Gaza

ICJ gives opinion on Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2x05n7m3xet

Nothing on the BBC page yet but apparently (and perhaps unsurprisingly) it’s not going in Israel’s favour.

Chris, the link to the live feed is in the front page for me

Edit, do you mean live updates summarising the ongoing event?

Small cluster munitions aren’t banned at all

Phew!! That’s a relief!! So the IDF are still the “world’s most moral army” 🙂

https://x.com/jeremyrh/status/1813106730446037050?s=46&t=0EdQH2VaJpSkNmaw8CsUvg

JUST IN: A CHILD WITH AUTISM AND DOWN SYNDROM WAS EATEN ALIVE BY ISRAELI DOGS AND EXECUTED BY SOLDIERS.

The story of Mohammad Bhar, he was attacked by dogs that were set on him by the soldiers.

He kept patting the dog’s head while saying “that’s enough my dear”

ICJ says Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal

I think we all knew that already but the next obvious question is “what’s the international community going to do about that?”

The first step must surely be to implement sanctions. Hopefully the new Attorney General will make the case for sanctions to uphold international law.

Another question must be whether any help or support to Israel to maintain it’s illegal occupation from other countries is also an international crime.

Israel simply cannot maintain its illegal occupation of Palestinian land without help from other countries.

Time to get the removal vans into the west bank and kick them all out, give them tents and tell them to **** off, or place a worldwide travel ban and freeze all bank accounts on all 700,000 inhabitants of the West Bank.

In breach of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which means that it constitutes a war crime.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/19/world-court-says-israels-settlement-policies-breach-international-law

It said other nations were obliged not to “render aid or assistance in maintaining” Israel’s presence in the territories. 

Well done the ICJ for sticking to the rule of law. I bet with the US election in swing and the potential backlash against the UN for not siding with Israel there would likely be political pressure on it. But if Trump does win I can see the US using this as an excuse to withdraw from the UN (although I wouldn’t put it past the current incarnation of the democrats either).

There will be zero real action.  US and UK will continue to supply guns and bombs and to provide a figleaf at the UN.

There will be zero real action.  US and UK will continue to supply guns and bombs and to provide a figleaf at the UN.

Illegal occupation of foreign lands by an occupying force?, if so then surely that means the land can be taken back by force?

I’ll bung a few ££ into the fund for the Palestinians

Illegal occupation of foreign lands by an occupying force?, if so then surely that means the land can be taken back by force?

let me knows how that goes

if so then surely that means the land can be taken back by force?

Yeah and as the ICJ  also ruled that Gaza was under illegal occupation prior to October 7 last year the attack by the Palestinian resistance wasn’t in itself illegal.

So whilst Hamas leaders might well be prosecuted in an international court for war crimes, such as killing civilians (how ironic) they could not presumably be prosecuted for violently resisting and killing Israeli soldiers.

There will be zero real action.

That completely misses the point. The ruling first of all further increases Israel’s growing international isolation and secondly it provides a further legal basis for BDS  right across the globe.

And those who want to maintain normalised relations with the State of Israel are now in a weaker position.

I think we all knew that already but the next obvious question is “what’s the international community going to do about that?”

And I think we all know the answer to that question. Absolutely nothing whatsoever.

So whilst Hamas leaders might well be prosecuted in an international court for war crimes, such as killing civilians (how ironic) they could not presumably be prosecuted for violently resisting and killing Israeli soldiers.

This is all just delusion. Nobody gives a damn about who is “prosecuted in an International court”. Genocide is happening in front of our eyes. People are being killed on a massive scale and nobody is doing anything to stop it. Some soap opera in The Hague is irrelevant.

Some soap opera in The Hague is irrelevant.

I hear this sort of shit from a small minority in the Palestine solidarity movement who insist on always wallowing in endless despair.

The ICJ judgement is massively important and it represents a huge step forward.

The ICJ judgement is massively important and it represents a huge step forward.

I’m sure the widows in Gaza are rejoicing as we speak.

Yesterday I had some muppet telling me that Lammy’s announcement that funding is being restored to UNRWA is nothing more than a sticky plaster, ffs

Obviously the halfwit who was unimpressed with £21 million going to UNRWA for food and emergency shelter in Gaza isn’t living amongst rubble with no food for themselves and their family.

The clearly spurious nonsense about the oslo accords demolished

Did Palestinian leaders waive these rights with the Oslo accords, which recognized certain Israeli powers in the occupied territory as negotiations were supposed to proceed toward a Palestinian state? No, said the court, citing article 47 of the fourth Geneva convention, which says negotiations between occupier and occupied cannot deprive people of rights under the convention – a wise precaution given inherent power imbalances.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/22/the-icj-has-demolished-israels-claims-that-it-is-not-occupying-palestinian-territories

In other news of no consequence other than pointless symbolism, adidas has dropped Bella Hadid from their advertising campaign because she expressed solidarity with her people.

