[Closed] Fuel over £1.40 per litre....

Because its pointless?

oh no he's back with that old one again 🙁

Because I can still move myslef and 2 tones of metal 300miles for £40, seems reasnoble.

And half an hour spent terroroising horses, cyclists and ramblers on B-roads in the MG is still cheeper than the same time spent in the pub.

15p off a litre at morrisons if you spend over £60...

Filled up yesterday and it cost over £100.

Ouch.

Why is no one making more of a fuss?

Hooray for the Great British Apathy!!!

15p off a litre at morrisons if you spend over £60

Ah, thanks for reminding me about that! For my car (60 litre tank), that would save me £9, although in reality I never run it dry so it's more like 50/55 litres ... still a 7 or 8 £ saving ... although I usually get my shopping delivered as I find physically going to the store ends up costing me extra due to the "ooh, that looks nice.." syndrome, so I suspect shopping at Morrisons for cheaper fuel wouldn't actually save me anything 🙂

Won't be long before its £1.50. Then £1.60. Then £1.70. And so on

And it'll make eff all difference. The fat, bone idle population of this country will still carry on driving their 4x4's. Some Lardy truckers may drive slowly down a motorway [s]if[/s] when it hits £2.00

If I was just using the stuff for fun then I don't see the problem, but £120 for 540 miles in the van is going to cripple our business 🙁

"If I was just using the stuff for fun then I don't see the problem, but £120 for 540 miles in the van is going to cripple our business"

Then your going to have to find a way of doing your business differently.

FD, we've tried everything I can think of, yes even thought of pedal power, but how do you move mowers, strimmers, fuel and a couple of tons of garden waste around ? Seriously if you have any ideas then I'm listening. We looked into electric but £51000 for a peugot boxer with a 60 mile range ain't going to work.

When I cycle to work I see, at a guess, 3 other cyclists, 20 pedestrians, 50 people on buses and 500 cars.
Fuel is far too cheap.

^ just a thought ... should the Govt subsidise business mileage?

dropoff - all your rivals will be in the same position - its a level playing field. You just have to increase prices to cover the increased fuel

Cos it's been around £1.30 for ages and ages, and each 10p increase is proportionally less.

Quentin Wilson was on the telly this morning claiming it cost £140 to fill a family car. Like hell - if you start twisting facts or taking extreme cases to further your argument it's only going to turn people off. My car has a giant tank and still only costs about £85 to fill.

FD, we've tried everything I can think of, yes even thought of pedal power, but how do you move mowers, strimmers, fuel and a couple of tons of garden waste around ?

Interesting problem this. I wonder.....

Maybe like-minded local businesses could collaborate and 'van-share' as it were. So you all pay for a van and a driver who drives around all day servicing half a dozen local outfits....

[i]And it'll make eff all difference. The fat, bone idle population of this country will still carry on driving their 4x4's. Some Lardy truckers may drive slowly down a motorway if when it hits £2.00 [/i]

this. until someone has the balls to hike prices properly (which they won't because the Daily Mail voters would then end their political careers) it ain't going to make the slightest difference.

TJ, yeah great idea, unfortunately it won't work. People like you just stop having the work done and do it themselves. Theyre being squeezed too.

Wanna come lay some paving slabs for us dropoff?

If I was just using the stuff for fun then I don't see the problem, but £120 for 540 miles in the van is going to cripple our business

Either pass that onto your customers, be more efficient (molgrips has a good idea) or do fewer miles.

yeah great idea, unfortunately it won't work. People like you just stop having the work done and do it themselves. Theyre being squeezed too.

No they won't, as they have to pay for the petrol too. If custom does drop then it's the pricing elswhere that's at fault, not the petrol.

^ just a thought ... should the Govt subsidise business mileage?

When I cycle to work I see, at a guess, 3 other cyclists, 20 pedestrians, 50 people on buses and 500 cars.
Fuel is far too cheap.

Maybe, but along with alcohol, its a shame that people can't be persuaded out of their cars by the attraction of fitness and wellbeing, rather than the fact they are taxed out of it financially...

Im a IT Consultant, I drive about 1000 miles per month. I cant ride to my customers, there are deadlines to be met and arriving on my bike serveral hours after a server has gone down is not an option.

My business is slowly being crippled. Ideas?

When I cycle to work I see, at a guess, 3 other cyclists, 20 pedestrians, 50 people on buses and 500 cars.
Fuel is far too cheap.

Possibly.

