iDave Diet Joinee

My müesli isn’t better or worse than lentils so why does iDave exclude grains, bread, pasta… ? Which would you rather eat, spaghetti or red lentils? Which is most likely to give you the runs in a triathlon?

In terms of G my spaghetti and müesli, and his red lentils are within 10% of each other.

Why exclude perfectly good carbs?

is it possiby because, as mentioned several times, its not a low GI plan, its a plan designed to take better control of the insulemic response?

Same thing, Shirley?

“The glycemic index, glycaemic index, or GI is a measure of the effects of carbohydrates in food on blood sugar levels.”

– WikiWikiWahWah

Wow – Jamie – man has evolved further than I ever imagined.

Indeed.

Edukator – I reckon all those carbs are doing something… re-read all PhilConsequences posts… I reckon he might say something that could help you out.

This really is the thread that keeps on giving – thank you STWers 🙂

p.s. Jamie that is making me drool, even as a non-meat eater!

EDIT: not so much the gelatenous alien foetus in a can, however a tinned PB&J buttie 😀

My Müsli contains those grains iDave excludes whatever its G value.

Ed, I think you’re starting to bleed abit.

Selective reading again, tut, tut !.

Be a nice Troll and answer Capt J’s Q

After all, you did issue an ultimatum to others to answer your questions.
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Finally repsonded then.
Answers Q, with a Q though…..
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shut up jamie, i’ve had enough of your tomfoolery.

glycemic is a different[/u] word than insulemic DUH! so why does iDave keep telling me that i can’t eat meusli if its the same[/u] as beans?!

is it possiby because, as mentioned several times, its not a low GI plan, its a plan designed to take better control of the insulemic response?

Think about that. Insulin reponds to blood sugar which is a function of the GI of the food you eat.

iDave is excluding carbs that are low G because they are high G. Go figure.

insulemic vs glycemic values:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index

shut up jamie, i’ve had enough of your tomfoolery.

glycemic is a different word than insulemic DUH! so why does iDave keep telling me that i can’t eat meusli if its the same as beans?!

That’s like saying monkey is a different word to wobble.

Check. Mate.

The low GI is only part of the picture. The diet is also aimed at cutting out grains, not for any insulin response reasons. I suspect you’re view of the diet is based on eaves-dropping a few STW threads rather than any actual knowledge. You’ll find quite a few pro teams greatly reducing grains in the riders diets and many riders are totally gluten free. You’ll have seen a few in the last stages of Tour of Flanders yesterday.

My issue with your input Edukator, is that you can’t see that perhaps your ideas may not be best practice, they’re just purely based on the fact that you’re lean and you read stuff once.

The info the French Olympic team produced, is similar to the crap I used to peddle because it was at the time what we believed to be correct. Some people are able to look for evidence to form an opinion, rather than to back up their opinion.

I even included info in 3 books and dozens of articles that I believe to have been way off the mark.

And I have also known what it’s like to have to lose weight. I’ve been 3.5 stone heavier than I am now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index

Whoa !, check out white bread (carbohydrate rich).

Wunundred !

iDave – Member
My issue with your input Edukator, is that you can’t see that perhaps your ideas may not be best practice, they’re just purely based on the fact that you’re lean and you read stuff once.

I’ve been waiting for this…

He is a geologist, iDave, he likes things set in stone.

Solo – Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index

Whoa !, check out white bread (carbohydrate rich).

Wunundred !

look at porridge:

GI – 60
II – 40

He is a geologist, iDave, he likes things set in stone.

Bawdish !

I’m so proud of that i might go and buy some cheesecake.

Capt.

Ed’s favourite shop is the bakery.
He thinks we should all be shopping there.

I’m so proud of that i might go and buy some cheesecake.

I thought it was a good joke, actually.
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Again, it’s not only about the GI but limiting grains. So some food that seems low GI is rules out as we haven’t quite evolved enough to digest it with some issues. Ed being an exception.

My view is based on years of reading the literature on the chocalate factory shelves, Sport et Vie, and the scientific press.

Just what is wrong with grains, bread, pasta and mûesli with GIs in the 30-50 range?

Most people aren’t diabetic, most people don’t have gluten tolerance problems, most people aren’t doped and in need of some justification of their miraculous performances to fob the journalists off with.

It’s my Shamal wheels, guv.
I’ve lost 5kg since before my cancer, guv.
All these young riders are dropping dead with heat failure because they are training with colds, guv.
I’m over 50 because I’ve slept in a nitrogen tent, guv. (or spent two weeks at altitude).
It’s down to my scandinavian/paleo/high carb/low fat/iDave diet, guv.

Why is what you peddle now any less crap than “the crap I used to peddle”? It’s just another fad.

My view is based on years of reading the literature on the chocalate factory shelves,

Willy Wonka telling us to eat chocolate… well I never.

