Forum House of Commons vote on air strikes in Syria – which way will you vote?

Surely an MP’s job, once elected, is to represent all their constituents, not just their supporters or party interests

Sound, so CMD can represent the 60-odd% of us that didn’t vote for him and **** off?

We do have some knowledge and communication with troops on the ground because US & UK forces have been on the ground also. Plus there are various westerners fighting against ISIS also.

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Jesus, so we are expected to rely on a bunch of loners and oddballs who can’t even speak Arabic (or Kurdish) and who run around getting in arguments with other foreign weirdos?

Defeating Isis and helping establish some stability may.

Defeating ‘ISIS’ (or whatever it’s being called this week) could conceivably be possibly militarily (bough it’ll take a damn sight more than a few tornadoes and fancy showcase bombs, for sure). Defeating the ideology that spawned ISIS is not going to happen through bombing, and in fact will most probably be catalysed by such actions. As has been said many, many times by people on this thread more eloquent than I.

You can’t defeat a martyrdom ideology by creating more martyrs.

seems like theres a lot of jihadi sympathisers in the country

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Klunk – Member
seems like theres a lot of jihadi sympathisers in the country

Yeah but that’s just hysterical left wing reporting from a bunch of pacifist yoghurt knitters who don’t understand the capabilities of the Sceptre2000 missile system.

Without a full-scale good old fashioned invasion – boots on the ground in massive strength and supporting armour – with naval back up and air cover, Daesh will not be wiped off the face of the planet as they should be.

So I’d vote against.

These 70,000 ‘moderate troops’ ready to join our noble cause are, just… like….. soooooooo this years ’45 minutes to launch WMD’s at the the West’.

They only exist in Dave’s head

Is there anyone (Dave and Jammers excepted) who actually believes that shit?

If this wasn’t so serious it’d be absolutely laughable to try and wheel that out as some kind of justification, while keeping a straight face

In reality it’ll amount to 12 people who are ever so fractionally less psychotic than the beheady ones, but still hate us anyway

I believe that there are 70,000 (or so) blokes with guns, if that’s any help? Dunno how ‘moderate’ or even ‘friendly’ they are though. Maybe Dave needs to send them a link to a surveymonkey. They seem a popular way to prove things at work at the moment. (We even had a survey to ask why we didn’t bother filling in the last survey, but I digress).

“Yes … we’re definitely on your side. Could you just leave the massive pile of weapons and ammo there please…

No, no, no… I can categorically assure you that they definitely won’t end up being used against you. Honest!

…. and if you’d be so kind as to launch your air strikes over on that hill over there. Yes, yes … they’re definitely the bad guys. Thanks ”

jimjam I’ll see you and raise you

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My 11 year old daughter came into the lounge this morning whilst i was watching the news and saw the headline on the tv that said “Vote on airstrikes”,
“Are you going to vote dad?” she asked me, I explained that it was only our elected representatives that got to vote in parliament,
“Oh no, they always make the wrong decision” was her response.

Wisdom beyond her years.

“Yes … we’re definitely on your side. Could you just leave the massive pile of weapons and ammo there please…

No, no, no… I can categorically assure you that they definitely won’t end up being used against you. Honest!

…. and if you’d be so kind as to launch your air strikes over on that hill over there. Yes, yes … they’re definitely the bad guys. Thanks “

And on the other side…

“Abdul! Those Stingers from the Afghan conflict! I think it’s time to dig them out.”

Seems like Cameron is really rattled judging from his ridiculous ‘terrorist sympathisers’ outburst. Never in my life have I heard such inflammatory and ill-judged language from a sitting PM. The tragedy is that he’ll still win due to a group of labour MPs who have either taken leave of their senses or are using the issue to damage Corbyn.

“Yes … we’re definitely on your side. Could you just leave the massive pile of weapons and ammo there please…
No, no, no… I can categorically assure you that they definitely won’t end up being used against you. Honest!
…. and if you’d be so kind as to launch your air strikes over on that hill over there. Yes, yes … they’re definitely the bad guys. Thanks “

“Oh, what will we do with this stuff when we’ve liberated ourselves from Assad? I imagine either we’ll hand it in to the local police station or we’ll just melt it all down ourselves…no, no, there’s definitely no chance this stuff will be moved across our notoriously porous borders and into our unstable neighbours, why would you think that?”