The Adidas ad was something to do with the Munich Olympics. There is a lot of symbolism around that for Israelis, for sure.

Anyway… if Harris becomes POTUS, a change in USA policy towards Israel is likely, isn’t it? I want to hear more there.

It is likely to be more critical. Unless she has been simply playing bad cop to Biden’s good cop.

As Netanyahu gets the red carpet treatment in the USA, here’s Jewish/American doctor Mark Pelmutter speaking about what is going on in Gaza.

Its **** sickening, I don’t have/use TikTok but my mates son has and showed me a video of two Israeli snipers with a tally on the wall beside them of successful head/chest/leg shots and taking kill shots as they were filmed. How is this not a war crime?, can these videos/folk ever be traced and put on trial?

https://x.com/omarbaddar/status/1815428315915973042?s=61&t=27Xz8oI3pGlaNEQvowJBcg

Anyway… if Harris becomes POTUS, a change in USA policy towards Israel is likely, isn’t it? I want to hear more there.

it’s likely to stay exactly the same whether Harris or Trump get elected. Unless by “policy change” you mean change in the noises made in response to the killings.

Israeli government allocates millions to unauthorised West Bank settler outposts

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240723-israeli-government-allocates-millions-unauthorised-west-bank-settler-outposts

Some of those outposts have been linked to settler violence against Palestinians and are sanctioned by the US.

The United States, Britain, and the European Union have imposed international sanctions on 13 hard-line Israeli settlers, some of whom are associated with the outpost farms — as well as two affiliated outposts and four groups — over accusations of attacks and harassment against Palestinians.

I am not sure how anyone could deny that Israel engages in state sponsored terrorism, and yet not a squeak suggesting that from US and UK governments.

That level of hugely damaging hypocrisy does not go unnoticed, especially in the Global South. And it will certainly contribute to the United States waning global influence

I know it’s “just words”, but Harris’ statement condemning what is happening in Gaza after meeting Netanyahu feel like a step to me. Echoing Lammy’s after his meeting quite closely.

it’s likely to stay exactly the same whether Harris or Trump get elected

Are you selectively misremembering Trump’s last term or office, as regards what he said he wanted to see happen in the West Bank and Gaza?

Settler who shot Palestinian man yet to be charged 9 months after incident videoed

https://www.timesofisrael.com/settler-who-shot-palestinian-man-yet-to-be-charged-9-months-after-incident-videoed/

A West Bank settler who entered a Palestinian village and shot and severely wounded a Palestinian man from point-blank range has yet to be charged, despite the incident being caught on video and the testimony of multiple eyewitnesses.

The man who goes around shooting Palestinians with impunity is an illegal settler on illegally occupied land. And a free man.

Edit: And to be clear there is no Hamas activity in the West Bank so Israeli violence against innocent Palestinians has nothing to do with their “war” on Hamas.

if Harris becomes POTUS, a change in USA policy towards Israel is likely, isn’t it?

Didnt she initially boycott his speech, but only a day later say Israel has a right to defend itself.

Quite a change around, though that might be as a way of not alienating potential voters when put on the spot by the press.

But either way as far as i see it, Israel is an American fort in the middle of a danger zone.And the Americans will do anything to keep that fort supplied.

Are you selectively misremembering Trump’s last term or office, as regards what he said he wanted to see happen in the West Bank and Gaza?

No. I’m just not listening to words and instead paying attention to actions.

Israel sets up 25 illegal outposts in West Bank since October 7: Report​

Peace Now Israel, a group pushing for a two-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, says since the war on Gaza began, Israel has established at least “25 outposts, most of them agricultural outposts”, in the occupied West Bank.

“The cabinet approved the establishment of five new settlements: Evyatar, Givat Assaf, Sde Ephraim, Adorayim, and Nachal Haletz, all illegal outposts intended to become official settlements,” the report said.

It found that far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich instructed ministries and authorities to begin funding “70 illegal outposts, establish public buildings, and connect them to water, electricity, and other infrastructure”.

It added that 1,205 Palestinian structures have been “demolished by Israel”, leading to more than 2,500 Palestinians losing their homes. The majority of the structures, 1,027, were demolished in the West Bank and 178 were in East Jerusalem.

occupations in West Bank since October 7th 2023

It’s time to admit the 2state solution is not going to be possible whilst Israel acts with such impunity,

And the Americans will do anything to keep that fort supplied.

