iDaves Diet Plan Members…

I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it.

fructose metabolism is quite odd from what I've read – it appears to piggyback glucose absorbtion in the gut, and is then converted into glycogen in the liver. However, as I've seperately read of a rate limitation to carb digestion, all talk of blood sugar spikes may be moot.

Fruit juice is high GI tho as after juicing, fructose degrades into sucrose and glucose.

as after juicing, fructose degrades into sucrose and glucose.

er no, it's a different molecule!
NB sucrose = glucose + fructose dimer

Oh I got that the wrong way round then. However – fruit juice is still high GI, isn't it?

EDIT: well whaddya know, it's medium.

Simon,

Of course I made it up, osmosis of fluids into a carb rich gut is nonsensical, isn't it.

osmosis of fluids into a carb rich gut is nonsensical, isn't it.

as I understand it, most of the traffic is outwards from the gut to the body as that's rather what it's for.

[edit] Wouldn't water going into the gut be a symptom of dehydration ?

Do veggie burgers count as fruit or veg?

As far as i remember glucose, amino acids and lipids leave the intestines via active transportation and diffusion, minerals and salts by osmosis.

Dehydration is prevented by removing the excess water in the colon before evacuation.

As an example Lactulose is a synthetic sugar which increases water into the system but does not digest, consequently it remains a sugar and holds onto it's water right through to the bowel, true sugars are absorbed and do not.

Anyway, I digress.

What I was trying to say was that when embarking on a reduced carbs diet the body does not need to put as much water into the digestive process so it excretes the not needed excess as urine. Consequently you are likely to see a marked initial weight loss.

This is my understanding of the systems, if I am wrong, **** it.

So my first day – I had scrambled eggs and ham this was a bit dull, lunch was a chicken salad was very tasty although it did have pineapple in it!!!!! Diner was chicken carrots green beans plus some other beans, my sauce was a bit naff that needs working on. water and coffee although I did mistakenly have milk in one coffee.

If I where a good cook it would be easy. Anyone have any nice simple recipes as so many recipes have around 20+ ingredients. I did eye up the blueberry muffins but just said no. 👿

Not a bad day I'll carry on tomorrow!

I am like you Tails and like to keep it simple. As a result I have bought most my beans canned. In morrisons they do Indian/Mexican and oriental mixed bean salads in water. So my plan is:

1)cook meat

2)add veg

3)add beans.

4)eat.

meanwhile back in the real world, i had a nice spaghetti bolognaise. 😉
my 1st carbs of the day………………. 8)

Unfortunately I have bags of beans if only I had been smart enough to buy tinned beans.

What I was trying to say was that when embarking on a reduced carbs diet the body does not need to put as much water into the digestive process

but water in your gut enters via the mouth! It may be that carbs in the gut do entrain water, but I've never read that about before. How much water per gramme of carb ? What about other foodstuffs ?

If I where a good cook it would be easy
Keep practising and you will be 😉

Not a bad day I'll carry on tomorrow!
Good effort, stick with it for a few weeks, see how you do.

Jamie – Member
I am like you Tails and like to keep it simple. As a result I have bought most my beans canned. In morrisons they do Indian/Mexican and oriental mixed bean salads in water. So my plan is:

1)cook meat

2)add veg

3)add beans.

4)eat.

Now, thats a plan. Let us know how it goes 😉

Good stuff.

S

Could some kind person please send me a copy of the plan?

Thank you,

BB

me to please

thanks

So first day, and not feeling bad at all. Felt a bit of an evening buzz which was strange, didnt expect that 😀

Brekkie was nuts and coffee, then two poached with a bit of sausage

Lunch was a two egg omlette with ham and peppers, with a portion of boiled carrotts on the side.

Nuts in the afternoon with coffee

For dinner had a tuna bean salad tin with a side salad of mixed leaves, celery, spring onion, olive oil and a small dab of balsamic vinegar. Very tasty.

Hitting a bit of a craving thing now, but just going to have a cup of camomile tea to give me a taste.

All good so will try to keep it up 😀

Breakfast: spinach omlette
Lunch: Beans (all sorts), salad, quorn
Snack: Carrots
Dinner: Beans (soaked so many, I need to eat them…), stir fry with onions, chili, asparagus, mange-tout, baby corns, garlic, parsley…with a lamb style veggie burger

Feel full up, had 3 coffees before midday, but water since.

The first day is coming to a close. I think I feel hungry, but that is probably just greed as opposed to actual hunger. Had to turn down a trip to the pub, but then seeing as I have been practically living in a bottle of cider for the last month or 2 its no great shakes.

Simon – are you still prodding them? Try to get things right if you are going to.

TandemJeremy:
Simon – are you still prodding them?

