Jeremy Corbyn

Coyne was on Sohpy Ridge’s show binners. Spoke sense as far as I am concerned.

Corbyn provided more comedy gold as Footballers are to be excluded from a wage cap as they “are only with their clubs a short time”, like 15 years 😀 I don’t have too many stats on CEOs but I’d wager on average they last substantially less than 10 in the top job. At least we understand where Jeremy’s loyalties lie, forget business people it’s wendy ballers all the way.

We have a workingpop of around 30-35m and the focus is on the wages of 100 of them!! What’s that as a percentage? How many zeros after the decimal point??

Nice priorities!

Glad Jezza wasn’t too downhearted about this morning,

On @MarrShow this morning we discussed @Theresa_May’s chaotic Brexit, the #NHSCrisis & how Labour will build a more equal society #Marr pic.twitter.com/rpzasiB1Sk

Nuclear power = not a bad thing ( this week )

Mr Corbyn markedly softened his tone on nuclear power, insisting that Britain’s civil nuclear power stations would remain “for a long time” and could expand. In the past he has called for them to be decommissioned.

Not the first time that Labour has had a “pretty straight kinda guy” as leader.

@cranberry #sellout 😉 good call there is no way the UK meets pollution reduction targets without nuclear. Unfortunately the answer is not flogging the old ones but building new ones.

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We have a workingpop of around 30-35m and the focus is on the wages of 100 of them!! What’s that as a percentage? How many zeros after the decimal point??

Nice priorities! It’s not Corbyn’s priorities, it’s the media’s. As soon as the cap was mentioned, the media suddenly thought of a way in which they could get Labour’s core audience even more alienated from Corbyn – by focussing on footballers.

The problem is, Corbyn should have had a much much much better reply to this. Something like “It’s interesting that when I mention high earners, people immediately focus on footballers and completely forget that the wealth of the richest X number of people in Britain is the same as Y% of population. That’s the inequality that needs focussing on…”

Why did Jezza open with the wages of the FTSE 100 CEOs then?

Corbyn and his comrades in Alliance for Workers Liberty / Momentum are ABSOLUTELY obessed with the wealth of the few. It’s central to their anti-capitalist beliefs. You don’t think a Shadow Chancellor who is a self proclaimed Marxist is not obssesed with the wealth of a few ?

Corbyn has said footballers will e exclused from the salary cap, I fear for F1 drivers, golfers and rugby players though as they don’t benefit from representing the “working mans” game. They will be lumped in with the CEOs and put to the financial sword. Wayne Rooney is ok though, phew !

I don’t get your comments jambalaya. Which bits do you agree with and which bits don’t you?
You seem to ridicule every aspect, which is exactly the problem. Why not focus on which bits you agree with and broaden the discussion and find solutions, instead of seeking to shut it down.

For example, if you don’t agree that inequality needs managing, surely that’s the important thing to focus on, not all the guff you posted above.

F1 drivers all live in Monaco. CEOs wages are out of control and they kind of decide what to pay themselves dont they? Shouldn’t any decent CEO want his workers to be paid more?

Also are Non Doms included in inequality stats? What about shares as pay etc are they included in the figures?

Footballers getting paid loads fine by me. Super high unaffordable-to-most ticket prices not OK. (Yes I know stadiums sell out at these super high prices)

Corbyn and his comrades in Alliance for Workers Liberty / Momentum are ABSOLUTELY obessed with the wealth of the few.

Hold on.. that’s a little bit disingenuous.

It’s not the wealth of the few that’s the problem. It’s the ratio of their wealth to that of everyone else. In other words, that people are hoarding it for themselves instead of sharing it.

Quite an important point, don’t you think?

F1 drivers all live in Monaco

And.pro cyclists etc. They travel the world and wouldn’t spend 6 months in the UK, along with having a short time to use their skills. Want to see inequality try applying real world to lots of local councils

Shouldn’t any decent CEO want his workers to be paid more?

No. That would cut into the profits of the company and the shareholder dividends.

It’s not the wealth of the few that’s the problem. It’s the ratio of their wealth to that of everyone else. In other words, that people are hoarding it for themselves instead of sharing it.

How much do you earn, molgrips?

If it’s more than me, howsabout just giving me some of it, then?

I’m fairly sure that is not how jealousy socialism jealousy works

Them have got it and I haven’t – how can that be fair, just because they are cleverer, took more risks, invested more, were luckier than me.

If it’s more than me, howsabout just giving me some of it, then?

Depends – how much do you earn?

If it’s a pittance, then I already do. But that’s pretty facetious, and an argument in favour of higher taxation and spending rather than this particular policy.

Point is that if a company does well, then everyone’s contributed. So maybe they all deserve a part of the success?

Them have got it and I haven’t – how can that be fair, just because they are cleverer, took more risks, invested more, were luckier than me.

All of the above are down to luck (mainly genetics combined with parenting/schooling/inheritance etc,.)

Difficult to stop one person being luckier than another but the rewards for that luck should not be so great.
(And no jealousy here, I earn a good wage but openly admit it is more luck than anything else – it is being able to admit it that comes with maturity although some people never can bring themselves to it)

Point is that if a company does well, then everyone’s contributed. So maybe they all deserve a part of the success?

