Jeremy Corbyn

Council elections going well yesterday

Gade Valley (Three Rivers) result:
LDEM: 60.9% (+24.0)
CON: 19.1% (-22.9)
LAB: 11.6% (-9.6)
UKIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
GRN: 1.8% (+1.8)

and in brexit heartland…..

Sandhill (Sunderland) result:
LDEM: 45.0% (+41.5)
LAB: 25.0% (-29.9)
UKIP: 18.7% (-7.2)
CON: 10.0% (-5.7)
GRN: 1.3% (+1.3)

There’s a bit more to that Sunderland story: the Labour councillor was sacked because she didn’t turn up to any meetings for six months…

‘well the old boy has taken to twatter to remind everyone of Theresa’s six monts in power and her poor track record. while in office. So given that, shall we have a little look at the polls…..how far is Jezza in the lead now?

‘well the old boy has taken to twatter to remind everyone of Theresa’s six monts in power and her poor track record. while in office. So given that, shall we have a little look at the polls…..how far is Jezza in the lead now?

Yes, it’s much better if the leader of the opposition says nothing about the PM’s record.

On the contrary we need a Leader of HM Oppo that can hold the givernment to account. This one can’t.

I would be a bit embarrassed listing all those cock-ups and them realising that despite all that people think tha you are still crap. How bad does Thereas have to be, before the old boy resonates with voters?

TMH well 372 have re-Tweeted his rant, it’s a people’s revolution don’t you know. All 372 of them.

dazh Corbyn has never worked with the PLP, he’s pretty much always been against (eg 500 votes against his own party, never held a senior Westminster post). The “membership” elected an outsider who doesn’t work work with his own party and who has no leadership skills. Actually that is all that matters right now.

Better than the people who stood against him in the leadership election.

Also Jamba he voted aginst Iraq, tuition fees, PFIs etc which in the eyes of most is a GOOD thing.He can say he’s against further privatisation of the NHS and his voting record confirms it, who else in Labour can can say that?

Ages to the G.E. plenty can happen but I fear it will be a vote on Brexit and nowt else. Labour can’t win that election, his rebranding (on paper before it happened!) would have been a step in the right direction.

Iraq vote issue is killing Labour. Need to move on. The Labour party was not elected on a “pacifist” mandate. Also Labour need to understand that inaction in Syria contributed to an additional 200,000 (?) deaths and Assad turning out to to be the victor. Inaction costs lives. No NATO troops in Eastern Europe = more annexation by Russia ?

In my view Brexit will NOT be a issue at the 2020 GE. It will be done and dusted, old news. Focus will be on which party will do the best job of signing new trade deals and focusing the UK more globally. Just my view

Looks like it’s going to be Paul Nuttall fighting the Stoke seat for UKIP. The city that most resoundingly voted out in the U.K. That’s going to be interesting, to say the least.

There’s a labour minister on channel 4 news, stuttering and stalling trying (and failing) to explain what labours policy on immigration and Brexit actually is. Paul Nuttall doesn’t seem in much doubt about his.

So if Stoke goes UKIP, and Copeland goes Tory, what then for Jezza?

Though I think we all already know the answer to that.

Nothing at all. Just another day in lefty la la land

Getting involved in Syria would have made no difference or made things worse unless we supported Assad to get where we are now quicker. Proxy war against Russia?

So if Stoke goes UKIP, and Copeland goes Tory, what then for Jezza?

Though traitors scoff and coward’s lear
He’ll keep the Red Flag flying here

Resignations are more damaging than these by-elections imo

Based on what I have seen and a gut feel Baroness Shakrabati is setting herself up to be the next leader. Corbyn may even stand aside for her, comfortable London by-election even ? The irony of an unelected peer leading Labour would turn the dial to 11

Now of course it could be totally partisan but Telegragph is reporting that a number of Labour MPs are planning to resign this year and are deliberately timing their resignations so there is a steady stream. By-election after by-election.

Based on what I have seen and a gut feel Baroness Shakrabati is setting herself up to be the next leader.

WTF are you talking about? It’s pretty hilarious that you speak with such certainty as if everything you say was a cast-iron fact and then come out with rubbish like this.

Also Jamba he voted against Iraq, tuition fees, PFIs etc which in the eyes of most is a GOOD thing

Exactly, he’s proved to be on the right side of most of these issues, and also public opinion, so trying to paint this as disloyal is pretty silly. If his opponents are trying to use his past rebellions as a justification for their own, then they need to demonstrate that they’re on the right side of the argument, and on most of the flagship Corbyn policies they can’t as he has overwhelming support within the party on these issues and broad public support.