Although a lot of people have made choices on where to live in relation to their work and family/friends based on the ability to run a car. (as a balance, there are also people who are just downright bl$$dy bone-idle).

There will be people who have no alternative but to drive, other than moving house or finding a different job.

Fortunately for me I can cycle to work (it's a choice, but wouldn't be too big a deal if it was a necessity). However, to get to work on public transport takes around 2 hours on various combinations of bus, train & walking. I only live 11.5 miles from my office.

Society will need to move back to living a more 'local' life in the face of running a car becoming unaffordable.

Goodness knows how, or if, that'll ever work.

As an aside, my wife thinks it's acceptable to drive our 5yo son the 1 mile to school 😕 This kind of mentality isn't helping anyone(fortunately she can't drive. yet.)

This [url= http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/petrolprices.html ]link[/url] implies that fuel prices have increased 25% in real terms since 1983. Given that we have chosen to this over time by selecting governments which have deliberately increased fuel tax over inflation to try to reduce road travel - it does not seem a lot.

My business is slowly being crippled. Ideas?

None of your competitors can get cheaper fuel, so why is it a problem?

As a general point, fuel is still a fairly small component of the overall cost of running a car.

@dropoff - some kind of fuel surcharge on your prices for greater distance travelled?

dawson - you are Richard Branson and I claim my £5! 😀

Fuel over £1.40 per litre....

ohnohesback - Member

Why is no one making more of a fuss?

when did you last check your tyre pressure?

i think that fuel is expensive, but it seems most people don't. i'll believe they do when they start taking even the smallest steps to use less.

like: checking their tyre pressure regularly.

like: sticking to speed limits - and not full-beaming those that do.

I can't see any easy answers but there observations that you see that make you think why does it happen this way:

eg. People will commute to other counties for work, where as another person will make the exact opposite journey to commute to their work.

Companies bid for work miles from their base eg. the firm that cleans the windows in our office have to travel 100 miles to get here, but there must be other local window cleaning co's.

Subsidise electric cars. I can't have one as I commute >100 miles per day, but my wife travels 20 miles per day. We can't afford to spend £25k on an electric car though.

Im a IT Consultant, I drive about 1000 miles per month. I cant ride to my customers, there are deadlines to be met and arriving on my bike serveral hours after a server has gone down is not an option.

My business is slowly being crippled. Ideas?

Encourage your customers to use a datacentre near to you, so you don't have to travel?

Use a very efficient car

Bike + train + bike

Pass on the cost of fuel to your customers

Drop customers who are further away and try to get more local business

Collaborate with competitors; is there someone nearer to the customer who is currently driving to a customer near to you?

And it'll make eff all difference. The fat, bone idle population of this country will still carry on driving their 4x4's. Some Lardy truckers may drive slowly down a motorway if when it hits £2.00

Christ, did someone have an embarrassing fat mother, get called Fat Bob at school, some deep resentment towards fat people (4x4's and lorries too)

Im a [s]IT Consultant[/s] architect, I [s]drive[/s] cycle about 1000 miles per month. I [s]cant[/s] ride to my customers, there are deadlines to be met and arriving on my bike [s]serveral hours after a server has gone down[/s] before those held up by the Jubilee Line falling over is [s]not an option[/s] ace.
My business is [s]slowly being crippled[/s] actively recruiting. Ideas?

No they won't, as they have to pay for the petrol too.

I don't have to pay for petrol to clean up my own garden.

i think that fuel is expensive, but it seems most people don't. i'll believe they do when they start taking even the smallest steps to use less

Fuel usage has been going down for a few years, so someone is.

aP - it's different in London. Most of your clients will be a bike ride away. If you are servicing clients spread out across regional towns and citiies who could be 100 miles away in any direction, cycling becomes impractical.

If you are servicing clients spread out across regional towns and citiies who could be 100 miles away in any direction, [s]cycling becomes impractical.[/s] your competition will have the same fuel bills as you.

dogbert - no resentment. I'm hardly svelte myself.

But what amazes me when I drop my kids off at school, for example, is how many people (usually in the ubiquitous 4x4) appear to have, to all intents and purposes, completely lost the use of their legs.

They want to drive literally from door to door. Everywhere! Parking 1/2 a mile away and walking down (which the school keep suggesting) seems tantamount to child abuse in their eyes

I have noticed that the M6 seems a bit slower than normal at the WE, doing 80 was above average whereas a few months back I'd have been passed by just about everyone bar the lorries.

