Every day they ask 'when will we start feeling our legs again?'

Typical Stw, start slagging each other off for a few misplaced words instead of focusing on the real issue.

Already been said, but the sentence is pathetic for such a crime. If he’d been responsible for paralysing 2 little girls in some other way, rather then in a car I’m sure he wouldn’t have got off so lightly.

Does seem a very lenient sentence, esp for someone so remorseless….

Total utter shit. Nasty piece of work. I’d sentence him to life mining pitchblende.

I guess it’s sentencing constraints..he is a complete xxxx but there was probably no intent to cause that amount of devastation and carnage.

but there was probably no intent to cause that amount of devastation and carnage.

Driving as he was, it is fairly obvious the risk to life and health is significant, that would be like firing an assault rifle into a crowd and claiming that he didn’t intend to harm anyone.

If you drive like a massive **** in a vehicle weighing about 2 tonnes then killing or seriously injuring someone is a reasonably foreseeable consequence. To turn round and then say “I didn’t mean to paralyse anyone” is a phrase that should be treated with utter contempt

How he can live with himself I don’t know.
Suicide would have been the right thing to do.
I don’t know the full story but we’ve all had the red mist descend whilst in our cars.
Let’s remember these 2 little girls next time and just let it go.

If he’d been responsible for paralysing 2 little girls in some other way, rather then in a car I’m sure he wouldn’t have got off so lightly.

^this.
cars are far too easy to drive too fast too comfortably and isolated from your surroundings. he should at least never be allowed to drive a car again.

Tragic. He’ll be out in 2 years and those girls + family will live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.

I heard on the radio that the maximum tariff for this offence is 5 years. Which begs the question why not 5 then?

I have no qualms in wishing pain on this dickhead.

Wishing rape on anyone is not cool, but I’d be quite happy with him being battered and brutalised every day of the measly sentence.

D0NK – Member
this?

Junkyard – lazarus
or the first reply.

Okay … I see, I see …

What a horrible thing to happen to those poor girls.

My initial thoughts mirrored those shared on here so far, but on further reflection, I wonder whether my thoughts about the severity of sentencing are tempered by the extremely unfortunate and unlikely consequence. To play devil’s advocate, would the outcome have been different if the collision was with a single male rep in a 3-series? Perhaps a fraction later or a fraction earlier the outcome would have been different. The sentence should reflect the crime not the consequence.

Clearly this guy is a low life of the worst calibre. But there are a lot of those still on the roads, unfortunately. I agree that a longer driving ban would be entirely appropriate though.

Superficial – Member
The sentence should reflect the crime not the consequence.

IMO they should consider both i.e. without the crime someone else would not have suffered. Merely considering one aspect is only focusing on the guilty party but the person(s) who suffered (victim) as a result of the crime is being only looked at partly.

I feel like I know him though, he’s one of those “professional” drivers, arrogant, conceited, sure of his own abilities and the vehicle he commands. Probably held court in the local pub discussing the merits of one car over another, maybe he even does the same on social media. He’s a petrolhead, obsessed by car culture.

The real problem not this individual, there are thousands like him and the only way to stop this type of thing happening is to regulate vehicles down to levels all people can be trusted with.

Revenge is a natural human emotion…. if he did that to any kids of mine, being raped in prison would be the least of his worries

The real problem not this individual, there are thousands like him and the only way to stop this type of thing happening is to regulate vehicles down to levels all people can be trusted with.

What utter crap. I’ve read some shite on here, but this takes the biscuit. It’s his fault, no one else’s.

cars are far too easy to drive too fast too comfortably and isolated from your surroundings. he should at least never be allowed to drive a car again.

This! He has proved himself to be wholly unsuited to driving. He should be banned for life. Failing that the insurers should all get together and refuse to insure him.
I understand tariffs, but he’ll do a couple of years in a comparatively cushty jail and then be out to enjoy the rest of his life.
zanelad +1, utter shite.

He has proved himself to be wholly unsuited to driving. He should be banned for life

Aye, driving is a privilege, not a right.

Will his insurers use the criminal element of his behaviour to refuse the claim? If so, I hope that the family take every penny and possession he has to pay for their rehabilitation and care.

He wasemployed by land rover as a senior manager, and also a driving instructor of theor vehicles, along with driving a company vehicle.

Hopefully landrover will now look at the driving and employment records of all their staff who are given company vehicles, in their statement they just say he no longer works for them, bloody obvious hes in prison.

i wonder if without the video he would have been convicted at all and certainly not of these serious offenses ?

@project I know banks used to treat serious driving offenses like drink driving of anyone with a company car as automatic gross misconduct and dismissal

JY not trolling and I don’t agree with what was posted here re skinheads and male rape but maybe it would be “as ok” if the driver had been a woman and she was going to a womans prison to have suggested something similar ?