I dont think there is much disagreement that the PLP is doing an orchestrated campaign to get rid of him and what is worse is that they have decided to not use the ballot box/democracy and they are preared to kill the party to get to the leader. Still that is all Corbyns fault isnt it
Would the abilities be so so charitable if militants were doing this to an elected leader?
Its hard to defend or admire this

Watching JC’s speech at the moment. Lots of predictable soundbites about what is wrong but yet no actual policies.

that is so unlike other politicians who normally have such well crafted and detailed policies- has he said he has a pkan yet and it will be a great one :Wink:

One of the strange things about opposition is that if they come up with good policies the govt just steal them so they have to -whatever the hue- just oppose and spout aspirational pish to get votes

Light in detail full of hope – greenest ever government for example

they all do it – hell even the givt – I will get the best deal for the UK – superb what is that – as i said i will get the best deal for Britain – its ot in any sense an answer to a policy

Watching JC’s speech at the moment. Lots of predictable soundbites about what is wrong but yet no actual policies.

?

Raising Corporation Tax to pay for free higher education
Re-nationalising the Railways
Taking over failing social care homes.
Setting up of national and regional investment banks
Tariff free access to the single market.
Proper funding of local authorities

They all sound like policies to me. Maybe he should have said he wants ‘Red white and blue socialism’, or ‘Labour means labour’. Would that have been better?

With his organisational and leadership skills the railways and care homes would be in very safe hands.

Tariff fee access to Europe – easy and no conflict with FoM so no worries about the muddle there.

Lets watch the polls bounce over the weekend. Go Jezza, you are on a role.

who could have predicted that politically neutral THM was disparaging about Corbyn?

In breaking news i still dont like Tories

@dazh, they all came after i posted. He just took a very long time telling us all how unfair the world is before finally getting to some content.

‘Proper funding of local authorities’ is also not a policy. It could mean anything from 0%GDP and running everything from central govt to 90%GDP and localising everything.

Your immediate assessment proved remarkable accurate Andy.

This relaunch stuff is tricky isn’t it?

Still it’s not about the individual, good leaders surround themselves with smarter people with appropriate skills and know how to energise and motivate them……

Dazh how can saying I have a “gut feel” be presenting something as “cast iron fact”

A few thoughts

1) Raising Corporation Tax to pay for free higher education
2) Re-nationalising the Railways
3) Taking over failing social care homes.
4) Setting up of national and regional investment banks
5) Tariff free access to the single market.
6) Proper funding of local authorities

1) numbers won’t add up – see 6)
2) massive increase in govenrment spending, more strikes, higher fares (how else will investment be paid for unless its even more borrowing). Notion that “profits” will pay is ridiculous, look at numbers
3) another massive increase in costs and borrowing
4) German state owned investment banks where the worst European offenders in US subprime crises. A combination of state and bank is about the worst possible
5) not possible without freedom of movement (allegdly). See 1) if in the single market Corporations will move to Ireland to avoid higher taxes. In any case Corbyn can’t do anything about that as it’s the current Government who will decide. They may even deliver substantially tariff free access without the other freedoms which will help with tax avoidance issues.
6) Even more borrowing

All of this is classic Corbyn, the Government can pay for everything. Borrowing through the roof and the UK bust just like the Southern Europeans

.. and sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.

… and you end up with people queuing because there is a rumour that the shop might have toilet paper this week:

Based on what I have seen and a gut feel Baroness Shakrabati is setting herself up to be the next leader.

WTFare you talking about? It’s pretty hilarious that you speak with such certainty as if everything you say was a cast-iron fact and then come out with rubbish like this.

I agree everyone knows it’s going to be Lady Nugee

Raising Corporation Tax to pay for free higher education
Re-nationalising the Railways
Taking over failing social care homes.
Setting up of national and regional investment banks
Tariff free access to the single market.
Proper funding of local authorities

You missed out nationalising GPs and dentists, got to get the private sector out of the NHS

Now of course it could be totally partisan but Telegragph is reporting that a number of Labour MPs are planning to resign this year and are deliberately timing their resignations so there is a steady stream. By-election after by-election.

