thing makes my blood boil more in cycling than LA and that’s the UCI. They’re either incredibly incompetent or corrupt (or both…). This new certified sticker thing is just ludicrous…

The sound of clutching at straws is becoming apparent to me. I am sat here trying to put my thesis together – am I supposed to reject all data I have not personally compiled?

There were no restricted substances in the early days, hence it was impossible to dope.

That didn’t stop them cheating though…

The winner of the first tour, Maurice Garin, was disqualified the following year for catching the train on one stage!

Actually, that should read: “Maurice Garin, was disqualified the following year for allegedly catching the train on one stage…” as Tour de France officials refused to confirm why he’d been disqualified and the inquiry documents were destroyed during the Second World War.

Actually, that should read: “Maurice Garin, was disqualified the following year for allegedly catching the train on one stage…” as Tour de France officials refused to confirm why he’d been disqualified and the inquiry documents were destroyed during the Second World War.

Must have taken a bit of planning;obvious not National express as he would never got throught to book a place for his bike,and even if he had the guard would have trashed it.

Then there are those whose personal belief is that what LA did was undoable without drugs (which means that these people are probably super athletes themselves to know this)

Or we read about the history of cycling and see that pretty much every man who has dominated the sport doped, legal or not.

How are those things connected? Sorry, but i don’t see the link

do some googling. Lemond tried to convince Landis to come clean and suggested that bottling the truth up and maintaining a facade would eat you up inside

http://velonews.competitor.com/2007/05/news/lemond-drops-bombshell-at-landis-hearing_12271

wow, in return for which landis tried to use it against lemond?<swear filter>me that’s .. I’m at a loss for words that won’t get me banned

based on my own experiences, clean athletes do regularly win.

I’m pretty sure that the 16 year old feckers in the four that pwned us at two bloody regattas were clean as a whistle. 😀

Ah, that brings back memories. I’m happy to say that in the past (quite some while ago) that’d have been me as the 16 year old 😉 We were a big bunch of feckers though…

The whole farce is typical roadie.

At least mtbers take proper drugs.

that’d have been me as the 16 year old

Good to see you’re as modest as ever.

We had the last laugh 😛

Well if you can’t relive past glories 😉

wow, in return for which landis tried to use it against lemond?<swear filter>me that’s .. I’m at a loss for words that won’t get me banned

and he still forgave him.
goes to show the integrity of Lemond (imho) and how desperate cheats become when tying to carry on the charade of deceit.

Rowing is also much more of an amateur sport and although I don’t doubt the top names can make a decent living through sponsorship etc. the vast majority will at best be on national sponsored teams. So there’s much less incentive to dope and it’s much less ingrained into the sport.

I would agree with this, as an amateur sport and there fewer gains to be made, I guess it’s not worth the investment in performance enhancing drug, though there was a case of doping in a women’s Olympic crew (Ukraine I think) and here’s a link that links the Chinese women’s crew and growth hormones, so it does go on, but not on a large scale.