It'll take ages, but we'll all just to have to stop travelling round so much.

If fuel was cheaper, the roads would fill up.

Number of people taking the driving test is already in sharp decline.

I would guess that the number of people taking a driving test is more influenced by the cost of insurance for 17 year olds and the chances of getting a job to pay for it.

Hooray for the Great British Apathy!!!

This. I rarely drive these days, but it would be nice if the cost of public transport was slashed in line with fuel duty increases to give us some kind of alternative.

Write to your MPs and complain about the latter, people...

I've been looking for a job nearer home as the fuel costs are starting to get stupid. But, there's not a great deal around.
Since about September last year I have been driving at 60mph, which does help the fuel go further. But it is frustrating when you drive as economically as possible and then get caught in a 20min traffic jam that undoes all your saintly efforts.

aP - so you live in/near London where public transport is leagues ahead of anywhere else. Most major cities have decent public transport, but a lot of places have very disjointed public transport systems to get people where they need to go.
At my previous place of work, commute time by car was a little over an hour. I broke my hand and had to go by public transport - it took 4.5hrs each way.....I literally could have cycled it quicker (although would have been absolutely knackered).
I would like to have the option of public transport, but it really isn't viable. People are being forced out of their cars, but I don't think there is enough being done to bolster alternative means of transport, in parallel.

One of the issues around cycling seems to be that towns & cities aren't designed to accommodate safe cycling. It's all very well people going on about commuting by bike on a cycling forum, but for average joe the thought of cycling on busy roads, getting amongst the traffic and battling it everyday is a no-go (well, it is at least with people I have spoken to about it).
For example, I live in a town about 10 miles from the centre of Peterborough. If I found a job in the centre of Peterborough and wanted to cycle in, I would have to cycle along several miles of NSL dual carriageway, followed by several miles of 50/40 dual carriageway where the lanes are quite narrow & there really isn't adequate space for cycling. I do see people cycling occasionally along this route and other vehicles end up either waiting for them & overtaking safely which results in large queues or people pass very closely & dangerously. The routes into the city would need large scale re-work for a larger amount of people to feel comfortable cycling to work.

I've just gome through the office relocation thing and from doing 300 miles a week for work I'm doing zero! I was driving miss daisy to eek out the MPG and keep the costs down.
The offset is that I'm now having to use public transport which is costing me about the same per week as fuel if i buy a weekly travel card. Mind you the office is now a further 45 miles away (each way) so potentially another 450 miles a week if I was driving.
I must be in the minority as in my case public transport is dirt cheap compared to the car. Actually, if I bought a year long season ticket for £1150 it'll cost me 3.3p a mile to be driven to and from the office. Mind you if I got the train it would be a different story!

"There will be people who have no alternative but to drive, other than moving house or finding a different job."

This happened to me. We used to live in Sheffield. Mrs FD's company relocated her to West Yorkshire (no choice in the matter) and because over the course of 8 years they will move her around various locations in West Yorkshire, and because she works very long tiring shifts we thought it was better that we live nearer her work. So for me that means a 100 mile a day commute. Which takes me about 1.5 hours each way.

To do the same journey on public transport would take 3 hrs each way.

Also I have been looking for a job since we moved to Bradford, 2.5 years ago, and as yet unfortunately I have not been sucesful in getting a job nearer to home.

So my only current option is to commute by car or don't work...

Also I have been looking for a job since we moved to Bradford, 2.5 years ago, and as yet unfortunately I have not been sucesful in getting a job nearer to home.

So my only current option is to commute by car or don't work...

You mean a job that you want to do/earns enough money to keep you in the lifestyle you want. Not meant as a criticism btw. But I bet there are other options, just not ones that you want to take.

I would have to cycle along several miles of NSL dual carriageway, followed by several miles of 50/40 dual carriageway where the lanes are quite narrow & there really isn't adequate space for cycling

Are you sure there's no alternative Stumpy? I ride into work in the centre of Birmingham and a couple of minutes looking at a map for alternative routes mean that I don't go anywhere near the nightmare busy roads.

1. Many of the people on the road each morning are driving to an office to use a PC (often slower than the one at home) and a phone. This IMHO is bonkers - safety, environment, cost, time yadda yadda yadda. It contributes to the demand for fuel and hence the increasing price.

2. The oil firms can charge as much as they can get away with. They are in business, not providing a service. The tax element is not increasing at anyware near the same rate.

