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Brilliant idea! Who?

listen, do we have to do *everything* for you ? One might suppose you should look for a plump gentleman (like "Pie in the Sky" Richard Griffiths) for the best results if your dungeon can cope with such powerfully built individuals...

Oooh Simon, should I put a "wanted" ad in the Classifieds then? Oh and who's been gossiping about my dungeon then? 😉

if he wasn't busy wringing his hands over fruit classification data, sfb could cook you some meals lacking in sufficient protein...

should I put a "wanted" ad in the Classifieds then?

"WANTED: Sizeable gourmet gentleman for extensive culinary and bondage duties, with a reasonable prospect of eventual release once the dominatrix has reached the required weight and slaked her unnatural desires"

Oh and who's been gossiping about my dungeon then?

it was pure intuition...

Just checked the beans. Amazing !, they're starting to grow !

Canellini are winning so far. Pinto beans don't appear to doing much, so far...

Thirsty little beans !.

S

😆 @ sfb but I must correct you on a couple of points! Dominatrix? Nah, I'm a pussycat in real life, ask any Southerner 😉 Unnatural desires? Really??!!

Unnatural desires? Really??!!

well, you [b]would[/b] say that innit ?

well, you would say that innit ?

Ha ha!

[i]Slight problem - I don't do cooking. [/i]

CG... what do you eat then ?!?

Kev

Well. Got up this morning and the thirsty little beans I'd topped up last night, still had water covering them, so all good.
Thanks iDave 😉

Then I rinsed using the strainer, under running cold water

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Then, into the pan for a boil-up

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Got a bit bubbly on the surface, so occassionally skimmed that off using a spoon.

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once bioled up, left to drain and then put into a kilner jar for later.

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Always follow the preparation instructions on the packaging of the beans.

Easy !

🙂

The plan for these is dressed beans with tuna

The recipe is to feed 4, so adjust the numbers as you wish:
100g dried canellini beans
100g dried borlotti beans (I couldn't get these so have used pinto beans)
Olive Oil
1 red onion, peeled and finely sliced
4 Anchovy fillets (I'm not an Anchovy fan, so I'll try this, without)
1-2 fresh red chillies, de-seeded and finely chopped ( I leave some seeds in sometimes as I like the heat)
freshly ground balck pepper, maybe just a pinch of salt
4 x 225g tuna steaks about 1cm thick
zest and juice of 2 lemons
mixed herbs (chives, chervil, basil parsley, mint, whatever you think will go with this. Chopped.

This is principally a JO recipe.

Do the tuna as you like it, I grill mine.
use the oil, onion, chilli, etc to create the dressing
dress the beans, mix the dressed beans with the herbs
Thats your dressed beans and tuna !.

S

mm sounds excellent, i haven't got around to tuna steaks yet!? god knows why but this is why this thread is ace, tuna steaks for tea now! 😀

CG... what do you eat then ?!?

cereals, pitta bread, crumpets, pasta with bought-in sauce, salads, fruit, cake, cheese, biscuits, bread in all its delightful variations, raw porridge oats - I've survived decades unscathed with no more than occasional heating of things 🙂

[edit] also takeaways and eating out :o)

Dressd beans

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With the tuna

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Enjoy the weather !

Polite request: suggestions please for breakfast. Am not sure I can give up my beloved porridge but certainly couldn't face meat instead! Would prefer to avoid eggs as they tend to be eaten for lunch.

Have bought some tinned beans, presumably they are not as nice as the dried ones?

Oh, before I forget, one for iDave: presumably dried fruit is forbidden fruit?

Very impressive to see all these people busy in the kitchen. 🙂 Some tasty looking menus!

i have just eaten half a roast chicken, with carrots cabbage leeks and broccoli..........all from the father in laws allotment.

presumably they are not as nice as the dried ones?

they might actually be fresher - and drying is unlikely to improve the flavour

oh and chilli and lemons are fruit too...

ton - you didn't really eat half a chicken did you??!! Bet that veg was delicious 🙂

Simon - I don't eat beans so was hoping that the knowledgable STW folk would enlighten me. Don't eat chilli so no loss there!

Ton. Thats a top effort 🙂

Solo

cg.........yes. skin removed mind.
veg was delicious.
he has recently retired and has gone mad, we never have to buy veg/most salad stuff now.
😀

I don't eat beans so was hoping that the knowledgable STW folk would enlighten me

well, I think it's reasonable to suppose the goodness scale goes: fresh / tinned / dried for most foods, though beans are able to survive drying and still germinate so not a lot is lost...