By the sounds of it Dave’s ‘terrorist sympathisers’ is going to come back and haunt him about every 2 minutes along with a demand for an apology.

I might get some t shirts printed. 😀

I guess it’s the same bunch that the US had to admit didn’t exist despite their attempts to give them guns and money.

You know in the 3rd Lord of the Rings film? Where the baddies (you can tell they’re baddies because they look like baddies) are going to overrun the goodies (you can tell they’re goodies because they’re all really really white) and all hope is lost, and nothing can possibly make their plan work… til Viggo Mortenson suddenly remembers he’s got a spare army of magic soldiers that he keeps in his pocket, that nobody ever mentioned before, and they kill all the baddies like it ain’t no thang? That’s the inspiration for Cameron’s 70,000.

It’s not the best basis for foreign policy ever but hey, they can just get around any awkward questions by sitting in silence and ignoring them completely, like the deputy chief of the defence staff did in the foreign affairs select committee.

According to him now, there are another 25,000 as well as the 70,000 Special Magic Troops

But in his questionnaire although they’d ticked yes to the initial question…

1. Are you prepared to fight alongside us against ISIS?

They’d then put a cross by the subsequent question…

2. Will you then participate in some lovely democratic elections, overseen by us, with our chosen candidates.

They then vandalised the questionnaire with stuff about death to the infidel pig-dogs, so we took that as a no

SO if the SNP are going to vote against bombing Syria,
most of Scotland voted for the SNP,
does that make all Scots terrorist sympathisers?

I hear back from my MP this morning…

I have listened very carefully to all of the views, advice and information that I have received in the last few weeks on the question that will be put to Parliament today on Syria. I have met with my own constituency Labour Party where there was a very well informed and comradely debate on this and I have debated this with the local North West Durham Fabian Society. I have been contacted by hundreds of constituents and have received briefings and advice from church leaders and charities. I have also listened to the Prime Minister when he set out his case for bombing Syria. Having listened to all this I have decided that I will voting not to bomb Syria.

I believe that the issue that Parliament should be debating is how to remove the territory from ISIL/Daesh control, achieve an eventual ceasefire amongst other forces and bring about a transitional settlement to end the Civil War. This is an incredibly complex and difficult diplomatic task, but the first steps are already being taken via the Geneva Process.

I do not believe that the PM has made the case for bombing. I have seen no credible plan particularly in relation to what happens when the bombing stops. I cannot see how dropping even more bombs is going to improve things for the people of Syria, 250,000 of whom have already died in this civil war and the suggestion that our bombs are more accurate than two super-powers who are already bombing is, in my view, ludicrous. I do appreciate the arguments about us needing to stand together with our Allies but not sufficiently to justify the Government’s proposed actions.

Finally I cannot see how the UK joining in the current bombing in Syria will help the process, or defeat ISIL/Daesh; and there is a danger that it will unintentionally lead to civilian casualties and deepen the sense of grievance which ISIL/Daesh feeds upon.

I was appalled by the Paris massacres. People going about their business on a Friday night, enjoying a meal, watching a football match or attending a music concert represents the best of human nature. People joining together to deliberately murder other people in pursuit of a twisted ideology represents the worst of human nature. Those who in any way seek to transfer the blame for these actions to Western Governments are wrong but I believe that history shows that the West’s response to past terrorist actions have been disproportionate and have made matters far, far worse.

For all these reasons I will be voting against the Government’s proposal to bomb Syria when it is put before the House of Commons today.

Yours sincerely,

Pat Glass MP

Watching PM question time live now …

Ya, ya, ya … good performance from PM.

It looks like plenty of ‘terrorist sympathisers’ are getting a bit excited there. 😆

By the sounds of it Dave’s ‘terrorist sympathisers’ is going to come back and haunt him about every 2 minutes along with a demand for an apology.

