Lance fessed up to Oprah

What I will say however is that in grassing up everyone else involved (regardless of his motivation for doing so), Lance will do more for Anti Doping than that Weasel Millar ever has. Its something that Millar, if he was serious about anti doping, should have done years ago.

well he’s hardly doing it for altruistic reasons is he? He’s not trying to clean up the sport he’s trying to save his arse. Besides due to his previous behaviour he’s in a pretty ****ing big deficit regards the sport, he’s gonna have to do some serious grassing to get into positive marks.

If you cannot see this huge area of grey you are going to struggle in life.

That’s a bit low, even for you.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corruption-currents/2013/01/15/justice-department-poised-to-join-whistleblower-suit/

Teh Fedz are a comin’ to get him now…!

The deadline for the Justice Department to join the suit is Thursday, the day Armstrong’s much anticipated interview with Oprah Winfrey is scheduled to air

is this some weird coincidence or is LA only gonna admit after the deadline has passed?

The deadline for the Justice Department to join the suit is Thursday, the day Armstrong’s much anticipated interview with Oprah Winfrey is scheduled to air

Apparently the interview is going to air over two shows now (reported by Telegraph), what is the bet the incriminating part is in the second show

If you cannot see this huge area of grey you are going to struggle in life.

That’s a bit low, even for you.
I did not mean it as an insult, as its a shade of grey I can see why you took it that way but , ironically, its not black and white is it 😉

I merely meant if you wish to see everything as either or then you will experience some problems as life is more complex than that.
It was not meant to be some sort of personal insult so sorry – a defence you dont have btw as you meant your insult whilst getting upset about an insult- oh the ironing.
Why would we have different sentencing for the same offence if they are all the same? Why do we give time off for good behaviour i it is all the same? why do we give reduced sentences for admissions ?why do you need to accept and be contrite for your offence to get parole etc?
All cheats are not alike in the same way as all thiefs are not alike. If you cannot make this distinction you will struggle as it pretty obvious.

FWIW – a 16yr old lad i knew who raced on the euro cx scene independently, was approached, and raced against racers who were, abnormal on race days, after chatting with his dad about his options he turned his back on the sport and went into engineering.

For me, this is the real tragedy of the doping culture. talented, committed young people turning their back on the sport they love because they refuse to cheat. We’ve lost hundreds, if not thousands of very talented cyclists to doping.

And as Nicole Cooke so rightly said, it seems that dopers win on the way up, and again on the way down.

oh and for the record i do think millar is a cheat and his reputation is tarnished and he could have done more as was suggested in naming names etc – perhaps here still an omerta there.
I suspect he did all he could whilst still remaining a pro cyclist and is part of a team with a no doping policy and has tried to leave a better legacy for future riders and create a better future for cycling*.

Currently I could not say that about LA but i do believe in redemption However LA has a very long path to walk to achieve that.

*That is laudable but it is not as laudable as having never cheated.

LA is a narcissist. End of. His motivation for this interview is purely driven by his own ambitions. Namely…. politics. At the very least, he wants to be Governor of Texas and lets face it, the USA electorate will have short memories and rose coloured specs in 15 years time.

After that stint, it’s mere bagatelle to run for the top job.

Afterall, he is eminently qualified, what with sewer rat morals…

Anyone good with photoshop?

Calling TJ – oh there he is on FB (hope you don’t mind me reposting, Jeremy?)

Liar, liar, pants on fire

oh and for the record i do think millar is a cheat

You mean there’s enablers who think he didn’t? 😯

1) ‘Fes up
2) Beg the “fans” for forgivness
3) Plea Bargain . . . .
4) Sorted

🙂

Northwind – Member
Rubbish. The sponsors are as complicit as everyone else

So it’s everyone’s fault then as you keep trying to point out. That’s utter bull crap. One person made that decision to inject drugs that was mr Armstrong, not Oakley or Trek

I wondered if LA was following millars leadmodel to redemtion?

Confess to it [sih] not take any riders down with you, take down the UCI and then try and build a clean one with ex dopers in it to make sure it never happens again- perhaps with his as the lead 😯
I hope he sticks to US politics and never gets out of Texas as i dont want to see him influencing cycling

Why would we have different sentencing for the same offence if they are all the same? Why do we give time off for good behaviour i it is all the same? why do we give reduced sentences for admissions ?why do you need to accept and be contrite for your offence to get parole etc?
All cheats are not alike in the same way as all thiefs are not alike. If you cannot make this distinction you will struggle as it pretty obvious.

I’m not distinguishing too much as I don’t really see the “crimes” as too different. Both took drugs (should we distinguish as one took less drugs than the other/wasn’t as good at it?) to gain an advantage. Both got caught. One got caught red handed and was still able to make a comeback and has said sorry and has been a positive (sorry) influence on the sport. One has been caught retrospectively and the dust hasn’t really settled and has not had the opportunity to be all “oops sorry, it’s really bad etc”.
I think that there’s a lot of this “I hope he goes bankrupt and homeless” stuff not because he cheated but because people don’t like him, which is fair enough; he’s a total ****.
Wish him the worst by all means but don’t disguise it as faux outrage at his doping. You’d think he invented the stuff! Loads have, do and will continue to dope.
If Millar hadn’t got caught by the rozzers, would he have become Mr anti-doping? Suppose we’ll never know.

I’m gonna really struggle to watch Dodgeball now 🙁

If LA is going nuclear and naming names of senior people in the sport should he get mitigation from a life ban?

