Jeremy Corbyn

Just a few beers would be nice.

I’m beginning to think this thread should be closed. It’s a bit of an irrelevance now? Just like it’s subject, it should be allowed a graceful retirement on the allotment.

Wise words.

Just like it’s subject, it should be allowed a graceful retirement on the allotment.

Some pictures of Jeremy at the allotment earlier, having reduced Labour’s MPs to a sustainable number. 🙂

Stolen from elsewhere

I see we’ve arrived at the bi-annual festival of claiming a Labour party led by anybody who isn’t Jeremy is indistinguishable from the Tories.

So, a quick summary of what moderate Labour party did. You can just skip forward to Iraq if you like, but the facts still remain…

https://twitter.com/threadreaderapp/status/1323298560226566145?s=2

Jonnyboi,

You should have copied and pasted that whole link. Well worth a look for any contributors to this thread.

Pah, that’s not a revolution so I am out.

I should like to recommend that in the future politicians should be forced to invest in computers, printers and telephonic recording devices. How these clever trolls make all these awful threats and slurs without leaving evidence is a scientific wonder of the modern world.

Given his lack of ability to spell I’d like to see some fact checking on those claims.

But yes, New Labour definitely did some good and are massively preferable to what we have now. I don’t see anyone claiming otherwise so it’s yet another straw man.

I’d argue massively increasing the use of PFI was a disaster that he conveniently doesn’t mention also.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-blair-gordon-brown-carillion-capita-financial-crash-a8202661.html

But yes, New Labour definitely did some good and are massively preferable to what we have now. I don’t see anyone claiming otherwise

I do (dazh) If Starmer did similar things to Blair that would be no good and not worth voting for (i.e. keeping Tories in power instead of having Starmer because he is not a revolutionary)

Just gonna leave this here

https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2020/29/october/-i-lost-39-members-of-my-family-in-the-holocaust-jeremy-corbyn-is-no-antisemitism

Just gonna leave this here

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luciana-berger-interview-im-still-hounded-for-being-jewish-and-i-know-jeremy-corbyn-is-antisemitic-9n35dn5f5

Just gonna leave this here

Let me guess, that’d be Jerremy, Len and Seamus under that blanket.

The ginger ones are definitely Marxists!

Chairman Meow?

Grum wins.

So, a quick summary of what moderate Labour party did. You can just skip forward to Iraq if you like, but the facts still remain…

Excellent. Perhaps we could do a balance sheet to calculate how many dead brown people we should tolerate in return for Sure Start.

Perhaps we could do a balance sheet to calculate how many dead brown people we should tolerate in return for Sure Start.

Starmer is not Blair. Quite easy to picture him improving domestic policy, as Blair & Brown in some ways did, without going on some big USA attached international oil and family revenge war.

I never voted for Blair (or Brown, or Miliband) but I did vote for Corbyn, and I will vote for Starmer. He is not Blair2.

Starmer is not Blair. Quite easy to picture him improving domestic policy, as Blair & Brown in some ways did, without going on some big USA attached international oil and family revenge war.

I was responding to a post about new Labour: I made no comment about Starmer.

I’m just trying to encourage people to stop wallowing in the past, and engage with today. I agree with Dazh… time to let this thread gracefully retire.

I do (dazh)

Yawn. The truth is I’ve never forgiven new labour for forcing me to get a job in the late 90s. I was rather content on the dole, being an environmental activist and going to illegal raves every weekend. Seriously though, the world has changed a bit since then. We’re 20 years down the line with climate change and we don’t have the luxury of time that we had when Blair was around. Its also fairly easy to argue that Blair’s regrettable lack of ambition set the standard for those who followed him, resulting in the sorry mess we’re in now. If only our problems today were limited to finding a way to allow the IRA to surrender and creating a minimum wage. I mean they were important and welcome, but not even on the scale of what we have to deal with now.

Throwback to March 2018 when Ian McKenzie accidentally admitted that anti-semitism, Brexit & Salisbury were all smear weapons to use attack Jeremy Corbyn

(Ian deleted this tweet shortly after posting it) pic.twitter.com/9sle28VdPH

— Ben (@BenJolly9) November 5, 2020

Another one copy and pasted from Mark Francois’ Twitter. Lol at binbins

Oh the replies… I’d tried to forget about all the “Russia didn’t do this, it’s all a conspiracy” stuff about the Salisbury poisonings. Dark days.

Guess she’s one of the conspiracy nuts too eh

Jewish Professor, Annabelle Sreberny:

“The idea that @JeremyCorbyn is an anti-Semite is, quite frankly, idiotic…”

I agree.

He has fought racism his entire life & he is a committed anti-racist.#ReinstateJeremyCorbyn, now, @Keir_Starmer. pic.twitter.com/LGvCuBBf4Y

— James Foster #GrassrootsVoice (@JamesEFoster) November 8, 2020

apologies for the audio quality but @adamhillscomedy made such an important point that I feel like it needs to be shared. the corbyn fan club need to think about other people instead of flocking here to tweet “#ReinstateJeremyCorbyn” pic.twitter.com/lHj5yVp41z

— alexander (@cvbiclesdemo) November 8, 2020

ctk

Another one copy and pasted from Mark Francois’ Twitter. Lol at binbins

Do try to keep up dear. Penfold disappeared from all forms social media and hasn’t been sighted for months.

