Lance fessed up to Oprah

I think the answer has to be a cotic soul.

aracer – Member

yet all the LA apologists seem to keep ignoring it.

Hang on… Are you saying you think I’m an Armstrong apologist?

Are you saying you think I’m an Armstrong apologist?

What does saying things like “the doping he did was industry standard, and if he hadn’t doped some other cheat would have won those TDFs instead” make you? I can’t see a lot of difference between that and “they all did it, it was a level playing field, Lance beat all the other cheaters so he was still the best”, which is the classic LA apologist script.

No hes a realist.

There are ALOT of doping in cycling. Alot.

Contador ‘a friend bought beef and forgot where’ got a wrist slap.

No forgiveness. Disapear/ban them. No ‘redemption’. Show our children the true way. Clean.

apologist –
defender, spokesman, champion, arguer, maintainer, supporter, advocate, pleader, vindicator, justifier.

Will Hein Verbruggen finally come under the spotlight then? And then the other dodgy IOC-blazer-types?

But it probably will never reach UEFA/FIFA….

I don’t understand that at all tbh. Criticising the sport as a whole doesn’t make him less guilty. If that argument holds, then to condemn Lance is to be an apologist for the sport 😉 But the sad reality is, he was far from the only doper. Want to play the “who would have won Lance’s tours” game?

The two aren’t exclusive. My “extreme” position is that he’s guilty and so are lots of other people- and that to forget about them because hey, it’s alright, we got Armstrong and he was THE cheat, would be wrong. The job’s not done yet.

People shouldn’t be able to hide behind the big bad Armstrong, any more than he can hide behind the truth that the sport was dirty. And going after one shouldn’t stop them going after them all.

It’s not just about lance, what about his whole team, the lot should suffer.

No hes a realist.

you were defending LA after the USADA report was put – forgive me if I question your judgement hre

There are ALOT of doping in cycling. Alot.

See above

Contador ‘a friend bought beef and forgot where’ got a wrist slap.

he got banned for two years and stripped of wins

No forgiveness. Disapear/ban them. No ‘redemption’. Show our children the true way. Clean.

Sorry you are still hurting like this…I once believed the LA dream too

The job’s not done yet.

but we have cut the head off the snake.[ not that i disagre with the gist of that post]

Yes. Given the often stated fact about the number of samples which tested positive when retested later I think it’s quite clear that very few members of the peleton were doping (at least at some points in LA’s career).

But isn’t the ashenden work looking at those who were using synthetic EPO during the tour as opposed to ‘preparation’ before it – the alleged positive B samples all suggest routine microdosing during the tour itself rather than use in training in conjunction with other products, Isn’t it a little bit more likely that Lance was simply cheating more blatantly than others perhaps due to pressure of coming back to the tour.

Not to defend armstrong, just to note that its far too easy to portray him as some doping monster ruining the race for everyone else when there were plenty of other dopers operating in the peloton during that period many of whom may have ‘prepared’ but ensured they were not ‘hot’ during the race itself.

Junkyard – Big Hitter

but we have cut the head off the snake.[ not that i disagre with the gist of that post]

Not sure I agree with head of the snake, not so simple. But front of the line, yes, and a very good place to start. Bit late, mind.

I’m hoping for a Samson smash – bring the effing lot down and start again…

Hold the front page again!

At least they didn’t get a jimmy Saville tattoo….

Who is the tattoo of. 😀
I cant believe people here are defending armstrong.
Yes, others doped, but how would you feel if someone pressured your children into taking drugs?
Have you forgotten he’s a DRUG DEALER…. he didn’t just cheat, he forced others too, and ruined them if they didn’t.

[Who is the tattoo of]

Gollum?