fly tipping not a crime any more

Just found a pile of broken kids’ toys dumped in a lane near where I live. The culprit helpfully left an envelope with their name and address on among the debris. I rang my local police station and was told it was nothing to do with them “because it’s tipping “. Even when you solve the crime for them they don’t want to know. So anyway. I passed it on to the council though I doubt they’ll do much beond clearing it up.

I doubt they’ll do much beond clearing it up.

they can impose fines, too.

Councils are normally pretty hot on fly-tipping because of the cost to them of disposing. Police won;t care as it’s not ‘criminal’.

Local council should deal with it.

Uh…it’s not a crime….and because you don’t think the Council will do anything, that’s their fault?

Not your own prejudices?

The council will (should) follow this up, seeing as the tippee is traceable via an address.

Substantial fineage will (should) be unleashed.

Just off J35 M1 perchance?

Councils can and do follow this sort of thing up. Report it.

Police won;t care as it’s not ‘criminal’.

It most certainly is a crime

But not one that is dealt with by the Police.

Environment Agency / Local Authority are the statutory bodies for environmental crime

So if you were caught in the act by the police what would they do if its not a crime?. Can they arrest you?

You have an address. Ahem… I think you know what needs to be done…..

You can dress up like that too, if it helps

Kinda tempted to pay them a visit myself. I’d be interested to see what kind of person drives 15 miles to dump a load of plastic toys.

Find the right person in the council and they’ll delighted and follow it up pretty sharply. My dad found an invoice amongst some dumped plumbing scrap. Guy from the council was round in less than 45mins to follow it up.

The guy who was on the invoice claimed the rubbish had been in a van he’s sold on, he gave the council guy an address and the council said “thanks, we’ll do you both”

@ binners That’s uncanny. Have we met?

Next door had some hooky ‘tree surgeon’ sort out a couple of their overgrown trees, they also took away some cardboard boxes as a ‘favour’. Council came knocking on their door a week later as the scrotes had tipped the lot randomly somewhere and the cardboard boxes had addresses on them. Gave the contact details of the workers who presumably were collared.

The council should do something about it.

Some councils don’t help matters by refusing entry to their recycling depots to people with domestic waste (ie: if your in a non comercial 4WD or a van).

Others (Stroud Glos) offer no practical solution to asbestos disposal other than directing you to a private company who will (be charging me!) charge £600 for the luxury of sticking your asbestos sheets in their skip (i’m guessing it still ends up in landfill).

You have the address so write the guy a thankyou note saying you collected his kind donation of toys and sold them on eBay for £75.

I’ve reported fly tipping to the police when I witnessed it happening. Police certainly were interested and did follow it up 🙂

RichPenny – well, likewise which is why I was surprised they didn’t show any interest this time.

Report it to the environmnet agency as well

If you are that bothered MTFU, go get the toys and dump em at their front door.

qwerty – Member

Some councils don’t help matters by refusing entry to their recycling depots to people with domestic waste (ie: if your in a non comercial 4WD or a van).

Aye, we had that when we were clearing out my grandma’s place, lots of ancient knackered furniture and white goods. My brother’s got a van for his business so we used that- got to the dump, no entry, it’s in a van so it MUST be commercial waste. Unimpressed.

So we did like 6 trips in my dad’s Focus instead but you can see how fly tipping becomes more tempting for some people.

Caught one bloke & his wife about to tip a load of stuff out of a pickup truck on a night ride, best bit was 2 of us got pictures of him & his van while he was dumping the stuff, we stood there with him in the spotlight of our lights & made him put it all back.
Still sent the pics to our local council environment dept 😀

2 weeks later my mate had an email from someone at the council thanking us as they had traced him to 7 other offenses & would be prosecuting.

Sad thing was 3 rides later we passed the same spot & a whole pile of building rubbish had been dumped 🙁

Some councils don’t help matters by refusing entry to their recycling depots to people with domestic waste

I’ve had that. We’d just moved into our new place, and we’d still got a hire van from Enterprise. The sister-in-law and myself decided to drop off the cardbox for the TV at the recycling centre on the way to Ikea, but when we got there, they told us it’d cost £35 because we were in a van. So we parked over the road and carried the box across, put the box in the cardboard section and the polystyrene and packaging in the non-recyclable bit.

One of the blokes came up to us and was really quite unpleasant and aggressive. He told us that he knew we’d come in a van, and that what we were doing was technically flytipping as we were dumping ‘commercial waste’, and that we could be fined thousands. I asked how it was classed as commercial waste, as it was one cardboard box, and our hire van (emblazoned with the Enterprise logo) wasn’t even parked on-site. He just kept on being abusive, then rather charitably said that he’d, “Let us off this time”.

Apparently, what I should have driven the cardboard box to the centre in the car, then driven back home, swapped to the van then gone to Ikea. Because of course, that’s better for the environment.

I was actually left a bit shaken afterwards, and I’ve avoided the recycling centre, leading to more of our stuff being disposed of in the general waste. I won’t go there without Mr Toast now, as crappy old arseholes on a power trip tend to be rather more timid when faced with a 6ft 6 bloke. I did ponder writing a letter to the council, but meh.

No excuse for flytipping though.

EDIT: Derp, this is Mrs Toast by the way. Mr Toast isn’t married to himself, or suffering from split personality disorder.

Where as, if you arrive in an estate car listening to radio 4, dressed as a joiner, even with a pencil behind your ear, you never get any hassle at all! 😳
Not quite true,there’s a gumpy ginger git at the north Edinburgh depot who once pointed out that plasterboard offcuts were “building waste” and I require a license to transport such like…you couldn’t make it up!!!