Hello everyone,

It's good to see you are all still going strong and so many have joined in. I'm still doing fine, I had my normal food day on Sat but am enjoying the new recipes quite a bit. I have exercised 5 days this week but nothing too hard and not felt week or tired. Though I have missed sweet things or the occasional cold fizzy drink and have felt the odd dip due to these. I have lost some body fat so it is going in the right direction but due to the exercises I don't appear to have lost any muscle.

cinnamon_girl,
I've been eating salads for breakfast (I did before the diet though). They are very refreshing and healthy and good to help you rehydrated too. If you want something a bit more substantial just sprinkle over some beans, nuts and seeds or flavoured chick peas. If you hate the idea of meat or eggs, what about fish or prawns, though a poached egg goes rather well?

Well done all those keeping at it and good luck to those planning to start.

I just started today, can't see me doing 3 weeks. Had scrabbled eggs and ham. Going to see if I can get some more imaginative menus.

Just had the spinach omlette (with chopped up veggie sasuage)

Roper.

Good one, sounds like you're well on track.
🙂

S

BB.

How did it work out with the bean prep ?.

Mine went fine. I made just a small batch for the pics ^^^ but will make more, soon.

Solo

Starting today after a weekend pig out 🙂

Just had nuts and coffee on the way to work, and am now going for a couple of poached eggs and some sausage yum yum. Then veggie omlette at lunch. Tonight is bean prep as they have been soaking overnight. But I found large tins of tuna and bean salad that dont look too toxic, so Im having one of those and some salad tonight. Weighed in this morning at 129.5 kg, so long way to go. 6'2" and stocky built, but more fat than muscle these days. Decided enough was enough, and this eating plan came along at the right time for me, so need to get on with it now.

I think it's reasonable to suppose the goodness scale goes: fresh / tinned / dried for most foods

All depends on which product and how it has been stored, transported and processed.
For legumes tinned is worse than dried as the beans will have been preblanched, pasteurised then added to some gloopy salt/sugar mix for the tinning.

Anyway, that's enough of the hairy twigman....

.....end of week one, no problems with menu - seem to have adapted pretty quick to the plan.
Weight loss: some but not really much to lose
Energy levels: seem to have swapped some speed for endurance, certainly takes a few more miles that ususal to get 'into' my ride, but then it's been bastid hot and that's probably had an effect.
Do feel more level throughout the day, no more post lunch slump 🙂
General 'feel': pretty good, the 'eat what you like day' is good, thinking more about what you eat is good, less sugar is good, chuckling at the AW posts is good - it's all good 😀

first post on this, but I started on this last Thursday- I've put on 18 pounds this year, 6 of them in the last 3 weeks, so was a bit concerned!
I've lost 6 pounds, apparently, according to the scales this morning, first time I've weighed myself since starting. While this is a bit fast for my liking, a lot of it may be down to the end of a rash of eating out and drinking.
I've been eating the spinach and chorizo omelette for breakfast each morning, hummus and vegetables for lunch, and chicken/fish/steak with lettuce and bean salad for dinner. Restricted myself to water and coffee to drink.
I've noticed the omelette really helps to prevent midmorning snack cravings (i've never really done breakfast before). Totally removing potatoes, cheese and bread from my diet, all of which I used to eat in fairly large quantities can't be doing any harm either.
I do feel better for this as well - three hours out on the bike yesterday with a couple of gels and bottles of water, and I still felt good.
Dave's simple instructions have made it quite easy to focus

Vinnyeh.

That sounds good, seems like you've cracked it.

[i]Dave's simple instructions have made it quite easy to focus[/i]

Thats the way I saw it.
🙂

What I didn't get was idave said lean meat which chorizo is not. I might try an omelette tomorrow.

I didn't understand that either, but wasn't complaining- I love the stuff. It's a pretty small amount though to flavour the omelette- I bought a whole chorizo, then slice up about an inch of it (20g) into half a dozen slices. Some of the fat probably comes out if you cook it prior to adding the eggs. 😉

What I didn't get was idave said lean meat which chorizo is not

"chouriço get their distinctive smokiness and deep red color from dried smoked red peppers" = fruit

I'm not doing the Chorizo and egg thing, so its not so much a question for me.

