GP5000 – Still road tyre of choice?

My road bike has some very square looking GP4000 25mm on that are in need of a change.  I ride on the Shropshire / Welsh boarders where the roads can be anything from smooth to literal gravel (although rare sections) . The GP4000’s were flawless and never punctured but worked brilliant for fast club rides.

When the GP5000 came out people said they punctured easier. Is that still the case?

I am looking at 28mm variety and they appear to have come down in price quite a bit and actually be in stock now !

GP5000’s or something else? Ta

I hope so as I’ve just bought some 28mm TR ones to replace my 25mm 4000s.
I only read about improved rolling and easier fitting (latest 5000’s over last 5000’s) and no horror stories about punctures.
The tubeless ones fitted by hand onto my Prime carbon wheels and went up with a track pump.

Looking forward to getting out on them – I ride MTB in anything but am very much a fair weather roadie. Any day now!

I used GP4000s for ages, then took a chance one these and have been impressed:

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYPAJBMM/jack-brown-mile-muncher-700c-folding-tyre

They’re only in 25mm or 30mm though.

I had the 25 5000s on last season as tubeless. Had one puncture that sealed almost immediately the whole time and also rode on gravel tracks too with no issues.

I used gp4000s for ages and they were great.

I switched to gp5000s (28 and 25). They are definitely faster than the 4000s.

However, I took them on a ride through the Netherlands and Germany and had three punctures (in the rain, cold and hungry), and then a couple more when I got home.

So, probably be fine once all the bits of flint and glass have gone, or if tubeless.

I hope they are – I’ve just replaced some very tired 25c gp4000s with some 30c gp5000’s. Both clincher as I can’t be doing with road tubeless (both mtbs are tubeless but happy with road just being tubes).

Just watch the sizing as these 30c gp5000s are barely any bigger than the 25c gp4000s. Thinking I could have gone 32c size now tbh.

Not ridden them yet – hope to get out next week in them once I’ve installed brakes on my new road frame that I’m mid swap.

My GP 5000 TL have been amazing. 14000km on the front and almost 9k out back. The new S TR seems to be lighter, but I can’t comment on longevity yet.

I don’t recall getting a puncture with GP5000s (23mm and 32mm) in the past ~3 years, they’re possibly a tiny bit quicker than GP4000 S IIs, but they perhaps wear a bit quicker (especially the rear). I’ve had tubeless ready wheels, but to date I’ve stuck with usually latex and odd butyl tube.

I have a fresh set of 30mm GP5000s (perhaps using a lightly used 25mm or spare 23mm on front) to go on my VEL 50 RL wheels bought last Black Friday, that have hibernated over winter waiting for some dry spring/summer days in the South Downs lanes.

I need to get around to trying the performance lines done by Schwalbe and Vittoria.

The GP5000TL have been good for me in both 28c (comes up true to size, unlike the old GP4000s) and 32c.

I had 4000s/25 on my non-disc road bike purely because the 4000/28s were too tall and rubbed on the brake caliper. I switched to 5000s/25 the last change and they’re a lot smaller. Both in terms of getting the bastards on and in height. So maybe a 28 would have been OK.
I was a bit grumpy about the smaller volume until I took the bike out for a ride – but they feel super smooth and compliant. Maybe a 28 would have fitted, but the feel of the 5000/25 is an improvement on the 4000s. IMHO.

When the GP5000 came out people said they punctured easier. Is that still the case?

I find them very robust – very rarely puncture with them, doing 10,000 km a year.

I’ve gp5000 on the TT bike (rim braked and with tubes – not tubeless wheels – and I’m very happy with them. I had them on the road bike too for a long triathlon that had 10,000ft of climbing on the bike route). Again no problems at all. With tubes (latex tubes on the TT bike for best rolling resistance).

I do repeatedly read in other (tri) forums however that the tubeless version of the gp5000 have been a total and utter PITA to get onto many rims (to the point of being unable to remove or refit with a tube at the roadside, broken tyre levers etc. This took me to Pirelli P-Zero tubeless tyres on my road bike now that I’ve got a tubeless wheel set up on that. The Pirelli go on well and seat without problem too.