If you Corbynites popped your heads out of your Twitter echo chamber occasionally, maybe drew the curtains in the room at your mums house, you’d be aware of that

99.999999999999999% of the time it isn’t a conspiracy. It just is what it is.

With Corbyn, that is most definitely the case.

Ian Duncan Smith didn’t go very far in education (failed the 11+ and tried to pass off a languages course as a degree) and spent his life harrumphing and spewing bile at socialists, ‘experts’ as well as, ironically, the ‘thick’. He has been rewarded by marrying money, lives in a stately pile, has a well-paid job and a pension to die for. He does seem at least to be bright enough to have joined the right party.

and spent his life harrumphing and spewing bile at socialists

I think he posts on this thread.

If you Corbynites popped your heads out of your Twitter echo chamber occasionally, maybe drew the curtains in the room at your mums house, you’d be aware of that

I love the new cuddly, non-antagonistic version of binners. And yeah I do live at my mum’s house, since CV/lockdown completely killed my industry and all my work, and I do struggle to get out of bed some days due to depression, so thanks for that.

@CFH – he does make a reasonable point, and I think the Labour Party should listen more to Jewish people and address their concerns, but I don’t see that as meaning you’re not also allowed to be concerned at the way Labour is now unfairly tarnished as a racist party, and the Tories get away with their racism scot free.

As ever, Adam Hills nails it for me.

I’d vote for whatever party he was standing for I think. Can we have an Australian born PM?

Can we have an Australian born PM?

We have an American born one.

Ahh Adam Hills, Guardian columnist in waiting.

The EHRC report calls out the fact that, after the issue was first raised, Corbyn put in place a more robust complaints-handling process and “interfered” with a number of cases to accelerate the process of suspending members. Which sounds a lot like “listening to your Jewish members” to me. But as always, he’s Schrodinger’s Corbyn – simultaneously not doing enough to tackle antisemitism while at the same time doing TOO MUCH and interfering accelerating the process where necessary.

Someone’s going to need to explain to me all over again what is wrong with JC’s clarification of his response to the EHRC report.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/17/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-concerns-were-not-exaggerated

His latest clarification? Looks spot on to me. Very welcome. It’s completely stripped of all the stuff that was problematic in his “to media” responses on the day the report was published. Nothing to knock in it at all…

From his Facebook page…

Last month, I was suspended from the Labour Party, after 54 years’ membership and four and a half years as party leader.
On the day I was suspended I gave a broadcast interview to clarify what I had said in response to the EHRC report, and I also made a statement to the party to clear up any confusion about what I had meant, as follows:
“The publication of the EHRC report should have been a moment for the Labour Party to come together in a determination to address the shortcomings of the past and work as one to root out antisemitism in our own ranks and wider society. We must never tolerate antisemitism or belittle concerns about it. And that was not my intention in anything I said this week. I regret the pain this issue has caused the Jewish community and would wish to do nothing that would exacerbate or prolong it. To be clear, concerns about antisemitism are neither “exaggerated” nor “overstated”. The point I wished to make was that the vast majority of Labour Party members were and remain committed anti-racists deeply opposed to antisemitism. I fully support Keir Starmer’s decision to accept all the EHRC recommendations in full and, in accordance with my own lifelong convictions, will do what I can to help the Party move on, united against antisemitism which has been responsible for so many of history’s greatest crimes against humanity.”
I’m grateful to the many thousands of Labour party members, trade unionists, and supporters in Britain and around the world, who have offered their solidarity.
I hope this matter is resolved as quickly as possible, so that the party can work together to root out antisemitism and unite to oppose and defeat this deeply damaging Conservative government.

Focussing on the right things, post suspension. I’m happy to praise him for that… if only that had been his response on the day the report was published (when all the media were focussed on Labour and this issue)… that would have been very helpful to all. Timing.

Someone’s going to need to explain to me all over again what is wrong with JC’s clarification of his response to the EHRC report.

It doesn’t matter. Nobody cares. Outside the furious, militant, self-absorbed PFJ Twitter groups, obviously

His contribution to the news cycle today, if anyone bothered to report it at all, has been relegated to the ‘and in other news…’ bit at the end, that’s a story about a cat on a skateboard, or a granny who had a bath in some baked beans for children in need.

His natural territory. Where he’s always belonged…

Bye bye Jezza..

Does he accept all the findings of the report…………..

Because he doesn’t say that

From the report:

Some of the claims are pretty contentious

Use of antisemitic tropes. This means using written or verbal phrases or images that suggest antisemitic ideas or stereotypes. Examples that we found included referring to the idea that Jews are part of a wider conspiracy, or are responsible for controlling others and manipulating the political process, including the Labour Party. For example, referring to Jewish people being a ‘fifth column’.

Example

Local Rossendale Borough councillor, Pam Bromley, posted on Facebook: ‘Had Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party pulled up the drawbridge and nipped the bogus AS [antisemitism] accusations in the bud in the first place we would not be where we are now and the fifth column in the LP [Labour Party] would not have managed to get such a foothold … the Lobby has miscalculated … The witch hunt has created brand new fightback networks … The Lobby will then melt back into its own cesspit.’

Where in this statement does it even imply that the fifth column is referring to Jewish people? I wouldn’t take it to mean that. If this is an example of anti-semitism I think they are scraping the barrel.