Forum House of Commons vote on air strikes in Syria – which way will you vote?

I can’t believe that Lucy Allan! That is surely a sackable offence?

I dunno about sackable but it’s a bloody disgrace and shouldn’t go unsanctioned, imho.

I dunno about sackable but it’s a bloody disgrace and shouldn’t go unsanctioned, imho.

Wasting police time maybe?

Absolutely agree outofbreath. Not sackable but when her constituents hear of it it will be (rightly) damaging.

Her ‘explanation’ is just unbelievable!

Her ‘explanation’ is just unbelievable!

….and if you read the ‘abuse’ in the context of the whole mail it’s not really abusive at all – the tone of the mail in its entirety is reasonable and nonthreatening.

Tough to trust OUR representatives at the best of times, but particularly at times like this

Yip.

Wow, I agree with THM on something.

Tough to trust OUR representatives at the best of times, but particularly at times like this

I actually trust Corbyn.

Each to their own…

I certainly don’t trust that little shite Hilary Benn.

Absolutely agree outofbreath. Not sackable but when her constituents hear of it it will be (rightly) damaging.

Nah, most wont know about it, others wont care and the few that do would have been voting for someone else.

Each to their own…

Well yes and as a committed Tory supporter when Cameron got caught lying you came out with the tried and tested “all politicians lie” line.

And it works very well – even wanmankylung accepted it.

Very good @kona 🙂

@Lifer do you recognise this person ? TV news used the MEMRI piece on him from a year ago “preaching” from a trench in Syria

I actually trust Corbyn.

Me too

Yawn

A man walks into an empty room…..

A man walks into an empty room…..

😀

Well if Bob isn’t smart enough to kick the door or bang his head on it then he’s beyond help. IGMC.

there’s a joke about wood in there somewhere…

#ontheline call in with ViceNews journalist who has reported from inside Syria and Iraq was asked “are air strikes effective?” His answer was a clear yes. The Peshmerga/Kurds say they could not have held Kobani or liberated Sinjar without airstrikes and in fact they wanted more and a faster coalition approval process. Journalist also noted that IS could no longer move around freely in convoys.

Also as an aside he mentioned that the Turks seem more concerned with the Kurds and PKK than IS and Kurds believe the Turks are supporting/turning a blind eye towards IS

None of the seven terror plots foiled in the UK over the past year was directed from Syria, senior MPs have been told by security and intelligence sources.

Was the Paris one?

ontheline call in with ViceNews journalist who has reported from inside Syria and Iraq was asked “are air strikes effective?” His answer was a clear yes

Nice anecdote, stunningly impartial response there and a lovely appeal to authority.

Journalists eh what a great bunch of revered truth tellers they are.

5/10

Have you not been reading ANY news JY?

Was the Paris one?

No, they were all French or Belgian citizens

Also as an aside he mentioned that the Turks seem more concerned with the Kurds and PKK than IS and Kurds believe the Turks are supporting/turning a blind eye towards IS

As I said, they (IS) appear to be pawns in the real power struggle and a brief look at a map suggests theyre a very effective Turkish expeditionary force.

Nothing like bombing some brown people to get our collective mojo back.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14129765.Osborne__UK_has__got_its_mojo_back__with_air_strikes/

#strangest

Are we bombing them because they are brown?

Thats gonna keep us busy.

Are we bombing them because they are brown?

Don’t think so. After all some of us are brown too.

The Peshmerga/Kurds say they could not have held Kobani or liberated Sinjar without airstrikes and in fact they wanted more and a faster coalition approval process. Journalist also noted that IS could no longer move around freely in convoys.

It’s a problem. I’m broadly anti air strikes. But it isn’t simple. Most people would support an air strike to help an individual town of Shias/Yazidis protect themselves from Sunni(ISIS) attack. Most people would not support air strikes to help Shia’s over run a Sunni town and wreak revenge.

Also as an aside he mentioned that the Turks seem more concerned with the Kurds and PKK than IS and Kurds believe the Turks are supporting/turning a blind eye towards IS

That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. Not many people will need reminding that Turks are mostly Sunni, they are much more at risk from Kurds who they’ve been fighting for years than they are from Sunnis.

You’re barking up the wrong tree. Kurds are mostly Sunni too.

The Turkish-Kurdish tension isn’t about religion, it’s about land (and money, and jobs, and language).

…. But it isn’t simple. …

Finally.

You’re barking up the wrong tree. Kurds are mostly Sunni too.
The Turkish-Kurdish tension isn’t about religion, it’s about land (and money, and jobs, and language).

Thanks I didn’t know Kurds were Sunni. But Religion/tribe/ethnicity, whatever. According to Wikipedia Kurds are ethnically distinct from Turks and whatever we call Iraqi/Syrian Sunnis. I can well imagine ISIS might not consider them their own and Turkey have been at war with them for years.

…for whatever reason Turkey are less bothered by ISIS than they are by Kurds, and they probably have reasons that seem good to them. And we’re supposed to be on Turkey’s side.

Finally.

Excellent, both sides think I’m wrong. I’m a proper centerist.

britians got it’s mojo back

what a prick.

Excellent, both sides think I’m wrong. I’m a proper centerist.

You’re in trouble. This place is like US prison, you have to be in a gang to survive.

You’re in trouble. This place is like US prison, you have to be in a gang to survive.

😀

Was the Paris one?

No, they were all French or Belgian citizens
Many (all?) of whom had travelled to Syria to train/fight with IS and returned to carry out the attacks including by posing as refugees to gain entry to Europe

Many (all?) of whom had travelled to Syria to train/fight with IS and returned to carry out the attacks including by posing as refugees to gain entry to Europe

Right. So ISIL in Syria is a direct threat to the UK. The argument that the 7 stopped UK attacks were not planned in Syria (so there is no “direct threat”) is irrelevant, because the Paris one was.

Many (all?) of whom had travelled to Syria to train/fight with IS

One was known to have definitely been to Syria, and trained with IS, 2 others ‘may’ have been to Syria via Turkey, the Turks have them coming in but not going out, which suggests they crossed the porous border.

The others? : no

Right. So ISIL in Syria is a direct threat to the UK. The argument that the 7 stopped UK attacks were not planned in Syria (so there is no “direct threat”) is irrelevant, because the Paris one was.

Yes, bombing an entirely different country because some of our own citizens are a bit stupid, makes entirely good sense…

Third Bataclan attacker now identified, originally from Strasbourg but travelled to fight in Syria before returning to carry out the attacks.

Ceasefire agreed in Homs with city returning to government control

Ceasefire agreed in Homs with city returning to government control

The Citizens of Syria still think that Assad is the real danger, so I imagine they won’t be massively happy about it.