EU Referendum – are you in or out?

Mooman. Any non—bullshit positives to offer??

No?

Didn’t think so.

You lot will never be happy because no one is going to invent a time machine to take you back to 1952. And even if someone did, they won’t be manufacturing them here!

And with that, you are added to the killfile.

Taking back control.

This aged well.

Hold the red pen.

I reckon Toyota at Burnaston is the next.

Hope not, but when it happens it will not be to do with Brexit.

Chinny Reckon.

This is going so well. I can’t wait for April.

Michael Gove: “As I speak, there is no absolute guarantee that we would be able to continue to export food to the EU.” pic.twitter.com/An87dxUUrh

— Property Spotter (@PropertySpot) February 19, 2019

Make it a binding vote.

Is was that clown Cameron effectively declaring it would be binding that has put us in this position.

Throughout the thread I’ve been typing “it hasn’t happened yet”. I really felt that as the weight of evidence that Brexit is going to screw Britain economically grew that a Conservative (the champions of business) government would act pragmatically in the interests of their pay masters. I was thankful it wasn’t Labour in control because I really felt Corbyn would have acted on whim and without a second thought about consequences.

Either I was wrong about who the Conservative party paymasters are and/or what they want, or they are being ignored, why I don’t know.

On a personal level I positioned 50:50 for a remain:soft Brexit. I was saddened by the result but half expected it, there was still a strange feeling of disbelief as the result came in, and a detatched (because I have two passports and don’t depend on the British economy) “silly ****”.

As it comes down to the wire it’s time to take the losses on the Uk investments on the chin and cash in, starting 10 minuites ago.

Even if there’s a last minute remain the UK – EU relationship will never be the same again. The genie is out of the bottle, mistrust has replaced cooperation and Britain will never benefit from it’s privileged “in but not totally” position again. Eyes have been opened, old grudges have been reawakened, going back is no longer an option. Financially at least, I’m out. Each blip up in the pound I’ll be on global view.

Despite killfiling a number of our resident trolls and swivel-eyed loons, I do recognise that, deep down, in each of them, there is an adult wanting to emerge.

As I am so magnanimous, I can assure them that I never fail to apologise on their behalf whenever I meet anyone from Europe. I will continue to do so.

And no need to thank me guys, I do it out of respect for you.

This thread is all the proof anyone needs to see of the nasty and bitter sorts that Remain attract

Excuse me?

Excuse me?

Give them some slack. They are just starting to get worried.

Give them some slack. They have barely achieved sentience.

FTFY

FTwere saying that signs from Toyota werent good, same hold on investment since the referemdumb

The farce continues

A few more data points to support my negativity @JGForsyth. Based on chats w all sides. Short #Brexit thread

— Mujtaba Rahman (@Mij_Europe) February 19, 2019

Either I was wrong about who the Conservative party paymasters are and/or what they want, or they are being ignored, why I don’t know.

Some are pro-brexit, others are broadly unaffected and might even be able to profit from it whereas the rest seem to have been outgunned.

Either I was wrong about who the Conservative party paymasters are and/or what they want, or they are being ignored, why I don’t know.

For the paymasters to be in charge there has to be something to be in charge of, they are currently split ERG/Cabinet/Remain only coming together to fend off NC motions. The ones who could be under control are doing their thing, others are just out with a wrecking ball

This thread is all the proof anyone needs to see of the nasty and bitter sorts that Remain attract

Excuse me?

But it does it truly does. Since the referendum result thats all this thread has been, angry and bitter.
Moomman can’t give a chapter and verse explanation about the positives of brexit because there aren’t many. But anyone who sticks their head up and opinions that the result of the referendum should be honoured, or that armageddon isn’t about to happen is insulted and shouted down. The contempt for people of “message” positively drips of some peoples posts.
Out in the real world the majority just want some sort of stability and accept that brexit will happen. But on here and on some other social media outlets there’s a constant bitter hatred, it will do nothing to help but will actively poison and harm individuals and the country as a whole. There comes a time when enoughs a enough, help make a bad situation better or just sod off.

There comes a time when enoughs a enough, help make a bad situation better or just sod off.

No. I’ll never go quietly. I’d prefer to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Likewise I won’t let the people who voted for this forget what they have done. The loss of Jobs and livelihoods are only the Brexiters fault. The utter contempt I have for the politicians who have sat idly by and let this happen will also never fade.
It’s heartbreaking. It’s disappointing. It’s embarrassing.
How on earth do you expect us to help? There is no making it better.

aww come on now cloudnine, it is time to get behind the mass job losses, the extinction of public services, the repossession of homes, the break up of families, the suicides, another generation lost because of right wing destructive dogma, just stop being so negative about it.