How many times now? They should have a bell for every time he’s reminded of what an idiot he is.

Watching PM question time live now

Try to keep up. PMs question time was cancelled yesterday.

dazh – Member

Watching PM question time live now

Try to keep up. PMs question time was cancelled yesterday. [/quote]

I see … anyway PM is answering questions in the Parliament.

Oh ya … what with this ‘terrorist sympathisers’ that keep going on?

Bloody swivel-eyed are calling us ‘terrorist sympathisers’ … 😆

Looks like some people are getting their knickers in a twist.

The ‘pen-pushers’ need to get the description right coz that is much more important then the current debate. … What? The wrong description? Now let us get the definition right … what? What do you mean the definition is wrong? 😆

does that make all Scots terrorist sympathisers?

No, only 49.98% of them

My MP, who is an utter ****, has posted this up on his website

All the business has been cleared from today’s agenda in the House of Commons and the whole day which has been extended to 10pm will consist of a single debate on the motion set out in my last post. This will give 10 and a half hours of time for debate.

Not surprisingly I have received hundreds of emails urging me to vote against military action. It is clear from most of them that the senders appear not to have a full understanding of the situation in the middle east. the situation is extremely complex. I do not pretend that extending our military action across the border from Iraq to Syria will be a solution on its own to the threat from ISIL but it will, in my opinion, on balance, help defeat ISIL and I will vote for it. I should add that I have add some constituents urge me to vote for the motion.

All it need was for him to pat me on the head, and tell me to leave this to the grown ups

What a patronising ****!!!!

My MP – John Mann gives his reasons here. (Against)

http://www.mann4bassetlaw.com/vote_on_the_raf_taking_part_in_air_strikes_against_isis_in_syria

binners – Member

According to him now, there are another 25,000 as well as the 70,000 Special Magic Troops

But in his questionnaire although they’d ticked yes to the initial question…

He should get Gerard Butler to lead them. He tried it with only 300.

I’d be surpisd if Cameron didn’t get his way – they usually call a vote once they’ve checked with the whips what the outcome will be…it’s very calculated and preplanned…

My MP, who is an utter ****, has posted this up on his website

How bizarre they have said their voters are thick

Even in this letter “some” have said bomb he is admitting that they will ignore the wishes of the vast majority

I guess if they voted for this **** they must be a bit t

The outcome of the vote is not in any doubt. What is interesting is how many Labour MP’s vote against Corbyn, and what happens then.

I wouldn’t concern yourselves with this mythical 70,000 ‘friendlies’ Putin will see them off no problem.

FFS! Let JC(not Jesus Christ) make his speech! Stop shouting! 🙄

Let JC(not Jesus Christ) spells out the details … What are we debating again …? 😛

By the sounds of it Dave’s ‘terrorist sympathisers’ is going to come back and haunt him about every 2 minutes along with a demand for an apology.

Many people have called Corbyn and McDonald terrorist sympathisers, me included. As Cameron said in responce today “their record speaks for itself”

The telling image of the day is one of Corbyn delivering his speech flanked by Benn and Watson both of whom will vote against him and in favour of air strikes.

Having watched the whole debate live so far I can say I’m glad it’s only 12 hours worth and not two days.

Many people have called Corbyn and McDonald terrorist sympathisers, me included

the question is not are some folk saying this the question is

1) is this true

2) will it sway the doubters

Its a no from me on both counts.

Many people have called Corbyn and McDonald terrorist sympathisers, me included.

To be fair though Jammers, you don’t regard Ariel Sharon as a terrorist, whereas I do, so I think we’ll just have to beg to differ on this one.

Having watched the whole debate live so far I can say I’m glad it’s only 12 hours worth and not two days.

We can agree on that though. Its not like anyone is going to change their mind, is it. Its a totally pointless farce

After 12 hours of debate MPs are going to get bored and grizzly. Someone must make reference to Cameron’s porcine dalliance. 🙂

I’ve had to turn it off – was starting to feel all, well, radical and I don’t think my keyboard’s spittleproof 😳