It's more akin to a child stamping their foot in order to get everyone to pay attention to them 8)

…..and as sfb apparently has his testes wired up to get a mild shock every time someone posts on this thread, I will await his pithy rejoinder.

Try to get things right if you are going to.

surely my guesses are as good as anyone else's ? What did I get wrong oh gert swami?

I reckon simon's doing the idave diet/eating plan.

Wasn't going to post anymore tonight, but…

It's more akin to a child stamping their foot in order to get everyone to pay attention to them

…..and as sfb apparently has his testes wired up to get a mild shock every time someone posts on this thread, I will await his pithy rejoinder.

Jamie, thats really good.

Ta
😉

S

I reckon simon's doing the idave diet/eating plan.

wrong 🙂 I don't even know what it is.

Where's a good place online for recipes please? I've forgotton how to cook 😳

And I'm still waiting for breakfast suggestions that don't include meat or eggs. 🙁

And I'm still waiting for breakfast suggestions that don't include meat or eggs.

A carrot?

If I'm depriving myself of porridge, it needs to be bl**dy good 🙄

If I'm depriving myself of porridge, it needs to be bl**dy good

it beats the hell out of me! The only thing I'll have other than porridge is french toast with maple syrup 🙂 Or both…

Porridge with maple syrup – oh yes now you're talking. 8)

I tried the spicy lentils dish, put up earlier in the thread, last night – I may have got carried away with the chillies… I added chopped pepper & spinach to it, roasted chicken breast on top.

Most excellent, although I suspect my fellow workers may not think so later 🙂

GJ.

Sounds good.

Good to see some of the recipes, good folk have taken the time to post here, being used, and added to.

😀

Solo

I've not been following this plan but it has made me think a lot more about what I eat which is a good thing….I've not cut out carbs but I have cut down, I'm not stopping eating fruit as its nice but I am cooking things from sratch rather than processed foods, even made a salad dressing rather than one from a bottle, it wasn't horrible.

OK here is my best offering to the recipe collection, please try this it is one of the nicest things I know how to cook, I call it soup but really its more like a stew. Chances are you will only need to buy a couple of ingredients to add to whats already in the cupboard, and it's dead easy. You will thank me later.

Chop and fry 2 chicken breasts, put them to one side
Put a chopped onion and a couple of chopped garlic cloves in quite a bit of oil into a pan and heat through for 4-5 mins (soften them dont brown them).
Add a tablespoon of plain flour (or not if you are being super strict on the diet) and stir through for a couple of minutes until it turns gooey.
Add a teaspoon of harissa paste (sainsburys or waitrose sell this, dont think asda or tesco do) and stir this through still on the heat for another 4-5 mins.
Gradually add a pint of chicken stock
Then chuck in a tins worth of chopped tomatoes, a tin of chickpeas, a tin of canellini beans, and whatever other beans you fancy and throw the chicken back in.
Then add a generous teaspoon of paprika, and another of cumin, and whatever chilli you want in there (I use piri piri sauce for this, proper stuff not nandos)
Cook this through for another 5 minutes while you chop a decent amount of fresh coriander, throw the coriander in, stir, and serve.

Delicious

but it has made me think a lot more about what I eat which is a good thing
I agree
🙂

I am cooking things from sratch rather than processed foods

imo, thats a really good thing. I hope you stick with it.

Re: the salad dressing, have you tried the one I posted earlier ?.
30ml Olive oil
10ml lemon juice/white wine vinegar
10ml Dijon mustard
0.5g – 1g fresh ground black pepper
maybe a pinch of salt
And, if you're really pushing the boat out.
A very small blob of honey (~2ml)
All in a bowl and whisk.

Alternatively, websites for the celeb cooks all have salad dressing recipes/ideas, esp at this time of year, may be worth a look.
🙂

Steve-G
Like your style, sounds gooooood 😉

S

Today for breakfast I had some bacon. It was different as have been a porage man for many years. Tasty tho.

I've been doing this since Friday and have an interesting issue….

Normally Greenwich set their clock by my twice daily bowel movements. Since embarking on this eating pattern i'm down to a poor one per day. Now i beleive that most poo is largly dead cells, so i must be producing less dead cells. Which means more of me is living = iDave has discovered the secret of imortality. Or i'm egg bound 🙂

Now, where is that picolax thread…..

is picolax a Carb or a fruit and do i have to wait till my day off? 🙂

Now i beleive that most poo is largly dead cells

an interesting belief, however unless you only eat meat I think it's mostly fibre and water with some bile salts and intestinal mucus

Solo – the one I did was 3 parts olive oil to one part red wine vinegar, salt, peppar, wholegrain mustard

I'm liking the sound of that one with honey