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Yes, Molgrips. And?

Easy on the nuts metalheart – they can very quickly sabotage weight loss, I’ve been there. Donm’t have more than a couple of modest handfuls a day imo.

I’ve eaten well today, plenty of slow carb food but I still feel hungry. My problem on this diet is eating a lot and still feeling hungry yet not at the same time.

Yes, Molgrips. And?

Well, it seems a bit odd that you are citing what you’ve seen people eat as evidence in an argument against someone who trains top athletes for a living. Doesn’t it?

Where does it say that carbs are not permitted or not recommended on the plan in general?

here:”No white carbs eg
–bread,rice,pasta,potatoes,or any wholegrain variant.No cereal or cereal derived foods
No dairy No fruit”

are you getting confused between complex and simple carbs?

No, because as im sure you are aware, iDave also recommends: ”Unlimited
vegetables Unlimited legumes;
lentils,chickpeas,butter beans etc”

Did you know David Millar used to drink a litre of coke after every ride? at least i think it was him.

Where does it say that carbs are not permitted or not recommended on the plan in general?

here:”No white carbs

It says no white carbs, there are other kinds. You can (and indeed probably should) eat as many of those other kinds as you like.

Edukator – Member
The iDave diet as used here by biffers
“Biffers”? I don’t think that’s a compliment.

Edukator, at just under 100kg (after a week) whatelse would you call me, portly? According to bmi I’m now just >< shy of obese (which according to that measure last week I was). I reckon that I’m at least 15kg overweight,

I have been eating potatoes, bread and pasta and I put on weight.

What do you suggest I do, carry on like before (which I know that didnt work)?

Would seeing what people eat really be passed off as evidence? I’m not convinced.

The iDave diet as used here by biffers…

Hey now! We’re right here, guy!

… isn’t and never has been for elite level endurance athletes….

I assume you haven’t seen Molgrips sprinting. Like shit off a lubed up shovel.

Easy on the nuts metalheart

Don’t worry I won’t get near a m&s for another week… 😛

I’ve found a new weight loss catalyst.

Hot yoga. 90 mins of exercise in 40 deg heat and I’ve lost 3lb. Just like that.

Where can I get an interview for training Olympic teams?

For those who think that bread, rice etc are better than sugar, check out the GI tables. There’s not much in it. All the white carbs are pretty high.

This page has rice at 98, white bread at 70 and Coke at 63. WIN!

todays menu from a confirmed idieter.

3 scrambled eggs with a mountain of mushrooms.
1 pack of kippers mid morning
1 mixed bean salad with a bit of chorizo thrown in.
handfull of mixed seeds
half a chiken, broccoli, sugar snaps, green beans and carrots.

and i love it to bits.
2 stone off in 4 weeks……whats not to like 8)

No, because as im sure you are aware, iDave also recommends: ”Unlimited
vegetables Unlimited legumes;
lentils,chickpeas,butter beans etc”

So the diet says that you can eat unlimited carbs of the complex flavour, then goes into great detail about the quantity of simple carbs/white carbs you can have when training…. I’m forgetting the question about recommending or not recommending carbs, could you ask it again, please?

Oh yeah chorizo, forgot about that. I should get some to go with the beans I’ve got soaking tonight.

This was getting really boring. Thanks to Ton for bringing it back, well done on 2 stone very impressive 😀

As for some of you, you should get a hobby. I hear riding bikes for fun is fantastic.

I wish I were out on my bike, but what with work and having to look after kids that hasn’t worked out today. Thanks for rubbing it in!

ton – edukator has a better plan for you mate

he’s helped loads of biffers fatties lose weight.

Yes, Molgrips. And?

So three units of red to dull the hunger, Metalheart. Wonderful diet this.

Jog down to Mc Donalds, buy a big Mac, enjoy it and jog back. Get up early and go for an hour’s walk before breakfast then enjoy your breakfast, how about marmite on toast washed down with a glass of orange juice?

Being a coach is one way to make a living, coming up with a selection of things to cut out so all will be wonderful seems to be a prerequisite for commercial success. How many cut-this-or-cut-that diets have you seen over the year in the women’s magzines and cycling teams. In my case enough to figure that the next one is probably no better than the last one to have been discreditted.

I’ve followed the fashions myself, “régime dissocié scandinave” like Ron Hill and Bernard Hinault – possibly a small gain on efforts around 2 hours but with the risk of feeling fatigued on the day due to training when starved mid week. Paleodiet (which seems to be much like iDave – feel free to contradict me pointing out differences, iDave) – OK for everyday life but training volumes were compromised by lethargy and poor recovery.

So now I just merrily eat and drink, in moderation, or at least in relation to how active and hence hungry I feel, which I reckon is far better advice than any diet sheet or cutting out grains.

Any time x I have booked tomorrow off work to go for a ride in the Peak.
It will be very slow with plenty of stops on the tops to take in the views as I have a bit of a head cold.

Edukator, jog to McDonald’s? It’s chuffin 7 miles away! Plus I hate mcd’s loathe some stuff.

Currently walking between 35 and 50 miles a week. I’ve been getting up early (5.45am that early enough?).

4 units in 3 days, hardly drowning my sorrows is it? How much alcohol have you had btw?

I’m forgetting the question about recommending or not recommending carbs, could you ask it again, please?

seriously, im lost. must be a lack of carbs.
Good night

Don, have you ever tried eating enough vegetables (not forgetting we’re excluding potoatoes) to fuel up for even a sporty weekend? Personally I end up bloated, farting, stopping behind hedges regularly when running and soon run out of energy.

Why is it that on this forum people I never met and definitely never mated with call me “mate” when I disagree with them?

