If you're thinking of winter car tyres…

How the **** does a post on winter tyres reach 5 pages???? WTF

thats on snow. I’m regularly told that in any conditions below 7 degs winter tyres are better.

They are on anything but perfectly dry roads; http://www.btmauk.com/data/files/Why%20fit%20winter%20tyres%2030%20May%202012.pdf

peterfile – you’ve just passed your test recently. So shut it. 😀

mmannerr – why would anyone do a full on ABS stop in any conditions never minds snow or a wet road with lots of standing water on it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elP_34ltdWI

thats on snow, i’m well aware winter tyres will be better on snow.

I’m regularly told that in any conditions below 7 degs winter tyres are better.

If you watch the whole video you will see they test on wet roads too.

Good to see that Glupton was speakin pish! I think I will believe that video by Auto Car rather than some internet forum driving god!

Facts winter tyres are better on snow and ice. They are also better in the wet below 7 degrees.

Interesting how people can’t be bothered wasting time changing a set of tyres yet will lose half a day trying to convince the world how awesome they are. Just sayin’.

growinglad – Member
How the **** does a post on winter tyres reach 5 pages???? WTF

It’s good to have good intercourse on a subject. Discount the more extreme comments and the ridiculous “if you haven’t whatever you can’t have an opinion” comments and it has been a good debate. I certainly learn from a lot of the posts, whether tips on safer driving or learning who to keep out of the way of on the road 😯

peterfile – you’ve just passed your test recently. So shut it.

Indeed. I fitted winters in November, noob mistake? 😉 Managed to get my RWD comfortably over Bealach na Ba at Xmas. Road wasn’t too bad but I wouldn’t have attempted it with summers on.

What a road though!!!! 🙂

other surfaces winter tires excel on .

mud

grassyfields (our transit went from unmovable on wet grass to not only movable but drivable and even ability to tow things instead of having to unhitch and push the thing out.)

cultsdave – do you know about the wet grip rating on tyres? A is best wet grip G is worst, (but G and D arent used on passenger cars) There is an 18m difference in stopping distance in the wet between A and G rated tyres at 80kph. Most good quality summer tyres are A or B rated, most winter tyres are E rated. Even if the temperature is low enough to mean that the performance of the summer tyres deteriorates they would still need to deteriorate a lot before they were worse than the winter tyres.

seba560 – Member
Interesting how people can’t be bothered spending what for some is a month’s wages and wasting time changing a set of tyres yet will lose half a day trying to convince the world how awesome they are. Just sayin’.

😉

spending what for some is a month’s wages

🙂
How does that work? You do know that you can take the summer tyres off, don’t you?

Did you watch the video? The evidence is there for you.
Have you used winter tyres?

Will the garage give you the winter tyres then when you take off the normal tyres?

(I know, it balances out over the lifetime of two sets of tyres…)

psling – Member
It’s good to have good intercourse.

We could/should just end it there.

There is an 18m difference in stopping distance in the wet between A and G rated tyres at 80kph.

I’d take those figures with a pinch of salt.

The labeling protocol stipulates that winter tyres tests should be performed at temperatures between + 2° and + 20 °

Considering winters are optimised for temperatures lower than 7, it’s not exactly a fair test.

Even if the temperature is low enough to mean that the performance of the summer tyres deteriorates they would still need to deteriorate a lot before they were worse than the winter tyres.

From the link I posted above; from 62mph at 5°C stopping distance for winter tyres = 65.7m summer tyres 70.5m QED?

The testing legislation for tyre labelling is worth a read:

3.3 Both the wetted surface temperature and the ambient temperature shall be between 2 °C and 20 °C for snow tyres and 5 °C and 35 °C for normal tyres.

Hardly a fair test at all!!!

Eur Lex

From the link I posted above; from 62mph at 5°C stopping distance for winter tyres = 65.7m summer tyres 70.5m QED?

well that depends. what if they tested a good winter tyre and a rubbish summer tyre?

and I assume thats the average. what was the variability of the stopping distances. I’m sure they did it more than once…

A month’s wages on tyres? Mine were £90 a corner.

Yeah but you drive a milk float, they don’t have to have a fast speed rating for your car.

Spent Monday driving through the Jura, ace roads made easier with a set of Michelin Aglis Alpine tyres. 600 miles on the snow over the last 2 days.