Got to say that my first thought when I say the recent chap going to the V&A (after the Sellafield one)) is that a lot of them don’t see a future as an MP at the next GE (whether its’ due to lack of votes or boundary changes I’ve no idea) so are getting out early – I don’t believe it’s to directly embarrass Corbin though.

they all came after i posted. He just took a very long time telling us all how unfair the world is before finally getting to some content.

So first you criticise for lack of policy detail, then when he provides some you criticise him for not delivering it fast enough? Also he’s the leader of a party which was founded to make the UK a fairer place, so it’s reasonable to expect he might talk about that at some point.

We have heard him say that a million times before (inequality ratioanle etc). He could cover what he needs too in 2 or 3 sentences. IMO he is used to preaching to the converted who turn up at rallies to have someone tell them what they already believe to be true. That way they feel good about themselves.

The Investment bank is £250bn of borrowing alone plus another £250bn in guarantees for the matching private loans. Isn’t it funny that PFI is derided but Corbyn and McDonnell expect half the money for their Investment Bank to come from the private sector. Oopps.

Form a response on Jezza’s Twatter

Stella Creasy to Paul Mason: “It’s nice to come to a Labour conference and hear a Marxist approach. And by that I mean Groucho.” #Fab17

Mason has lost the lot post Newsnight

🙂

Mason has lost the lot post Newsnight

When was he on, did watch last week ? Clips I saw of QT he was his usual self.

QT this week – he was crap. I “understand” that he was a stand-in for Owen Jones today at Jezza’s conference.

I can’t see that. After initially being a supporter, Owen Jones has had nothing to do with ‘the revolution’ for quite some time.

He’s been the subject of prolific and vitriolic abuse from the Momentum mob for having the affrontery to point out that the emperor’s not actually wearing any clothes

I read it this morning binners, can’t recall where and watching rugby now. Will try and find link later.

I am sure it’s a small thing now despite being a big thing crowed over and lambasted a few days ago in this thread, but somewhat awkwardly according to the Indy, even 47% of tories are supporting the ludicrous idea of capping maximum wages at 20x the least paid person in large companies with government contracts.

When will this madman come up with an idea that is popular with voters, eh?

As for strengthening the social/residential/nursing care sector instead of denying the crisis and then blaming GP’s, that sort of policy idea will never take off with doctors who have nothing to gain from it. Oh, except it is just what they are asking for too. Honestly, you couldn’t make it up…

Capping wages? Nice idea.

Now, about your curtain allowance. Oh, and your monthly shirt allowance. Etc.

Unworkable.

And yet however unworkable this insane idea is strangely popular. Even with conservative voters.
This wouldn’t be the first unworkable idea on either team to gain traction. We are reminded that we need policies and these policies need to be vote winners first and foremost. We know from many elections experience, and increasingly these days that workable policies don’t win elections on their own. Popular ones do though.

Now, about your curtain allowance. Oh, and your monthly shirt allowance. Etc.

So the response to an idea that has massive support is that the rich are so good at working their way around the system that there’s no point in trying? Obviously the proles should just bloody know their place. It’s such a ridiculous justification that it beggars belief.

QT this week – he was crap.

And yet judging from the applause he received from the audience his views seemed to be the most popular of anyone on the panel. I often despair at QT audiences, but whether you like them or not they’re a bloody good barometer of public opinion, and one thing that’s clear is that populists/radicals on both sides of the spectrum are far more popular than those of the usual party drones.

@julian – capping wages to a multiple will lead to less tax revenue or more likely all the lower paid jobs being outsourced so they don’t count in the calculation.

Thought provoking blog/speech from Stella Casey at today’s Fabian Society Conference

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/stella-creasy/stella-creasy-fabian-society_b_14169866.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

It’s such a ridiculous justification

Wasn’t a justification, ridiculous or otherwise. Just an illustration of what would probably happen.

He’s just not a leader of a country. End of story.

Jamba, that’s not my point. In a sense I agree with you and cfh, humans are far too self interested to let a rule like this get in the way.
Like you my first idea for circumventing this was to subcontract out the lower paid jobs rather than bumping up salaries with ‘allowances’ (sorry Flashy!).

The point you are both missing or perhaps avoiding is that there are arguments about workability and arguments about electability or popularity. Here is yet another example of an idea that chimes with public opinion (even conservative voters who are 47% in favour, 13% undecided and 40% against) and yet the echo chamber of this thread insists the Labour Party led by JC has no ideas and no policy.

What a sad bunch you lot are!

Still arguing over somebody that will never/will ever lead the UK.

Move on! Show some progress! Be pro-active!