If you call your local council you can arrange a permit for vans etc. that lasts about a month. I know a lot of household dumping is done at weekends and contact then becomes impossible, but with a little foresight a commercial vehicle can be allowed in to any tip AFAIK…

I took a car tyre down once. Had to fill in a form. Bit of a waste of my time & theirs. Can understand if I’d got half a dozen but was only one. I’d only kept it because the school were asking for some. On the whole the chaps at our depot are ok. I can’t imagine they are the best paid jobs.

I’ve taken a hire van to the local tip before without any hassle to dump rubbish when I helped a mate to move.

If the jobsworth tossers in the council didnt make it so akward to dispose of rubbish properly we wouldnt have a fly tipping problem. Its just typical of this country make it hard for people to dispose of things then fine then when the enevitably ‘break the law’. Our local tip need to see a house bill to get in (as well as th usual no vans allowed etc) why ffs, you will drive to your nearest dump so why ask for proof of address? No wonder people fly tip.

The address thing where I used to live was because the neighbouring authority didn’t provide any tip facilities at that time so they only wanted residents using it.

The van thing I wouldn’t have a problem with if they just implemented it a bit more sensibly. You can get a permit for a van or a trailer, but it requires a registration number, which you don’t know beforehand if you’re hiring a van and you can’t get permits same day. We were in a hired astra van (so tiny) and turned away because it’s a van whereas the huge volvo estate behind us got let straight in.

There’s notices about not walking rubbish on to the site, I always wonder what they’d do if you turned up on a bike with a trailer.

If I go to the tip without my boyfriend the nice men there empty my car for me, they never do that if he’s with me.

Oh, and council’s do prosecute for this type of thing quite regularly. I’ve produced maps for them to take to court 🙂

Funny that, i hate going to our local tip, it is full of hitler jobsworth council workers. Mostly hostile and never ever ask them anything or where something should go, its like you’ve asked to sleep with them. However if they like the look of something your chucking they become all helpful and offer to take it away for you. They used to have a small hut there and round the side was crammed with stuff they had “helped” people with.

I usually load up our vehicle then send the wife, they always help her and are polite. 8)

I took an unnecessary interest in the routes of waste disposal when I did some of the legal work on the Greater Manchester Waste PFI project.

Dealing with both the local authorities (Greater Manchester Waste Disposal Authority has 9 member local authorities – the bureaucracy!) and the private sector “partner” (we’ll have your money but not any risk, thanks) was a sodding nightmare.

It made me wonder if any waste ever got dealt with at all. To call it a system, would be telling fib TBH. Waste collection and disposal in the UK is a shambles.

No wonder we’re such lazy arses and so many fly tip.

I do wonder about this place, when in an enthusastic mood about bicycling and that, the top friday night thread is about fly tipping. Isn’t there fly-tipping.com or something for this kind of worry and serious discussion?

If the jobsworth tossers in the council didnt make it so akward to dispose of rubbish properly we wouldnt have a fly tipping problem. Its just typical of this country make it hard for people to dispose of things then fine then when the enevitably ‘break the law’. Our local tip need to see a house bill to get in (as well as th usual no vans allowed etc) why ffs, you will drive to your nearest dump so why ask for proof of address? No wonder people fly tip.

No wonder people fly tip ? I’ve managed to get through life without ever needing to fly tip. Presumably you haven’t ?

However much hassle it might involve getting rid of stuff, I don’t think it’s ever proved to be more trouble than getting the stuff in the first place.

bigbloke – Member

However if they like the look of something your chucking they become all helpful and offer to take it away for you. They used to have a small hut there and round the side was crammed with stuff they had “helped” people with.

Lots of councils have a recovery/reuse scheme now… But frankly, you’re throwing it away, why do you care what happens to it?

A friend and I turned up at his local tip with a sofa on an estate car roof and asked if they’d move the gate to let us drive in as we clearly weren’t commercial. Couldn’t do that unless we came back on a Saturday. Ok we said what if carry it in? Nope that was against H&S. Wasn’t going home with this thing on my roof so we were about to go round the corner and smash up sofa and get it in the back of the car when one of us jokingly said “what if we put a strop round it and just drag it in with the car” apparently that was fine & perfectly safe.

No wonder people fly tip ? I’ve managed to get through life without ever needing to fly tip. Presumably you haven’t ?

However much hassle it might involve getting rid of stuff, I don’t think it’s ever proved to be more trouble than getting the stuff in the first place

No, i haven’t fly tipped, i despise anyone that litters. I am just saying that with all the nonsense ‘regulations’ councils impose dont help anyone. There will always be inconsiderate people who flytip regardless, however it would be helped if tips were more like they were years ago.

Some people only have a 4×4 or van as their only vehicle, this permit nonsense is exactly that, a load of nonsense.

I wouldn’t tar them all with the same brush, personally. Last year I had a day off and a load of stuff to bin. I have a friend with a van that just happened to be popping over for a social and I thought I’d tie the two together. A quick call to the council explaining the situation resulted in me giving them the vehicle reg and simply showing-up at the tip, who were informed of my imminent arrival. The guy checked the stuff was normal household waste before off-loading and bish bash – I was home within the hour.

BTW, as someone wrote above, this is a rubbish thread…

🙂

Isn’t there fly-tipping.com or something for this kind of worry and serious discussion?

its full of arguments about cheeky landfills, and endless ‘what old car tyres for throwing in a hedge’ threads