Agreed but I am not sure how useful Netanyahu and his far-right government is to that project.

The tens of thousands of dead innocent Palestinians isn’t doing a great deal to help the United States maintain its position of global moral authority, as it continues to supply the bombs and other weapons to do the killing.

There is some evidence to suggest that Joe Biden’s total and unwavering support for Israel has had a negative effect on his popularity, not just among Muslims voters but also among many Democrat voters.

I am sure that Harris is aware of this and apparently it could effect important swing states such as Michigan. Plus I am sure that there is genuine revulsion on the part of Harris to what is happening in Gaza, let’s not be too cynical.

I am sure that Harris is aware of this and apparently it could effect important swing states such as Michigan. Plus I am sure that there is genuine revulsion on the part of Harris to what is happening in Gaza, let’s not be too cynical.

She’ll have to do  a helluva amount of work to distance herself from previous comments and her support for AIPAC

You can be pro zionist without being pro Netanyahu/far-right. Plenty of American Jews are including no doubt her husband.

For the record I am opposed to zionism full stop, but I fully accept that not all zionists are the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/29/uk-israel-palestinian-territories-icj-advisory-opinion-philippe-sands-kc

An interesting comment:

“Anything that is produced in the occupied territories, such as food, or that is sold there over the internet, is in principle subject to the international prohibition, if it can be said to aid or assist in the maintenance of the unlawful occupation,”

In the case of the main high street supermarkets I believe that they all have a policy of not sourcing produce for the illegally occupied territories. Although how rigidly they stick to their policies is probably debatable.

Meanwhile, the killing continues unabated.

Since everyone is obviously aware of the ongoing slaughter occuring in Occupied Palestine is that remark to be taken as a criticism of the comments made by Philippe Sands KC, who is a member of Palestine’s legal team at the ICJ?

Another two Aljazerra journalists deliberately targeted by an Israeli airstrike by the most moral army in the world. Twitter link is ok to view as it’s a previous pic of him, unlike the others on Twitter.

Ismail al-Ghoul and Rami al-Rifai

https://x.com/hamza_a96/status/1818662885976887489?s=61&t=27Xz8oI3pGlaNEQvowJBcg

Since everyone is obviously aware of the ongoing slaughter occuring in Occupied Palestine is that remark to be taken as a criticism of the comments made by Philippe Sands KC, who is a member of Palestine’s legal team at the ICJ?

Not really. It’s to be taken as a criticism of anyone who imagines that the rulings of the ICJ and reports of this that and the other august bodies are worth the smallest whiff of intestinal gas in the real world where Israel does precisely what it wants, including now murdering the negotiator they were pretending to discuss a ceasefire with.

So the answer is yes then, it is a criticism of Philippe Sands KC a member of Palestine’s legal team at the ICJ, since as you can see he believes that it is a positive step forward.

The question is whether your opinion on recent developments is more valid than his?

So the answer is yes then, it is a criticism of Philippe Sands KC a member of Palestine’s legal team at the ICJ, since as you can see he believes that it is a positive step forward.

As you wish

The question is whether your opinion on recent developments is more valid than his?

No need to question – go look out of the window. Has the killing stopped?

Another two Aljazerra journalists deliberately targeted by an Israeli airstrike by the most moral army in the world.

And a child killed as collateral damage. If anyone is still counting.

Torture, abuse, unfit conditions: The allegations over Sde Teiman and its guards

https://www.timesofisrael.com/torture-abuse-unfit-conditions-the-allegations-over-sde-teiman-and-its-guards/

“Anarchic scenes at the Sde Teiman military base and the Beit Lid military court on Monday night rocked Israel and once again opened up deep societal wounds and schisms over the rule of law, judicial authority and the justice system.

Dozens of right-wing and ultranationalist protesters, including MKs and even government ministers, first broke into Sde Teiman after the arrests and then broke into Beit Lid, where they were being held, in an effort to halt the legal proceedings against them.”

Even government ministers! As the failed zionist  experiment disintegrates the rule of law predictably collapses.

I note that the Times of Israel calls concentration camps “detention facilities” which doesn’t sound too bad, reminds me of getting into a bit of trouble at school. Although the photo they publish clearly shows that it is a concentration camp.

BTW when the Nazis first started rounding up communists, trade unionists, socialist, etc, to send them to concentration camps, they talked about taking them into “protective custody”, which sounds quite nice too.

The Israeli lobby groups are attacking the BBC for antisemitism, yep…….they’re on the prowl and throwing shit around to see what sticks

More than 200 people from the TV and film industry have signed a letter to the BBC board calling for an urgent investigation into what it called “systemic problems of antisemitism and bias” at the corporation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crg4yvl4nnxo