I've just been having 20g-30g of almond nuts in the morning and that sees me to lunchtime.

S

Hey all, so today is my 7th day so Im eating what I want but not going wild, mainly excited about eating weetabix for breakfast 😀

Anyway I've got a point to make which others maybe missed or maybe got hooked up on some of the "rules"

The whole idea about this plan is to force you to learn new meals, food groups and snacks that you'd probably neglected for an easier fattier option.

A week in it's apparent to me what I've been missing and pigging out on. I've learnt some great new meals that I'd happily eat weekly.

Dont get hooked up on using a bit of Chorizo or Lemon for seasoning... thats not the point, unless your using a handful of salt or butter then there is no problem there.

Its better for you guys to stick to this healthy lean diet than cheating and binge snacking rather than little treats or bends.

the rules arent rules they are guides that have worked for previous people.

personally my thoughts on it all summed up are

its very benefitial and helps you realise a lot about your eating habbits and greed levels
meals learnt will follow on into my daily lifestyle
much more aware of whats in products, better food education

I'm 11stone12 on the mark today when writing this, I started on 12stone5 7 days ago, the last few days ive been losing .02 / .04 a day, im guessing this is the hard point to lose weight because im 6 foot and quite within the average weight for height.

I'm baking up some homemade flapjack today and will be having a bar before doing road rides this week and still living how i have for the last week to see if exercise can help speed up the process.

It's different for everyone, its not always easy, but it is easy to become lazy... I think thats the lesson you need to teach yourselves... not just say yeah i know.. but to actually understand and appreciate it.

Cheers guys
Al

ps - i'll type up a section with all the good receipies and a starts shopping list to help anyone, maybe today or tomorrow

....starting today so lets see what happens.

I guess this is my new best friend as I can't be asked to cook beans properly....

30p at lidls

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, and am now going for a couple of poached eggs and some sausage

I thought the recommendation was just for lean meats/fish?

Started at the weekend, everything is going ok just miss my orange juice in the mornings. Went to ASDA yesterday and bough a load of nuts, carefully checking the contents and the Alergy advice of "May contain nuts). After throwing a handful of the peanut/cashew mix (with Sea Salt and Black Pepper) down my neck my wife pointed out i can't have them! At the bottom of the ingrediants "Dried Milk Powder" WTF is that doing in there?

Alexxx.

Good post mate 😀

Solo

Jamie - those beans are ace and save a load of hassle. I would also recommend the Nixe mackerel fillets from Lidl in sunflower oil (not so keen on the ones in tomato sauce!) and the mini salami (pack of 3) on special at the moment as an alternative to chorizo.

What is the word on olives BTW?

LOL @ rossendalemming and nuts. I did exactly the same with salted peanuts for the first 2 weeks as a protein snack before seeing that they weren't ideal! Didn't seem to do any harm though.

I'm near the end of week 4 on a similar eating plan and am very happy with results. Trousers are loose (used to be uncomfortably tight) and at this rate I'll soon get into that DeKerf top I haven't been able to wear for 5+ years without looking like the only gay in the village 🙂

@ Woody:

Which [s]diet[/s] lifestyle change are you doing then? Any other recommendations as off to Lidls in a bit 8) Going to stock up on some more beans....i think they may even be cheaper than 30p now i think about it. Going to get some almonds as well I think.

Woody, olives fine IIRC, its veg not fruit.

I like the beab salad idea, I've been making spicy lentils to accomapny meat rather than having rice / pototoes. If anyone wnat me to post a recipe for it let me know.

I might try something similar tonight with chick peas

It's Bodytrim [i]the weight loss secret[/i] by Geoff Jowett which appears to have the same broad principals as idaves (I haven't got idaves, could you ping me a copy so I can have a look please).

He has some interesting ideas, all of which make sense and really aren't very difficult to do. The hardest part for me has been eating at least every 3 hours, which is often difficult in my job, and [b]NO[/b] strenuous excercise for the 1st 4 weeks, with cycling not recommended - minimum 10,000 steps at walking pace is a requirement, which I have been able to combine with dog walking and slow pootles on the bike as I live virtually on the coast to coast cyle network.

I lost over a stone in the first 3 weeks despite the peanuts and a couple of 'mishaps' invloving cheddar cheese and plain chocolate digestives 😳

Reckon Olives are fine, imo

🙂

EDIT: Richmtb. Yes, if its not too much trouble, would like to learn about spicy lentils 😉

+1 for the spicy lentils.