COMMUNIST!!!!!

I’m not saying (and neither is Jez) that people can’t be rich.

Just that it’s a bit off when people hoard tons of it and don’t share it. Don’t we teach our kids the same thing?

Just that it’s a bit off when people hoard tons of it and don’t share it.

Scrooge McDuck isn’t real. They don’t actually sit on a big pile of gold coins. Rich people invest their money in coke, hookers and.. business opportunities. They fund the businesses that we work for.

or example, if you don’t agree that inequality needs managing, surely that’s the important thing to focus on, not all the guff you posted above.

Alex I have posted on this. Raise minimum wage / living wage. Address GIG economy undermining wages and employment rights for example.

@molgrips wealth inequality is driven by house prices in the South East. It’s not about “hoarding money” IMO.

Why has the rest of the country not responded better to the move to services from manufacturing ? We do have a problem with lack of regional diversification. Because state employers are so important outside the SE when the state’s finances suffer its more noticable outside the SE. As a good MTB mate of mine said in his city in Dorset the prison and hospital are the dominant employers.

Nice to see a clear concise reaction to TM’s statement on Brexit from the glorious leader

Like they’d asked a particularly befuddled old bloke in a retirement home for the terminally bewildered what he thought about it…

Poor old Emily Thornbury on Channel 4 news now (in Jezzas customary absence) trying to explain labours position, when there clearly isn’t one. Or there are several different ones, daily

Did he have dandruff on his shoulder (Sky interview) ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/821359347015950336

Lady Nugee crashed hard on C4 news just now. Floundering.

Crap – don’t have access to a TV at the moment, but I do love watching her make a fool of herself.

To summarise:

“What is the Labour Party’s policy on Brexit?”

“Sorry, but I haven’t got a clue”

“What is the stance of the Labour Party to today’s statement then?”

“Nope…. sorry…. no idea on that either….”

Repeat to fade….

Nice to see a clear concise reaction to TM’s statement on Brexit from the glorious leader

Like they’d asked a particularly befuddled old bloke in a retirement home for the terminally bewildered what he thought about it…

Yes, he should have been f***ing incandescent, but instead he’s like some old fart in the library that can’t find his flat cap.

He’s been on twatter and sounded slightly vexed

“What is the Labour Party’s policy on Brexit?”

“Sorry, but I haven’t got a clue”

“What is the stance of the Labour Party to today’s statement then?”

“Nope…. sorry…. no idea on that either….”

Repeat to fade….

Tell me that there was weapons grade arrogance and a toxic level of smugness…

Actually, you don’t need to, I *know* there was – she is incapable of anything else.

For someone with absolutely nothing to say, she did seem quite pleased with herself

Aye, right and “the war has not necessarily developed to Japan’s advantage” if we are doing proper understatement. 🙂

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Voice_Broadcast

🙂 thanks every day is a school day, had never heard that before …

@molgrips wealth inequality is driven by house prices in the South East

You wot?

Are you saying that people are only getting richer becauses their houses are appreciating? You realise that for prices to go up people have to have the money to buy them at those higher prices…. So the house prices follow the wealth not the other way round.

Leveraged bet in a rising market, you take your income advantage say thats 50% and then multIply that by 5 times. Add in foreign demand for London property and ripple out effect … keep doing that for 10 or 20 years and the numbers get big very quickly. I know many people with same job as me who chose to raise fheir families in central London and as a result have substantially higher net worth. All due to property out performance vs Surrey never mind further afield. Peckham has gone up 90% in 5 years.

IMO the main issue to address is rampant tax avoidance by companies (Facebook included) and unless we get a grip on the GIG economy soon it’s going to suck billions out of HMRC. Salary caps are a daft idea. People can get paid what they want focus on taxing them and deal with the massive corporate loopholes.

Absolutely hopeless, and hapless at PMQ’s yet again. Swatted aside by the Maybot.

On the whole Brexit issue he does seem to have taken the same role as during the referendum…. that of a disengaged and disinterested observer. Like its happening to other people in another country, and not really something he should be concerning himself with

The role of a backbencher?

The poor Lab lady on the daily politics gets roasted by A Neil. It’s rather sad and desperate now.

They’re discussing it on Five Live at the moment. Apparently the new cabinet …. you know the one that replaced the last one (the Blairites and traitors who had resigned en masse)? The shiny new one made up of Corbynite loyalists and friendly lefties…..?

Well apparently they are also now heartily sick of the glorious leaders endless procrastination, meetings that go on for days with no resolution, the total failure to be able to make a decision on policy, and just being absolutely useless.

More walkouts expected soon.

Not that it’ll make a blind bit difference, of course. As we are constantly reminded on this thread, all that matters is his ‘Mandate’ from ‘The Membership’….

He sounded OK in the breif excerpts on WATO. May finished with an attack on his leadership which I’m sure is a seam worth mining.

“BBC Trust says Laura Kuenssberg report on Corbyn was inaccurate”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/18/bbc-trust-says-laura-kuenssberg-report-on-jeremy-corbyn-was-inaccurate-labour