3. Plenty of people on my estate still drive the kids to school in big 4x4, then go straight home. I know this as it takes us only about 5% longer to walk there and back. I can't see anything below about £20 per litre stopping this.

Start my new job on Thursday after being made redundant 8 mths ago. Last job was 60 mile drive daily. New job 30 min cycle on back lanes and through National Trust permitted cycleway.Car can stay at home!

There is an alternative, a very good one. Road pricing. Cut VED, it's basically pointless as, although it's based on CO2 emissions, it doesn't take into account the mileage you're doing. That'll save businesses a fortune, a fleet of lorries can be paying £100,000 a year in VED easily.

Then you pay to use the roads and you pay for fuel. Pay weighted to size/pollution of vehicle, time you're driving and the roads you're driving on. Want to drive a 4x4 into town at rush hour? That'll cost you a fortune. Want to drive some EcoMotion thing along a motorway in the middle of the night? Costs peanuts.

That's the only way out of this mess that we've created for ourselves. Get people actually thinking about the cost of each individual journey. The technology already exists, unfortunately, we're going to have to be in total gridlock (or complete economic downfall due to the price of fuel) before a political party has the balls to implement it

unfortunately, we're going to have to be in total gridlock

But, fortunately, we're not far from this situation 🙂

All it takes here is for a minor prang during rush hour and the traffic's stationary all over town.

"You mean a job that you want to do/earns enough money to keep you in the lifestyle you want. Not meant as a criticism btw. But I bet there are other options, just not ones that you want to take."

I agree to some extent. All the commuting I currently do is not good for my lifestyle or health! I thought about re-training and doing a more practical job (currently accountancy) but that takes time and money, its all a vicious circle really...

crazylegs for PM!

Im a IT Consultant, I drive about 1000 miles per month. I cant ride to my customers, there are deadlines to be met and arriving on my bike serveral hours after a server has gone down is not an option.

My business is slowly being crippled. Ideas?

1000 miles per month, lots and lots of cars can do that for under 100 quids worth of petrol, so lets say your car isn't particularly economical, but isn't a gas guzzler either, and it costs you 150. If you half the price of fuel, you will save 75 a month, if your business is being crippled for the sake of 75 quid a month you are doing something very very wrong.

1. Many of the people on the road each morning are driving to an office to use a PC (often slower than the one at home) and a phone. This IMHO is bonkers - safety, environment, cost, time yadda yadda yadda. It contributes to the demand for fuel and hence the increasing price.

Yep, I now pretty much only drive when the company is picking up the tab, I work from home (ITSM) the rest of the time and save about £25 a week.

FunkyDunc - how much is it costing you in fuel to drive for 3 hours a day? What about the value of your time? 3 hours a day is 3 times what I was doing so that must be getting on for £75 a week, or £300 a month, add a bit for quality of life and you could take a job paying £500 less a month. If you can either do that job from home or cycle to you could arguably be better off. Especially if you ditched the car completely and saved all the running costs!

There is an alternative, a very good one. Road pricing. Cut VED, it's basically pointless as, although it's based on CO2 emissions, it doesn't take into account the mileage you're doing. That'll save businesses a fortune, a fleet of lorries can be paying £100,000 a year in VED easily.

Then you pay to use the roads and you pay for fuel. Pay weighted to size/pollution of vehicle, time you're driving and the roads you're driving on. Want to drive a 4x4 into town at rush hour? That'll cost you a fortune. Want to drive some EcoMotion thing along a motorway in the middle of the night? Costs peanuts.

This option has been aired a few times, and I'm absolutely baffled by it. The amount of fuel you use (and therefore the amount of tax you pay on it) is directly related to vehicle economy, distance traveled, and smoothness of driving i.e. not stop-start in a traffic jam. Why spend literally billions on implementing some ludicrously complicated system that also (if you have your tin-foil hat on) could quite easily be used to track your every movement, when fuel excise does exactly this already?

This option has been aired a few times, and I'm absolutely baffled by it. The amount of fuel you use (and therefore the amount of tax you pay on it) is directly related to vehicle economy, distance traveled, and smoothness of driving i.e. not stop-start in a traffic jam. Why spend literally billions on implementing some ludicrously complicated system that also (if you have your tin-foil hat on) could quite easily be used to track your every movement, when fuel excise does exactly this already?

Fuel duty does part of it, but not the time/location part.

Nick - Tried that... but when I have applied for jobs paying less in accountancy I have been told I am over qualified for the jobs I am going for 😐

FunkyDunc - is accountancy not something you can do freelance/on your own? Driving that far would make me stressed out and miserable, and as above what is your time worth?