Again, it’s not only about the GI but limiting grains. So some food that seems low GI is rules out as we haven’t quite evolved enough to digest it with some issues

Now if you start using paleodiet reasoning then lentils are the last thing to eat. Man has been eating grains in large quantities since the end of the last ice age. Lentils have never been a major part of man’s diet and we have never eveolved to eat large quantites of the things.

If this was the movies, Dave and Edukator would fall into each others arms and have a little kiss in a mo.

and the scientific press.

So you’re ok with scientific press until it starts to suggest something you disagree with?

Your comments about excuses to cover drug use suggest you’re actually not mentally capable of discussing this rationally.

Why is what you peddle now any less crap than “the crap I used to peddle”?

Because there is a weight of evidence discrediting what I had previously believed. You know ‘evidence’, that thing that helps us form rather than support opinions.

The low GI is only part of the picture. The diet is also aimed at cutting out grains, not for any insulin response reasons.

Now I’m confused, if not for insulin response reasons then how does it help with weight loss (as opposed to general health)?

I had a look at the earlier link someone posted to MDA ( http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#axzz1qsFzp8cu ) and it seems to imply that “carbohydrates elicit a physiological response that favors fat storage.” But the idiet isn’t supposed to be low carb either?

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No cheesecake in canteen

Reading lots means you make a sythesis in your head. You identify the concesus, outliers and trends, and fads. Racing myself means I’ve tested a few approaches.

you’re actually not mentally capable of discussing rationally.

Down to insulting my mental ability now. Desperate.

Now I’m confused, if not for insulin response reasons then how does it help with weight loss (as opposed to general health)?

I assumed that general health would be welcomed. Plenty of feedback from iDave dieters is that they not only lose weight but feel healthier, have lower BP, cholesterol, reduced eczema/asthma and so on.

Linking the iDave diet to covers for avoiding accusations of doping by journalists seems a little more desperate Ed.

look at how GOD DAMN SEXY he is dave, why would you insult such a fine example of a man?

edukator, do you really race yourself? i hear you can go blind if you do it too much!

why did the fish race himself?

because he ate muesli and was able to without needing the toilet too often. and remember that folks, it might save your life some day x

I’ve just read an article on MSN saying how exercise boosts your brain functionality. This thread is contradictory.

*excluding Phil he’s gotten way more cleverer since he’s been exersizing.

If you’re worried about

BP, cholesterol, reduced eczema/asthma

then the mediterranean diet is the obvious choice, complete with dunking bread in olive oil, something I often do. Should I post up my last blood test results too?

Why is what you peddle now any less crap than “the crap I used to peddle”? It’s just another fad.

Of course the future holds yet more discoverys for human kind.
But the point is, we are, well most of us are, moving along with the times.

I think Dr Lustig did a good job in the video,” Sugar the bitter truth ” of describing how we got to where we are today, and that what we thought we knew, what we thought was Ok, might need reassessing.

Ed. You’re a bakery fan, as you admit earlier on this thread.
So I’m amazed you haven’t posted on the issues around phytate, lectin, gluten.
Furthermore..

most people don’t have gluten tolerance problems

Just because your body can tolerate the consumption of a food type.
Doesn’t mean that food type is actually doing you any good.

Edukator – Member
Reading lots means you make a sythesis in your head. You identify the concesus, outliers and trends, and fads.

I suspect some people called the theory continental drift another fad.

I assumed that general health would be welcomed. Plenty of feedback from iDave dieters is that they not only lose weight but feel healthier, have lower BP, cholesterol, reduced eczema/asthma and so on.

Is the underlying issue here the fact that you’ve put this diet out there and it seems to work for many people, but you don’t explain the underlying principles behind it alongside the specific rules, hence the endless debates?

Right.

Serious and genuine question time.

Obesity didn’t use to be a problem. Granted, more people had manual jobs but they also ate bread and spuds… these were the staples of the British diet if I’m not mistaken.

How does that work then?

Right.

Serious and genuine question time.

Obesity didn’t use to be a problem. Granted, more people had manual jobs but they also ate bread and spuds… these were the staples of the British diet if I’m not mistaken.

How does that work then?

I think you’ll find that as a proportion of the amount of time Man has been eating.
Consuming grain derived food is a relatively new thing, which emerged with the arrival of farming / agriculture.
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a “hypothesis” Captjon. To be tested. The iDave diet is very much at the test stage, how much of it will accepted as “best fit theory” only time will tell. I’ll be very surprised if eliminating grains, bread and pasta becomes main stream.

That’s irrelevant. Why weren’t they all obese in the 60’s?

I’ll be very surprised if eliminating grains, bread and pasta becomes main stream

Of course. Theres big business in supplying grain.
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