He’s a petrolhead, obsessed by car culture.

I think you’ll find most petrolheads to be considerate on busy roads, leaving the fast driving for the track. Oh, and a petrolhead wouldn’t drive a white range rover. Don’t denigrate car culture by confusing it with dickhead culture.

If he’d been responsible for paralysing 2 little girls in some other way, rather then in a car I’m sure he wouldn’t have got off so lightly.

This.

The things you can get away with just because you do them in a car*.

* on other threads this might be a cue for jokes. Not here please.

What utter crap. I’ve read some shite on here, but this takes the biscuit. It’s his fault, no one else’s.

Yes, it’s his fault and tomorrow it will be someone else’s fault and so on and so on, you can either try to stop humanity producing **** or produce cars that even **** can drive safely.

Those poor girls. I read this earlier and I couldn’t stop thinking about them. Heartbreaking.

He was prosecuted for his driving, not the actual effects of that driving

going back up the thread a bit, but this is a bit that annoys me. (not you, poster, but the principle)

This is where drivers get the best of both worlds. Sentencing is made up of culpability (how much of a dick were you), aggravation (how hard were you trying to be a dick) and mitigation (can you claim something made you a dick, or, did you do your best to be less of a dick after the incident?). And all within the context of sentencing guidelines.

Neither the impact nor the potential of the offence is explicitly taken into account in the sanction.

BUT we see criminally bad driving EVERYDAY, yet even if there is a prosecution, if no one is maimed or killed the sanction is at the lower end regardless of whether you could have easily killed someone.

So if you drive like a dick and dont kill anyone, you get done for driving like a dick. If you drive like a dick and then kill someone, you still just get done for driving like a dick rather than having the gearbox of a transit van shoved up your arse.

The sentence should reflect the crime not the consequence

it should reflect both

That is a very good point IMO.

Do we really need motors with massive horsepower, 160+ mph top sped yadda yadda on roads which are already very congested and struggling to cope with the demands of all road users.

as a small state kind of person, I wouldnt necessarily want anything over 30bhp banned, but instead, how about adding car power to aggravating factors in sentencing? If you choose to drive a powerful car and get it wrong, you pony up to a much more hefty sanction.

allthepies – Member

Do we really need motors with massive horsepower, 160+ mph top sped yadda yadda on roads which are already very congested and struggling to cope with the demands of all road users.

It made no difference whatsoever here. Fairly little dangerous driving is dependent on powerful cars. Maybe there’s an argument for it but it’s not this argument.

it should reflect both

You’re correct. It should reflect the crime and the spectrum of possible consequences, and some sort of likelihood calculation.

Try this: Imagine If the man in question had performed the same manoeuvre (chasing someone, then aggressive undertaking, followed by turning across traffic without looking) but in an alternate reality no one was hurt but it was still caught on dashcam. The potential for harm (at the point in time he made the decision) was the same or actually higher (what if a third girl was in the car in my hypothetical situation?). Should he be jailed for 4 years? Even without hurting anyone? You may argue yes – in which case: has this ever happened?

My nephew drove and crashed a car in which his passenger was killed.
In sentencing the judge took into account the fact that he had a job,a steady girlfriend and had a good reference from his girlfriend’s mum who was a senior police officer.
He escaped a custodial sentence. Even though we were relieved that he didn’t go to prison I failed to see why an unemployed ,single person should have been treated differently.

The context of my point was a wider one (than this specific incident), in response/agreement to wilburt’s post.

If you like, when I go to work on Monday I’ll check on NOMIS & let you all know which prison he’s in, even which cell on which wing, so you can all write to him. I’ll even have his prison number.

Actually I may check if I remember but I won’t post it anywhere.

I’ll know something you lot won’t. 😉

If you choose to drive a powerful car and get it wrong, you pony up to a much more hefty sanction.

an interesting idea and one I haven’t heard before, bravo.
Of course car industry would be up in arms and it’d never get through.
Might make for some interesting adverts. “The new ford mustang, guaranteed to get you sent down for life!”

Pony – Mustang – Coincidence?

You could also get adverts saying “Kill someone in this Fiat Panda- the internet thinks that isn’t such a big crime”.

So I really don’t see that working.

Thats a disgracefully lenient sentence…like a few others, I live only a few miles from that junction and see that type of stuff regularly.
He needs to have his licence revoked indefinitely.
I just hope the victims are compensated as best as they can be.
****! 😡

It is about time we started banning people from driving for life. If you cannot be trusted behind the wheel of a very lethal object then you should not be driving.

The sentences for this kind of thing also need to be greatly increased IMO. 10 years per girl would still be far to little in my eyes.