“Being a coach is one way to make a living, coming up with a selection of things to cut out so all will be wonderful seems to be a prerequisite for commercial success. “

You know less about coaching than you do about nutrition then.

And I wasn’t referring to you as ‘mate’

Why is it that on this forum people I never met and definitely never mated with call me “mate” when I disagree with them?

Because they are to polite to call you a w*&$££?

one thing, more than anything else that i like about the idiet/primal plan.
it has stopped me eating man made shyte, stuff with a ingrediant list as long as your arm.
also, i have hardly any recycling to do now, no packaging and boxes and plastic wrappers.

idave god is good……….. 😆

In my case enough to figure that the next one is probably no better than the last one to have been discreditted

Well there are dozens and dozens of people reporting good weight loss, great energy levels and good sustainability. I can’t see where this is going to be discredited. This isn’t a women’s magazine, is it?

Why are you being such a pillock? Are you saying we should not do the iDiet? Are you saying we should eat plenty of normal food and exercise and we’ll all look like you? Because that is absolutely guaranteed 100% not true. If that’s all you’ve got to offer then great, thanks, don’t call us.

Don, have you ever tried eating enough vegetables (not forgetting we’re excluding potoatoes) to fuel up for even a sporty weekend? Personally I end up bloated, farting, stopping behind hedges regularly when running and soon run out of energy.

Yes, frequently.

3 glasses of Jurançon after the race on Sunday, nothing since, Metalheart. I’ll probably open a bottle on Thursday that will last the weekend then have a few glasses after the race.

Seven miles will soon be an easy jog if you keep walking that far. If you lose weight I reckon it’ll be down to being aware of what you’re eating, stopping when no longer hungry, and the determination to walk the weight off that will be the reason rather than the type of carbs you’re eating.

also, i have hardly any recycling to do now, no packaging and boxes and plastic wrappers

Funny I’ve found the opposite, lots of chick peas tins and trimmings/parings off the veg….

Seven miles will soon be an easy jog if you keep walking that far. If you lose weight I reckon it’ll be down to being aware of what you’re eating, stopping when no longer hungry, and the determination to walk the weight off that will be the reason rather than the type of carbs you’re eating.

Educator, but it’s starting the idiet that’s made me more aware of what im eating. You are right in that’s it’s only part of it. Walking is the easiest thing I can incorporate into my daily work routine (it’s 6 miles each way, when I don’t have to take the car for work). Once I’m down in weight enough to not destroy myself I’ll be trying to run home some times too.

Jamie – Member

… isn’t and never has been for elite level endurance athletes….
I assume you haven’t seen Molgrips sprinting. Like shit off a lubed up shovel.

lol

Chick peas. Why not just be honest about the strategy and take laxatives? 😉

You were indeed refering to Ton not me when you used “mate”, iDave. I apologise for misreading and taking umbrage.

Why are you being such a pillock?

I reread that three times though and you’ve diefinitely aimed it at me, Molgrips. You’ve also adopted your usual strategy of inventing things I’ve said but haven’t.

I’m suggesting eating in moderation (or in relation to your level of activity) and exercising regularly is a better way to stay trim than cutting out certain types of carbohydrates.

I’m against generous amounts of grains, pasta, rice, potatoes etc. Yeah. Very much so. Exception would be in the first main meal after a long hard session, but there are much better choices.

This is the crux of where iDave and I diverge. As you’ve listed four carbs to avoid could you list four of the best carbs pre race (or before a day out in the mountains) in your opinion please, iDave?

As you’ve listed four carbs to avoid could you list four of the best carbs pre race (or before a day out in the mountains) in your opinion please, iDave?

If you look carefully, I reckon the answer is already in his diet sheet…

If you look carefully, I reckon the answer is already in his diet sheet…

Will that involve reading or thinking or reading and thinking?

“I’m suggesting eating in moderation and exercising regularly is a better way to stay trim than cutting out certain types of carbohydrates.”

What are you basing this on other than your opinion? What can you tell us about how carbs are metabolised that make you think they aren’t involved in fat storage?

But what do I know eh?……….

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Dr Tim Noakes, leading authority on endurance physiology, Sports Physician, Exercise Physiologist and Discovery Health Professor of Exercise and Sports Science at the University of Cape Town and Sports Science Institute of South Africa, Cape Town, South Africa

“It is clear to me now that carbohydrate intake is the factor driving the obesity/diabetes/ heart disease/ metabolic syndrome epidemic globally.

I have lost 15kg of fat (looks like I have lost no muscle) by switching from a “healthy” high carbohydrate diet to an “unhealthy” one comprising 55-60% fat, 30% protein and 5-10% carbohydrate (about 80g CHO per day) diet. Thus I have proved that my body fat mass is inversely related to the fat content of my diet – the less fat I eat, the fatter I become.

I am also running faster than I have for 20 years and my body shape looks identical to pictures I have of myself when rowing for my University 40 years ago at age 22.

The advice that we should reduce the fat in our diet and replace it with carbohydrate might just be the single greatest public health disaster of the past century (since it has led to the global obesity epidemic).”
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I knew it!!! Reading AND thinking!!! 👿

It’s OK DS, I can tell you what to think. Just send a cheque to deadly.

Pesetas OK?

Si senior

His diet sheet if apparently aimed at “biffers”. I’m interested in what iDave suggests for active people (or even athletes) – I don’t think listing four vegetables is giving away a vital trade secret. I’m interested enough in nutrition to try anything several times to see if it works for me. Chick peas, aubergines, swedes and turnips are out because I can’t sleep with stomach ache but I’ll try almost anything else.