It seems lawyers are queuing up for clients wanting their cash back and wriggle room is decreasing BUT

For all LA’s faults he possesses a tacticians brain and without a shadow of doubt he has his goals and several paths to get there. This process has only just started and in his bid to re invent himself he will sell whoever he needs to own the river and over the falls with a rock tied around their neck.

The publicised wish to return to competitive sport could be a feint and a classic mis direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy and ego tried to run for public office. Bill ( I didn’t have sexual relations but my joy juice was on an interns dress) Clinton who lied got away without being impeached and has a popularity rating which is higher than ever.

Stranger things have happened and to write Lance off would be to under estimate the determination and tactical nature of the man.

^^^^^^^

I think that’s what I was saying, but not so eloquently 🙂

International Richard –
He should have gone into politics, that way he could continue his deception and never be caught

On the first part (going into politics), it’s only going to be a matter of time. This interview is all just part of the long game. He is far from over / finished.

It’ll be interesting to see who’s getting named from the UCI if he’s taking it there …

One has been caught retrospectively

After failing to buy off the right people this time

International Richard – Member

So it’s everyone’s fault then as you keep trying to point out. That’s utter bull crap. One person made that decision to inject drugs that was mr Armstrong, not Oakley or Trek

It’s entirely his fault he doped (though, obviously has to be seen as part of the bigger picture). But it’s not his fault pro road cycling’s a joke.

Al Jazeera. Got a lot of love guys for you ‘Lance Armstrong..did he admit/make an admission’?

Rather than the headline ‘HE CONFESSES’ like everyone else

Hes going to use the vunerable time recovered from xancer when took drugs angle. I bet.

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2013/01/15/to-forgive/%5B/url%5D

Northwind – Member

But it’s not his fault pro road cycling’s a joke.

Given the level of collusion between him and the UCI, and the way e forced others into doping, it’s more his fault than most,

And nobody forced him into suing people on false pretenses

Northwind – Member
But it’s not his fault pro road cycling’s a joke.

You may not think he’s made it a joke but everyone I speak to thinks it and its joe publics perception that counts. Not the well informed cycling fan as they are in the tiniest minority

honourablegeorge – Member

Given the level of collusion between him and the UCI, and the way e forced others into doping, it’s more his fault than most,

That’s right- the UCI collude with riders they’re supposed to be regulating, and that’s mostly the riders’ fault.

I also like that Armstrong made the decision to dope himself and only he can be blamed for that, but it’s OK for other people to blame Armstrong- the big bad boy made me!

International Richard – Member

You may not think he’s made it a joke but everyone I speak to thinks it and its joe publics perception that counts.

Nope, it’s the truth that counts. When Joe Public thought he was a real hero, was he? When Joe Public neither knew or cared whether cycling was dirty, did it not matter?

If the most important member of a team is basically telling others that to ride at the level they want to ride at, they have to dope, then yes, it is okay to pin additional blame to him. But you know that already, I don’t know why I’m biting.

I know I’ve already said this but – I give up, you win

Who cares. When $ calls it takes them all.

Next will be British Cycling amazing story.

ormondroyd – Member

If the most important member of a team is basically telling others that to ride at the level they want to ride at, they have to dope, then yes, it is okay to pin additional blame to him.

Do you think there was any team of the time where riders weren’t being told that to ride at the level they wanted to, they’d have to dope? Or that Armstrong didn’t face the same thing as an up and coming rider? (or, that it never happened before or after him?) It’s the reality of a dirty game. It doesn’t excuse any of them.

I’m not saying it does. But I’m saying that those applying the pressure are guilty of something worse than those giving into it. That’s a perfectly normal legal/moral position

(i.e. “They were all at it” is too simplistic a viewpoint when some of them were coercing the others, with threats of demotion/loss of livelihood/never making it at all)

Yup- but everyone who doped is guilty of that to some extent. And frankly, if Armstrong said to teammates “You’ll need to dope to ride at the top level”, was he lying?

I think he deserves particular opprobrium for being a raging cock, but the doping he did was industry standard, and if he hadn’t doped some other cheat would have won those TDFs instead.

I also like that Armstrong made the decision to dope himself and only he can be blamed for that, but it’s OK for other people to blame Armstrong- the big bad boy made me

You are taking an extreme view point here

what you need to consider is whether LA as leader of the team – I mean what manager does not set an ethos for their organisation and cascade it down?- set the tone for the team , the morals, the way of preparation, the training and the regime. he was the boss and he had more influence than other riders. Would they all have doped for LA we will never know but his actions made them more likely to dope but it was never inevitable.

Its not hard to see this is tbh

Wish him the worst by all means but don’t disguise it as faux outrage at his doping.

I don’t. It’s outrage at all the other stuff he did in an attempt to cover his tracks – such as sue newspapers, attempt to end other people’s careers, make slanderous allegations etc. Things Millar never did, which is a point you seem unable to comprehend.

Junkyard – Big Hitter

Would they all have doped for LA we will never know but his actions made them more likely to dope but it was never inevitable.

But this is exactly the point I’m making- if you look at it in isolation, it makes Lance a bad guy. When you look at the other teams, and the climate he grew in, and the fact that this was institutionalised, it’s not so simple.

If he was an exception, then things would be different. Who believes that?

Northwind +1.

However he shouldn’t be rehabilitated but cast out.

Do you think there was any team of the time where riders weren’t being told that to ride at the level they wanted to, they’d have to dope?

Yes. Given the often stated fact about the number of samples which tested positive when retested later I think it’s quite clear that very few members of the peleton were doping (at least at some points in LA’s career).

If he was an exception, then things would be different. Who believes that?

See above. It’s strange, because it’s far from the first time this point has been mentioned, yet all the LA apologists seem to keep ignoring it.