Some good egg recipes here http://www.eggrecipes.co.uk/

What is the word on olives BTW?

olives are fruit but luckily you're allowed to eat the pips 🙂

olives fine IIRC, its veg not fruit.

if a tree is a vegetable and the thing containing its seeds is a leaf/stem/tuber...

For any new arrivals.

SFB is interferring, hes been proved to be typing cr4p.
Hes full of it.
Ignore him.

If you have the info, then do what you want, post Qs and suggestions here, if you want, too.

😉

Cheers

Solo

SFB is interferring, hes been proved to be typing cr4p.

proved ? Perhaps the power of [b]solo[/b] can make an olive into a vegetable ?

Alexxx,

Don't get hung up on the slowing of weight loss, dropping a bit every day is what you need.

Your initial higher level of loss will mainly be due to water loss, refined carbs tend to bulk in your digestive system and hold a lot of water.

Okay Spicy Lentils:
You will need:

125g red lentils
125g puy lentils (green lentils)
1/2 onion very finely chopped
2 garlic cloves finely chopped
2 red chillies finely chopped
Small piece of ginger- grated or finely chopped (I cheated and used ground ginger)
1 Plum tomato finely chopped (I know tomatoes are a no no but its a small amount)
Turmeric
Garam Masala
Vegetable or chicken stock cube.
Fresh coriander

Thoroughly rinse the lentils in cold water and place in a large pan. Add enough boiling water to cover the lentils plus about the same again, season the mixture (salt and pepper or a stock cube if you prefer) and add about 1/2 teaspoon of turmeric. Bring to the boil and then cover and simmer for 20-25 minutes (check the mixture regularly and add extra water if it looks like its getting too dry) Try not to over cook the lentils or they will end up with no texture, although they will still taste okay

In a small frying pan fry the onion in a teaspoon of oil, after about a minute add the garlic, when the onion and garlic has softened add the tomato, chillis and ginger. Fry for about five minutes on a high heat until the mixture is a dry paste.

Add the paste to the lentil mixture and mix well. Check for seasoning / flavour. If its a little bland add some salt and plenty of garam masala (you can use curry powder / chilli powder as well if you don't have garam masala). If the mixture has a good flavour then go easier on the spices.

Chop some coriander sprinkle on top of the lentils and serve

As much as it pains me to agree with sfb, olives are the fruit of the olive tree.

The internet sez so.

Olives may botanically be classed as a fruit, but olive oil is sold as a vegetable oil !!
For me a fruit's not a fruit unless you eat it with custard 😆

Olives = fruit.

So, this last week was mixed success on the traditional weight loss/training plan. Gained 500g 🙁 possibly due to having missed my big ride on Saturday and having a big family barbecue on Sunday. Ate a lot of salt though so that may be part of it.

Clothes are still feeling loose, and the riding's going really well - so not all bad 🙂

For me a fruit's not a fruit unless you eat it with custard

So none of my finest tomatoes in custard for you then!

HD - it's a vegetable oil since the word vegetable means from a plant. So I suppose that technically fruits are vegetable, but vegetables are not necessarily fruit.

refined carbs tend to bulk in your digestive system and hold a lot of water.

did you just make that up ?

Yeap, debating what is fruit is playing right into SFB's hands.

Great looking recipe for the lentils

Thanks Richmtb
😀

S

There's two sometimes conflicting sets of definitions:
Botanical, based on where the fruit/veegtable is formed on the plant and where the seeds are etc
Nutritional, based on the composition of the item.

I've always seen tomato and olive classed as vegetable wrt their nutritional values - horticulturists, botanists and wikipedists may beg to differ 😉

Yeap, debating what is fruit is playing right into SFB's hands

I'm not sure it can be debated, it's a matter of taxonomy, like the diffence between a bone and a muscle.

HD - it's a vegetable oil since the word vegetable means from a plant. So I suppose that technically fruits are vegetable, but vegetables are not necessarily fruit.

with oil it's to distinguish it from animal sources, and might better be called "plant" oil, however the negligent naming of oil does not supercede the biology

a) Botanical, based on where the fruit/veegtable is formed on the plant and where the seeds are etc
b) Nutritional, based on the composition of the item.

also I think (b) is newly created 🙂

also I think (b) is newly created

Certainly is, it reflects the modern ability to analyse things based on their chemical composition and not on what they look like.....

