Im still fuming..Is it just me or are rodies a breed apart…arrogant??

@specialknees

My two biggest; shiniest teeth at the front of my mouth are false. They were kindly installed by a dentist after someone following me in a large chunk of metal decided that they had more right to the road than I did and then sideswiped me into a parked car when an oncoming car made him choose between a head on collision and hitting me. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he actually remembered I was there.

At the time; I was quite happy to keep to the side of the road and “do my bit” and allow people in cars to squeeze by. I’ve since learned that it is far more dangerous to do that than it is to hold a decent road position and prevent a car from passing unless there is a genuine ‘safe’ overtaking point.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect cyclists to come to a complete stop everytime they hold up a car; nor do I think it’s reasonable to expect them to squeeze into the gutter and let you past. Yet these seem to be exactly what you were hoping they would do. For you and presumably every car on the road.

Thread just over 24 hours old and still going strong.

Keep it up guys and I’m sure you can hit 500 posts by the end of the day – we’re all rooting for you.

4 miles people, 4 miles.
Christ so many of you think cyclists can do whatever they want.
I bet you jump red lights.

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggggghhh !!!!!!

Please make it stop !!!

13 Pages !!!!!

13 !!!!

Christ so many of you think cyclists can do whatever they want.

No; I think cyclists have a right to use the road without having to yield to cars at every opportunity.

I bet you jump red lights.

Nope; never. But then I live in the sticks where red lights are a novelty. 🙂

wonder why slow moving adults playing funtime on their bikes can hold cars up for miles and offer no reasonable answer why they didn’t pull in, when they could have done.

What makes the car driver’s time more important than the cyclists’?

When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments. Here was a machine of precision and balance for the convenience of man. And (unlike subsequent inventions for man’s convenience) the more he used it, the fitter his body became. Here, for once, was a product of man’s brain that was entirely beneficial to those who used it, and of no harm or irritation to others. Progress should have stopped when man invented the bicycle.

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4 miles people, 4 miles.

So maybe what, 5 minutes, probably less?

Christ so many of you think cyclists can do whatever they want.

I don’t think anyone has said anything like that.
Some people have just suggested that ten cyclists are not required to put themselves in danger to let one motorist pass them.

What makes the car driver’s time more important than the cyclists’?

Because the car driver was driving to ride his bike.

10 people are expected by Specialknees to pull over and inconvenience themselves for the benefit of 1, himself. And they are the arrogant ones? Yeah, ok then.

Epic, epic trolling. Bravo.

What makes the car driver’s time more important than the cyclists’?

No-one’s saying it is. But to pull over takes a few seconds, re-organising into more manageable groups takes no time if you agree it before heading onto that bit of road; versus 7 minutes of the driver’s time.

A few seconds of your time to save minutes of someone else’s is common courtesy, NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO’S DRIVING/RIDING WHAT VEHICLE.

For my argument, all you have to do is ignore the modes of transport and just consider people.

As someone has already said above, if cyclists are expected to stop/pull over every time a car come up behind them then they’ll be making no progress at all.

anyone posted up the actual section of road this took place on?

if cyclists are expected to stop/pull over every time a car come up behind them then they’ll be making no progress at all

Again, that’s not what anyone’s saying.

anyone posted up the actual section of road this took place on?

No, there’s some sort of protecting the innocent clause preventing that information being disclosed.

This thread does everything (again) to reinforce the negative stereotype of the typical STW forumite.

Miserable bunch of anti-cycling, Audi driving, trial centre riding biffers.

Sad.

anyone posted up the actual section of road this took place on?

It’s top secret, to protect the innocent hide the fact it’s only 400 yards long with nowhere to pull over.

I’ve had 19 cups of tea and 11 packets of Digestives whilst reading this thread.. I feel sick now, I may Vom.

Isn’t it all just the same old, same old….same old…

Story.

Wow – just how many times can the same argument be circulated with no concensus or conclusion.

I’ve an idea! How about the OP meets the Roadies in the pub and we all agree to go out and retrace the route on Sunday and see what we all think.

Might be good for another 13 pages………

most had some sort of team kit on

no one has pointed out that its club kit.

Also if you were behind the club for so long and you have healthy eyes why did you not get the clubs email and then email the club to complain?

Happens all the time in my club. we just laugh abouut it and then screw over some one elses driving day 😆 😆 😆

[edit] tongue in cheek for the last part [/edit]

re-organising into more manageable groups takes no time if you agree it before heading onto that bit of road

And what about the point that splitting up into pairs would mean the driver now has to make five overtakes on a hazardous stretch of road?