Some day in the none too distant future we're going to run out of cheap fuel. This is the beginning. As the price of fuel goes up, research into alternatives will increase, and people will adapt (eg, not commute to work 100 miles each way etc.)

Better it increases gradually and people have time to adapt than suddenly going up to £10 a litre in 10 years time.

Grum - unfortunately not. I've always been in large business accounts ie top FTSE25, so therefore only know large business accountancy, which means I know all the basics for small business but wouldnt be able to advise a small business correctly.

I see a future where there will be butchers, grocers, hardware shops etc on the local main rd, people will work close by their homes and walk to work. There will be a community spirit as people will have time to chat to their neighbours on the walk to work or down the shops...... 😉

I can't see that working wors. Where in your fevered little imagination dig you dig that vision of insanity from?

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These threads always turn out the same.

The Do-Gooders, who have set themselves up to work local.
( Teachers, local Gov workers )
Administer admonishment to those who do the the jobs the do-gooders can't or won't ( private sector ).

Sad, circular, debate which achieves nothing but to give the anti carists a dose of Smug for berating the car drivers who rise to the bait.

Of course, its so transparent.
If the anti carists had to drive for work, to pay the mortgage, etc.
Then they'd be defending the place of personal, private transport.

But as they don't, they get the knives out.

Never ceases to amaze me at how quick folk are to have a go at something, which they do not participate in themselves.
I've seen the anti carists on here bend, distort and fake the [i]truth[/i] in order to support their anti car stance.

Carry on.
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This option has been aired a few times, and I'm absolutely baffled by it. The amount of fuel you use (and therefore the amount of tax you pay on it) is directly related to vehicle economy, distance traveled, and smoothness of driving i.e. not stop-start in a traffic jam. Why spend literally billions on implementing some ludicrously complicated system that also (if you have your tin-foil hat on) could quite easily be used to track your every movement, when fuel excise does exactly this already?

Because it's not just linked to the actual burning of fuel in a car. It's linked in to the fact that people get into their cars at the same time each morning and evening and (as mentioned above) all drive into a town/city, clog up the roads in the process, cause massive wear and tear to the roads and all for what? We need to get out of this 9-5 grind, be a bit more flexible in how we work, when we journey and how we do it. A lot of supermarkets/freight companies etc already take deliveries at night as it's quicker - less traffic means the lorry isn't sat around in a queue, burning gallons of fuel going nowhere.

An intelligently designed road pricing system gives people the best of all worlds. Flexible working, less traffic so those who DO have to drive can get there more quickly and with better fuel economy, more people on bikes/walking/on public transport so a more pleasant place to live/work and the money generated goes back into providing better public transport, more bike hire, more cycle paths. One of the few cases where tax ring-fencing is a good thing; the money generated by road pricing HAS to be seen to be going straight back into providing better transport.

exactly zokes. Increase tax on petrol abolish VED. make the polluter pay.

10 years or so ago fuel prices went over the £1 per litre and there were fuel blockades etc.

So, if fuel prices have gone up 40% in 10 years, that (in very simple maths terms) is 4% per year. That's not a lot.

OK, maybe it's 40% in 8 years, or 9 years, but it is still only 5% or 6% per year. This is hardly a massive increase.

Although we have 4 cars in the family, and I have changed my cars to have fuel efficient cars (easy on my car scheme), I would say that there is still a big margin until fuel prices are "too high". Fuel's expensive, but not too expensive (yet).

[i]make the polluter pay. [/i]

And whats your stance on Mass produced Meat, Farm animals.
TJ ?.
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An [b]intelligently designed[/b] road pricing system gives people the best of all worlds.

Ain't going to happen in this country then.

[i]Ain't going to happen in this country then.[/i]

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exactly zokes. Increase tax on petrol abolish VED. make the polluter pay.

That's what I said ^^ but it needs tying into a better and more comprehensive system to make it work properly.

As an initial step though, it's a start - gets the motoring press and public a bit more onside.

I can't see that working wors. Where in your fevered little imagination dig you dig that vision of insanity from?

Gawd knows, must have had too much cheese last night and dreamt a strange dream.

Fuel duty does part of it, but not the time/location part.

Course it does, choose to travel in the rush hour and you'll use more fuel and pay more tax. 🙄

Fuel tax is unavoidable, directly related to what you drive, how you drive and where you go at what time. There's already a good system for collecting it.