.....can only at laugh your proposal that 'being new' is a reason for an idea or concept to be invalid 😆 🙄 😆

[i]can only at laugh your proposal that 'being new' is a reason for an idea or concept to be invalid[/i]

That is soooooo spot on HillDodger !
8)

S

an idealogue

It takes a special kind of geek to use that word for an argument over whether or not olives are fruit! 🙂

.....can only at laugh your proposal that 'being new' is a reason for an idea or concept to be invalid

I wasn't objecting to its newness but its arbitrariness. In terms of chemical composition there's not much difference between many veg and fruit when both are mostly water and cellulose

Theres quite a few recipes on here now.

I'm gonna have a job selecting which ones to make.

Excellent.
🙂

given that i had no interest or motivation in spending more time than was necessary to give general advice to a load of strangers, the most convenient means of giving advice may well have been to give a blanket avoidance notice on fruit - rather than an extensive list of what to eat or not to eat. the minutiae can be argued by sfb and his cyber foes. i hope victory tastes sweet. sfb's snitch-like glee at the categorising of plant matter has been one of the more tragic things i've observed on here, and that takes some doing. as an aside, tomatoes are deemed vegetables by law as they would not be generally used in a desert.

It takes a special kind of geek to use that word for an argument over whether or not olives are fruit!

why thankyou [b]mol[/b], nice to know you think I'm special - however, there is no debate, it's a done deal 🙂

I tend to agree with barnes. Olives and tomatoes are fruit - that is a fact. However they are often used as vegetables in the culinary sense, that is also a fact. But that doesn't make them not fruit.

I also agree with iDave in that it's really not important 🙂

sfb's snitch-like glee at the categorising of plant matter has been one of the more tragic things i've observed on here

You've not seen the 'World's greatest surfer' thread then?

Oh, and the tomato is a mammal. Everyone knows that.

My suspicion throughout has been that the fruit exclusion was nothing but a kind of dietary shibboleth, which iDave has come close to confirming 🙂

sfb - your suspicion is bullshit, which I'm sure you know, but if you want mark it down as another majestic online victory by all means do so. what a legend you are.

Fruit or no, isn't SFB's problem.

Claiming things are forbidden when they're not is just plain misleading.

Suggesting that Fruit is evil, is, err, just wrong and argumentative

As is suggesting/guessing that <50g of protein a day is sufficient.

Rather than starting his own thread to discuss what he wants to, he's tried to hi-jack this one and turn into a Wiki-Warrior contest.

The original idea for this thread is a good one, the suggestions are fine, and this thread has bean, and can be great for the exchange of useful info, in the spirit intended by the OP.

Barnes, you're wrong, wrong to the core.
Just a tired 50 something with a keyboard
A Kode-Kiddie without a reason.

SFB ? = SAD

My suspicion throughout has been that the fruit exclusion was nothing but a kind of dietary shibboleth, which iDave has come close to confirming

Wow, really scraping the thesaurus now aren't we 🙄

Is your misreading of posts due to your natural ignorance, arrogance or belligerance. 😆

web-geeks eh, who needs 'em 👿

I've bought diffrent types of beans and lentils....I'm really not sure what to do with them - recipee ideas please (I have taken note of ones on this thread already)

Can I just rock up to Asda and buy these pulses or do I need to make a specal trip to a head shop?

Yoshimi.

You've seen my Tuna and Beans offering, earlier in this thread.

Don't know about you, but I can't afford to eat tuna that often, but I'm thinking other fish will go with those beans, maybe even some red meat.
😉

Sorry I don't have any other suggestions right now, but I'm working on it.

I've noticed that the JO website has a Legumes section.

Cheers
😀

Solo

Got my pulses from Tesco.

Go dried or canned. imo the most important this is to give it a go
;-D

I reckon theres money to be saved going the dried route, but it obviously takes a little longer.

Solo.

I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it. For instance a tomato has roughly a third of the sugar content of an orange, so it may be a fruit but one that should be safe for this diet as its not going to cause the spike you would get with an orange or such.

Hope this helps....

I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it.

Most fruit does NOT give you a blood sugar spike. Fructose is a TYPE of sugar but it's most definitely not the same as glucose and sucrose (aka 'normal' sugar).

Aha, I bow to your wisdom Mol, your right, fructose only scores 19 on the GI scale..... so ignore me 😀