Unfathomable. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the bottom of it Flashy.

Then again… do you think it could be one of those conundrums where, in the end, the answer turns out to have been really obvious all along?

Hmmmmmmmmm…. I wonder….

Socialism v the status-quo is always going to be a hard sell.

So very true! 😀

He hasn’t moved towards remain though, has he?

He’s offered what you claimed you wanted all along. It is of course no surprise that you’re now claiming that you want something else.

Stop being horrid to Jeremy! It’s not his fault he’s all … you know… ‘Brexity’!

If he says he doesn’t understand why he’s meant to hate the EU so much Len gives him a Chinese burn then Seamus gives him a wedgie and nicks his hummus

the remain vote is split.

No it’s not. The leave vote is split between the Brexit Party and the Conservative Party. The only mainstream remain party is the LibDems.

Stop being horrid to Jeremy! It’s not his fault he’s all … you know… ‘Brexity’!

If he says he doesn’t understand why he’s meant to hate the EU so much Len gives him a Chinese burn then Seamus gives him a wedgie and nicks his hummus

Been at the prosecco again, I see.

Prosecco. Oh no dahhhhling. How frightful. Champagne only, comrade

I presume you’re drinking vodka distilled from turnip peelings in a Labour camp in Ukraine?

Morning comrade. Is the revolution progressing ok?

No, people keep moaning about Corbyn even when they should be on the same side, it’s ruining it.

I’ve said many times and will again. Irrespective of everyone’s prejudices or hysteria about Corbyn, the only route to stopping brexit is via a labour led government, and Corbyn is the democratically elected leader of the labour party. Anyone denying that is simply making a no deal brexit more likely.

There can be only 1.

Your repetition doesn’t make the point true. There are other paths… they may be currently blocked by parties, groups or individuals… but they exist.

3 weeks til a no deal brexit. In that time the Corbyn haters can focus on trying to change the labour leadership, or get on with preventing a no deal. It’s that simple.

Christ, the SNP despise labour, and vice versa, but even they are prepared to put aside their differences for the common good.

Corbyn can stay leader, other parties and MPs can’t change that. They can force a no deal Brexit on us rather than vote to make him PM though, and many would. Labour can avoid no deal by proposing another temporary PM, get an extension, call an election, and then start campaigning… they’re three months behind… Corbyn has a lot of work to do if he wants to be PM for five years after that election, let someone else do the straight jacketed job as temporary PM for a few days. Remember, I want Corbyn to be PM after an election, and give us a referendum… but Labour need all these non-Labour MPs to act together with their own MPs first. Just make it happen! There is no reason why Corbyn needs to be the caretaker PM, who can only enact what Tory rebel MPs will back.

If the remainer anti-Corbyns can criticise him for not swallowing his pride (if that’s what it is) and letting someone else be caretaker PM, then you can bloody well swallow your own pride and vote for the party that’s promising a way back to remain. Do us all a favour.

Even Will Hutton, the most blairite of blairites seems to agree…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

then you can bloody well swallow your own pride and vote for the party that’s promising a way back to remain

Who was that aimed at?
And which party do you mean?

Anyone heard anything from the chosen one of late?

Oh…erm… did anybody actually nip up to the allotment and let him know that parliament hadn’t been prorogued, after all?

Somebody best pop up and let him know and bring him up to speed on what’s happened in the last 10 days

If the remainer anti-Corbyns can criticise him for not swallowing his pride (if that’s what it is) and letting someone else be caretaker PM, then you can bloody well swallow your own pride and vote for the party that’s promising a way back to remain. Do us all a favour.

That’ll be the LibDems then..

Five people who would make better caretaker prime ministers than Jeremy Corbyn [not serious]

That’ll be the LibDems then..

Ah yes their policy of “revoke” apart from its not really revoke since they wont be in the position to do so and therefore the policy is, what, exactly? What will be their redlines for a coalition?

I think they might have mentioned something about another referendum. I dunno, I’ve not watched the news since some time in 2017. [not serious]

A potato

It’s silent, damp and comes from an allotment. It’s basically Jeremy Corbyn but wearing a more stylish jacket.

🤣

Ah yes their policy of “revoke” apart from its not really revoke since they wont be in the position to do so and therefore the policy is, what, exactly? What will be their redlines for a coalition?

If enough vote for them they won’t be in a coalition..

Stop being so binary….😉

I think they might have mentioned something about another referendum.

Awesome. So what is in this referendum? What are they proposing as the choices.
Where is this ultra clear policy stating exactly what their plans are.
What are the chances of them **** it up as badly as their last referendum in coalition?

If you’re asking ‘If there is a coalition what will the referendum leave question be’, I suppose the answer is, ‘whatever the largest party says it will be’, or pretty close to that.

Ah yes their policy of “revoke” apart from its not really revoke since they wont be in the position to do so

~50pc of the population voted Remain so that’s a massive pool of votes going the LibDems way so I wouldn’t bet against them winning outright. Plus the leave vote is split at least two ways – arguably 4.

If they *don’t* win outright I’m still assuming they will be far more ‘remainey’ than all the other parties.