The old TL’s wouldn’t go on my Prime wheels. Got one on but it was holed and then wouldn’t come off without cutting!
The STR’s are a completely different league. Fit perfectly, inflate tubeless with just a track pump and last ages.
I have 25’s on the road bike and 32’s on the gravel bike and love them both.

I’m on my second set on my road bike, really rate them in terms of grip and rolling resistance. I did have two punctures in the first three rides though, so I’m hoping I haven’t brought a duff pair made of cheese!

Pro Ones here but I’ve not compared them to the Contis.

My TLs have been pretty good but looking quite cut up now and near the wear indicator.

Is there any benefit to spending an extra £15 an end on the new all-season version?

Anybody got them for less than the £89 Sigma are knocking them out for?

Yup, S TR is the ones I have. I held off the TR based on common stories of them being a bugger to fit.

My rims are 19mm internal. GP4000 25’s measured 28.2mm. GP5000 S TR 28’s measure 28.5mm. I am on rim brakes so can’t go bigger. Would do (or will) with discs.

Just had a test ride on my new Conti GP5000TRs. 28 on the back 25 on the front. Felt fast and grippy. Easy to get on and set up tubeless.

I bought mine from Mantel.

Had a set of the first GP5000s, now on S TRs. One puncture that I noticed in 6000m, fixed in a couple of minutes with an anchovy. Tubeless on Giant SLR1 carbon rims, very easy to fit.

So all sounds good – I was thinking these from Merlin

Continental GP5000 Folding Tyres With 2 Free Inner Tubes – Pair | Merlin Cycles

Daft but whats TR – Tubless Ready ?

TL ?

I will be running tubes.

As far as I can tell there are two types, the standard ones that you linked to and the tubeless versions.

The old tubeless were called TL (Tube Less?) and the new ones are S TR (Tubeless Ready?). The TL were apparently buggers to fit. The S TR are easier to fit. But since you want neither of the tubeless ones that’s academic 😉

TL on one bike, TR on the other.

TR were easier to fit though I suspect that’s down to the difference in rims.

The TL have seen more winter miles than the TR which are on the nice bike, both have been excellent…’obviously’ both tubeless versions but based on those I’d happily go with the tubed equivalent.

Much better than Pro Ones in my experience, every pair I’ve ever had have punctured.

Meant to come back and update.

I got some 5000’s 28mm. They were very tight to get on, to the point I really dont think I would manage to get them off and back on if out on the road !

Width wise I could swear they are no wider than the 25mm 4000’s they replaced. However the volume does make a big difference. Road vibration is definitely taken out and I now dont try and avoid some road imperfections. They are also more confidence inspiring on anything but billiard smooth decents.

You can feel a very slight bit more drag when sprinting, but its negligible.

I still havent found the right pressures for me though yet I dont think. They almost appear to be slower if you have them too hard, but too soft and the ride almost feels too soft if that makes sense, even though speed doesnt appear to be effected.

Width wise I could swear they are no wider than the 25mm 4000’s they replaced.

They’re not, the 5000s measure up smaller than the 4000s they replaced.

My 25mm GP4000s measured 28.

My 28mm GP5000 S TR also measure 28.

For pressure, have you tried the SRAM guide? I find it accurate and have settled on running what they suggest.

https://axs.sram.com/guides/tire/pressure

GP5000s seem to be the stock choice of everyone, but for some reason I can never get on with them that well. I always seem to prefer Pirelli’s offerings. I also always prefer to run the tyres as soft as I can get away with, which seems to drive the roadies I know nuts.

Yes, GP4000s were always bigger than stated.  GP5000s seem to be absolutely bang on size.  My TLs were quite hard to fit, but then I’m not going to be taking them off on the roadside.  Removal for replacement was done with just thumbs, but there wasn’t much left of them come replacement time.

Sidewalls on the 5000TR are very thin so if you a regularly off the tarmac I would go for the 5000TR all season if you can stomach the cost as they have more sidewall protection. Alternative would be the Pirelli cinturato velo TR, They aren’t as supple or light though.