I’ve an idea! How about the OP meets the Roadies in the pub and we all agree to go out and retrace the tout on Sunday and see what we all think.

If the OP goes to the pub I demand he takes a printout of this thread with him 😀

And videos it all too…

And what about the point that splitting up into pairs would mean the driver now has to make five overtakes on a hazardous stretch of road?

It’s a fair one. Personally I wouldn’t take a group down a road that bad, for that exact reason. If I found myself on one accidentally I’d argue for the group to break up into single riders to allow cars to negotiate when they could safely. I certainly would not block the road for 8 minutes.

Nice one Graham
I will take some Bombers, just in case. 😀
Team kit didnt mean anything to me at the time, didnt recognise it. But now know its a fairly local club. The club is a good club, does a lot for youth cycling in the local area. A good friend has done some coaching (MTB) for them in the past. I donated some bits and bobs when they had an auction recently, Marz Bombers were part of my donation strangelly enough.! As I said this isnt a witch hunt but I will let you know the outcome of Thursday.
Will have to get the first blow in as they may come packed. 🙂 🙂

You’re missing the point.

The cyclists have as much right to be on the road (any road) as the car driver.

They did not block the road, they are traffic.

If it is not safe to overtake then the vehicle behind does not overtake, whether it is a bike, horse, ped or another car.

All this insistence on courtesy does not reflect the real-life experience of being on the road, in any vehicle.

As numerous people have said it is likely to be less safe to split than it is to stay together and the OPs least controversial stopping place is a death trap.

Matt

How about the OP meets the Roadies in the pub and we all agree to go out and retrace the route on Sunday and see what we all think.

Great! Can we all wear out new bargain £15 Endura STW jerseys for that ‘matching team kit’ look? Then any owners of a combustion engine who get stuck behind us knows what forum to complain on.

No-one’s saying it is. But to pull over takes a few seconds, re-organising into more manageable groups takes no time if you agree it before heading onto that bit of road; versus 7 minutes of the driver’s time.

I guess you didn’t read the OP about the road not being wide enough for two cars plus a bike?

+1 Butcher

I ride both MTB, and with a club on the road, and proud of it!

The OP makes a point that considers himself and his schedule to be of more importance than the roadies at the time. He must get past because he is in a car…All road users have equal rights, they were ahead.

Druidh said:
if cyclists are expected to stop/pull over every time a car come up behind them then they’ll be making no progress at all

molgrips said:
Again, that’s not what anyone’s saying.

But we are talking about one car getting held up here, the OPs, if they should pull over for this one car, then why not by extension every car. You’d never get anywhere.

And what about the point that splitting up into pairs would mean the driver now has to make five overtakes on a hazardous stretch of road?

If the road is too hazardous to pass, they shouldn’t pass. So the point is irrelevant.

If I pass into a gap between you and your mate in front, just pretend I’m the team-car and draft me. But don’t expect me to hand you a bidon 😉

road not being wide enough for two cars plus a bike?

if its wide enough for two cars then surely you had enough space to overtake? You don’t go round a car when there is an on coming car so just wait for there to not be an on coming car and go round. You sir are a sissy lurking driver and a massive troll.

I know we haven’t identified the club yet, but I have a really urge to have a pint in this pub on Thursday.

Matt

I’d argue for the group to break up into single riders to allow cars to negotiate when they could safely

Eh?? Then cars would need to make TEN separate overtakes on a road the OP didn’t feel comfortable making ONE on.

Seems fairly likely that would actually hold up cars for a lot longer overall, though granted the drivers might feel slightly happier as they’d have the illusion of making progress.

I don’t quite see how so many of you have changed specialknees into toad of toad hall. It is possible for cyclists to be arrogant too you know.

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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
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Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.

Posted again for fun. It’s 2012 and even in club kit lycra and carbon, you are a slow moving vehicle.

Then cars would need to make TEN separate overtakes on a road the OP didn’t feel comfortable making ONE on

I dunno, there could have been innumerable single cyclist opportunities in four miles, but no peleton overtaking ones.

‘Long queue of traffic’ do we know if one existed?

Matt

@ooOOoo

He wasn’t trying to overtake (as in performing an overtaking manoeuvre) so no reason to “slow down if necessary”

Also; I don’t believe he was claiming to be the lead car of a long queue of traffic.

Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.

One car does not qualify as a “long queue of traffic” and they DID “pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass”.

So I’m not sure what your point is.

Wait, weren’t these points made on page 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 and 13?

I dunno, there could have been innumerable single cyclist opportunities in four miles, but no peleton overtaking ones.

Unless the OP has a particularly awful car, the difference between overtaking one bike (properly) versus 5 riding two-abreast should be a matter of seconds.