As far as breaking downhill goes, we were instructed to lock the wheels if the vehicle started descending too quickly as this built a wedge of snow in front of the tyres and increased the braking significantly, it works.
Useless on ice of course and if you have anti-lock brakes that cannot be turned off. (advice from a Plod advanced instructor)

if you have anti-lock brakes that cannot be turned off.

can you get ABS that can be turned off?

Perhaps they are confused – you can normally switch off Traction control (which can be a PITA in snow and ice).

You can turn off my ABS (and every other bit of assistance the car normally gives) by putting it into “dyno mode”

Not for the fainthearted though!!!! 🙂 (empty car parks only!)

Yeah but you drive a milk float, they don’t have to have a fast speed rating for your car.

My milk float does 108mph, the other does 130mph. Both have H rated winter tyres cos that’s what was cheap.

A month’s wages on tyres? Mine were £90 a corner

So a set of winter would be £360 and a set of summers about the same. Not everyone can afford to shell out £720 on tyres, even if, being two sets, they will last twice as long.
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Also, I take roger’s point, I really detest ABS, it’s great on loose gravel, but terrible in the snow. My last two cars have had it and I hate it, my first 4 didn’t and they were much better. Trouble is it’s so hard to get a car without nowadays. THen it breaks and have o spend lots fixing something I don’t like just to get it through the MOT and I can’t deactivate it because my insurance company would go nuts.
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Why all this fuss over car tyres anyway? I have many different ones for the bike, Racing Ralphs, Nobby Nics, Fire XC Muds, Twisters, SpeedKings, MKs, Advantage, , Minions, slicks and swap them about all the time depending on where I will be riding and what the ground will be like, I expect most of you do the same. Why are car tyres different? Right tyres for the job!

My milk float does 108mph, the other does 130mph. Both have H rated winter tyres cos that’s what was cheap.

Don’t bite 🙂

BTW, a set of winters for mine costs £1248 – not quite a month’s wages but more than I would like to spend.

trail_rat – Member
other surfaces winter tires excel on .

mud

grassyfields (our transit went from unmovable on wet grass to not only movable but drivable and even ability to tow things instead of having to unhitch and push the thing out.)

amen to that. You do have to watch you don’t get carried away though wnd end up somewhere even a landrover can’t get you out 😀

Anyway…all this arguing over if they are needed or not or if someone is a driving God etc etc…

at the end of the day unless you are a bit silly and have them swapped around on the same wheels then winter tyres don’t really have to cost you much/any extra if you keep the car for a good few years.

For anyone thinking about getting them and wondering if there is a substantial difference then YES THERE IS.

BTW, a set of winters for mine costs £1248 – not quite a month’s wages but more than I would like to spend

Is that through a dealership?

My Wintrac Xtreme’s were about £120 a corner, but Mercedes quoted me £110 a corner for a tyre i could get online for £48!

winter tyres don’t really have to cost you much/any extra if you keep the car for a good few years

Total, no. Up-front yes.
EG. Set of tyres is £500 and lasts one year.
Jan, need new tyres so buy winters, £500.
March, buy summer tyres, £500. Winters only 1/4 worn, put winters in shed.
Oct take winters of shed and refit, summers only 1/2 worn.
By the end of Dec you have two 1/2 worn sets which cost £1000 total, rather than 1 set of completely worn whcih had cost £500.
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By the end of March you have paid out £1000 in tyres rather than £500. Yes, you have two sets so total tyre cost is no greater but not everyone could find that extra £500 there and then, some (most?) would need the year’s life of the tyres to save for the next set.

Is that through a dealership?

Nope – Black Circles.

But to be honest, we are considering fitting them to the family car as we will be keeping it for a few years yet so they could be worth the extra hassle.

Lads, laaaads… ^^ 6 pages ^^

Take a loooong haaaard loooook at yourselves..

Dear God 😆

Here’s a thought to help you make your mind up. Winter tyres are worse in summer than summer tyres are in winter. Have folk thought if these newfangled all-season tyres? Might actually be the best option for the road conditions we encounter.

Lads, laaaads… ^^ 6 pages ^^

Take a loooong haaaard loooook at yourselves..

Dear God

This +1

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/bad-drivers-blamed-for-3-5m-damage-bill-of-snowmageddon-weekend-104830873.html

Lads, laaaads… ^^ 6 pages ^^

Take a loooong haaaard loooook at yourselves..

Dear God

This +1

+2.
Is that 7 pages now? Is it? Is it?

No 🙁

Have we passed ..

Wunundred yet?? 😆 😯 😆