Road pricing is arbitrary, would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to properly enforce. Money spent on road pricing schemes would be better diverted into public transport, cycleways and subsidy / development of greener transport technologies.

They already do, you can claim the VAT back, so business petrol is 20% cheeper.

[vat pedant] claiming back the vat makes fuel 16.66667% cheaper [/vat pedant] 🙂

large418 - Member
10 years or so ago fuel prices went over the £1 per litre and there were fuel blockades etc.

So, if fuel prices have gone up 40% in 10 years, that (in very simple maths terms) is 4% per year. That's not a lot.

OK, maybe it's 40% in 8 years, or 9 years, but it is still only 5% or 6% per year. This is hardly a massive increase.

Although we have 4 cars in the family, and I have changed my cars to have fuel efficient cars (easy on my car scheme), I would say that there is still a big margin until fuel prices are "too high". Fuel's expensive, but not too expensive (yet).

Something costing £1 in 2000 would cost £1.39 in 2011 just through inflation.

I see a future where there will be butchers, grocers, hardware shops etc on the local main rd, people will work close by their homes and walk to work. There will be a community spirit as people will have time to chat to their neighbours on the walk to work or down the shops

Hooray for the great human short-sightedness!

Progress has been so successful that things were actually better the way they used to be in the 70's.

We've raped the Earth's natural resources just to end up wishing we were back where we started.

Humans. How stupid are they.

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Solo - Member

These threads always turn out the same.

[b]The Do-Gooders[/b], who have set themselves up to work local.

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Never ceases to amaze me at how quick folk are to have a go at something, which they do not participate in themselves.

I'm amazed you're amazed, since you're doing it yourself in the first line of your post 🙄

My bus pass costs have gone down about 13% this month 😆

An intelligently designed road pricing system

Hmmmm. That would be one not designed by humans then?

[i]exactly zokes. Increase tax on petrol abolish VED. make the polluter pay.

That's what I said ^^ but it needs tying into a better and more comprehensive system to make it work properly.

As an initial step though, it's a start - gets the motoring press and public a bit more onside.
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Luv this.
STW anti carists in [b]double standards[/b] shocker !.

Its alright to make car based polluters [i]pay[/i].

While its still ok to subsidize meat production which contributes more Environmental damage.
Surely if your rule of thumb is making the polluter pay, then we should be seeing the price of meat increasing ?.

You guys are unreal.

TandemJeremy - Member
Increase tax on petrol abolish VED.

That'll never happen because then the motorists won't be able to use anti-cycle argument of "you don't even pay road tax"

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crazy-legs - Member
We need to get out of this 9-5 grind, be a bit more flexible in how we work, when we journey and how we do it.

I agree with this. I asked at work about coming in early & leaving early to avoid traffic at both ends of the day. It was more fuel efficient as I wasn't having to wait at the usual bottlenecks, I would be saving at least 15 mins each way on my commute and it made no difference to my ability to get my work done.

I was told point blank that your hours are 9-5 and you signed the contract that states that. Tough.
Thing is, I tried it for a week before asking (to see if it actually helped) and I was getting in a lot earlier and not leaving that much earlier, so I was probably doing 30 mins more unpaid work/day than I had been doing.

[i]My bus pass costs have gone down about 13% this month[/i]

Or to put it another way.
Your burden upon the rest of us has just been increased.
Thanks !.
Nothing like carrying the public transport parasites.
Buses where I use to live, were allowed to run one Euro emissions generation older engines than private vehicles.
So, while sitting on your bus, just spare a thought for me, paying for your seat, while your bus chuggs along polluting, on subsidies.
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I do spare a thought for you. I'm doing it now, see?
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[i]I do spare a thought for you. I'm doing it now, see?
😆 [/i]

Oh yeah, I can see that.
You, the giggling fool.

But still, I'm happier making my way through the world without receiving any charity.

So, laugh to your hearts' content.
I'll allow you that small pleasure, those whos minds are easily/simply amused.

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Or to put it another way.
Your burden upon the rest of us has just been increased.
Thanks !.
Nothing like carrying the public transport parasites.

Most bus services are run by private companies on a profit-making basis. So you could not be more wrong. You could try to be more wrong, but you would be unsuccessful.

Never ceases to amaze me at how quick folk are to have a go at something, which they do not participate in themselves.

It's probably beyond your limited imagination, but have you ever considered that some of us have participated in long-distance commuting in the past, but decided to change our lives rather than whinging about the price of fuel on here?