The message from the bunker is that they’re going to ignore the results of the polls and the EU and local elections, where former labour voters defected, en masse, to the Lb Dems. Come a general election all those voters that deserted them will come back to the fold and vote for the beardy messiah.

I’d imagine that that approach – which in no way could be considered arrogant, lazy and complacent – will definitely increase the labour party’s appeal and encourage even more people to vote for them

Where is this ultra clear policy stating exactly what their plans are.

‘Vote for a leave party because the back up plan of the remain party isn’t clear’ seems a very bad idea to me!

Plus it applies equally to both the main parties as well because they are highly likely to fail to win an outright majority. None of the parties will spell out a coalition position.

Thinking aloud: All Boris cares about is winning so he might well go for a coalition with the Libs, revoke on day one and hope everyone’s forgotten in 5 years time. (Osbourne supported him because he thought Boris was the only candidate wacky enough to just revoke and try to style it out!) Ditto Labour, they just need Breix in the past, they really don’t care with way it goes, they could do the same, revoke on day one and hope everyone’s forgotten in 5 years time.

‘Vote for a leave party because the back up plan of the remain party isn’t clear’ seems a very bad idea to me!

I think you are confusing “hold second referendum party” with “leave party”.

This “hold second referendum party” … would that be the party who’s leader won’t commit to campaigning for remain in such a referendum, opting instead to negotiate a red unicorns Brexit, then potentially campaign against it?

Or maybe, in the hugely unlikely event of him having to deliver that, he’s just planning another extended 6 week holiday like during the last referendum campaign?

not that he’s been any more visible since.

A cynic might think he wanted Brexit all along and was just happy to sit back and watch it unfold, chipping in occasionally to give it a helping hand when any article 50’s needed triggering or any customs union or single market memberships needed rejecting?

would that be the party

It would be the party who currently offer the only feasible and practical route to stopping brexit. The longer remainers deny this simple fact, the more chance we’ll crash out with no deal. Are remainers really going to put their dislike of Corbyn above their dislike of brexit? Time to act like grown ups and put an end to the spoilt toddler acts.

A cynic might think he wanted Brexit all along and was just happy to sit back and watch it unfold, chipping in occasionally to give it a helping hand when any article 50’s needed triggering or any customs union or single market memberships needed rejecting?

So what you’re saying is he would bring all this trouble/lack of popularity on himself because he wanted Brexit?

You’re having a laugh.

When your electorate is split, your party is split and your leave seats sit in such critical voting areas – what would Binners have done? Correct there is no easy answer.

Which us why there is no easy answer.

The Tory vote was also “split” as regard Brexit… but they’ve sought to gain more new voters than they lose old ones. Labour hasn’t done the same. It has just watched voters turn away from them without successfully doing anything to win over many new voters.

They’ve done enough to win my vote by promising a referendum where we can vote to stop Brexit, but most voters still think Labour is confused, weak and untrustworthy as regards Brexit. And that is absolutely on the Leader.

When your electorate is split, your party is split and your leave seats sit in such critical voting areas – what would Binners have done? Correct there is no easy answer.

Agree, but a better strategy could have been used than putting out a not very clear strategy that keeps changing.
The average voter is not very bright and struggles to keep up with what is going on without policies and strategies continually changing. Corbyn should have jumped onto the propaganda bandwagon and fought that way with very simple repeated messages as he would have got the attention required and people may have got a clue what the Labour party would do.

As for what would Binners have done, he would be on Google images searching for more hilarious Monty Python images.

Always room for more Monty Python images. Binners doesn’t lead one of our big two political parties, he doesn’t have to be up to the job of defeating Johnson, of winning seats, or of leading the country, he doesn’t have to have any answers… he just has to point out, that after, what, 4 years, most of the country don’t think Corbyn can do any of those things well either.

Indeed.

He’s just made one of his rare TV appearances. The BBC has managed to track him down to wherever he was hiding today. He made a brief, anodyne, utterly vacuous comment, while wearing a high vis tabard

For all the passion, authority and presence he commanded, if you’d have flicked the news on that point you’d have thought they were doing a vox pop with a passing fork lift truck driver who looks like he should have retired a good few years ago

We’re at a critical point of the Brexit process, in unprecedented times, with a general election imminent and the Brexit deadline looming, and the leader of the opposition went through the motions on the BBC as quickly as possible while looking visibly like he couldn’t really be arsed and it was all a bit of a chore.

He’s a waste of ****ing space!

I can’t help thinking what would be happening if you had a leader worth calling that without snorting with derision, with someone like Alastair Campbell in the background.

They’d be absolutely all ****ing over Joris Bohnson 24/7

Instead…

Standard Grandad

Time to act like grown ups and put an end to the spoilt toddler acts.

I agree – the sooner Grandad is gone the better!

I cannot see why the least popular, most ineffectual leader of the opposition in generations isn’t a natural choice myself.

Binners doesn’t lead one of our big two political parties, he doesn’t have to be up to the job of defeating Johnson, of winning seats, or of leading the country, he doesn’t have to have any answers

Don’t agree at all. It is fine to criticise but you should at least have some ideas and if not maybe admit that he is in a no win situation rather than just repeat magic grandad, 6th formers and again those hilarious Monty Python images.