“This thread is all the proof anyone needs to see of the nasty and bitter sorts that Remain attract”
I’m now going g to work myself to the bone till the day I die, **** yes I’m nasty and bitter. A colleague’s wife got punched in the face because she dared to speak Polish I’m public, **** yes I’m nasty and bitter. Were seeing a rise in the far right, a drop in living standards, a drop in life expectancy, the list is endless, yes I’m nasty and bitter.
Why should I be sympathetic to people who are stupid, and racist, and have ruined my future.

Whenever European TV channels want a populist, over-the-top and laughable point of view they just interview the driver of the black cab they are riding in. The bit they’d cut in would be:

, help make a bad situation better or just sod off.

And then quip, “and that’s exactly what business leaders are doing, taking the second option when possible”.

Taxi25 why should I ‘get behind’ my country being chucked off a cliff & me & my kids being stripped of their rights as EU citizens?

If Brexit was going swimmingly then us bitter remoaners would have less to complain about. As it’s the epic shitshow we always feared it would be, I guess we’ll just keep up the good work.

Perhaps “get behind” was asking for a bit much, but when we do leave (we almost certainly will) what are you all going to do ? Life will have to go on, are you going to remain bitter and complaining all your lives ? I won’t, I’ll be doing my best for myself and my family and by doing so that helps others as well. Sod off isn’t a call for you to physically leave, but to just shut up moaning if you aren’t going to do anything constructive to help the situation.

, help make a bad situation better or just sod off.

And then quip, “and that’s exactly what business leaders are doing, taking the second option when possible”.

Perhaps they are, but most don’t have that option, we’ll still be here.

The problem is, all the important people who help this country work, and survive, are sodding off.
And the rabid brexiteers just keep sticking their fingers in their ears and going la la la.

Give up and just accept petty nationalism?

Never. We will fight them on the beaches etc.

Life will have to go on, are you going to remain bitter and complaining all your lives ?

Where is the bitterness and complaining in this thread? I see mostly comments on what is actually happening and opinions around how it could be done differently. Remember, it hasn’t happened yet so fair to discuss it isn’t it?

What constructive things could people be doing to help the situation, what are you doing to help it?

Strangely enough I am doing something – a large proportion of my job for the last 12 months has been actively trying to plan for a no-deal Brexit. It is certainly a challenge mainly because of boring stuff like REACH regulations and safety data sheets and supply chains. All really important things that aren’t easily explained on the side of a bus or on twitter.
So I don’t see why you can’t ask a brexiteer to provide an upside or get mad when faced with pointblank denial when real people lose their jobs.
Leave have had 2 year plus to come up with answers – the problems I’m dealing with were in no way unforeseeable.

most don’t have that option, we’ll still be here.

The irony being of course is that we do have the option of 27 other countries now. Shortly to be removed.

Leave have had 2 year plus to come up with answers – the problems I’m dealing with were in no way unforeseeable.

And spent it sniping from the background when people can’t deliver their contradiction of lies.

But anyone who sticks their head up and opinions that the result of the referendum should be honoured, or that armageddon isn’t about to happen is insulted and shouted down.

That is generally what happens when people talk shit.

Free speech, innit.

Sorry, I’m with cloud nine.
When your personal, political and world view has been torn up by others you fight for your beliefs.
Exactly the same as the brexiteer lot have been doing since ukip became prominent.
When you see you country start to collapse, you fight to put it right.

My local economy is about to be decimated – Honda down the road and surrounded by sheep farming. That means my village shop will seriously struggle as a result. The sad thing is the Brexit voters around here honestly can’t see how Brexit could possibly affect there little piece of Britain, even now……

But it does it truly does. Since the referendum result thats all this thread has been, angry and bitter.

Wait, Mooman said ‘nasty’ not angry. I’m angry, very much so, but I’m trying not to be nasty and I don’t think I have been. The reason for my comment was that he was negatively stereotyping in a lazy and corrosive way. Of course many remainers on here have been doing same, and I’ve tried to call them out but my fingers are pretty tired of it by now.

But there’s a key difference here. As remainers, we’re having rights and identities removed, actual concrete things, that are very important to us. Brexiters aren’t losing anything. They *think* they are gaining things, but at best they will be ephemeral and things that they already had anyway. They had their British identity, they had as much control as they will have now, they lived in a country with power and influence. They have diminished mine and my kids’ opportunities and prospects, and they can offer NO GOOD REASON for it. So yes, I’m absolutely **** furious, and I will remain so. How can I not be?

Mooman is being roasted for supporting this destruction despite being utterly unable to justify it. Maybe instead of complaining about being picked on he should actually engage with the discussion and give us some positives we can look forward to – cos I am in desperate need of some of those.

Life will have to go on, are you going to remain bitter and complaining all your lives ? I won’t, I’ll be doing my best for myself and my family and by doing so that helps others as well.

Just because I am angry as hell doesn’t mean I won’t still be doing my best for my family.

Oh, and my friends’ marriage might be broken up by this too. Both are suffering severe mental health issues so they don’t work a lot; but one is French.

Mooman is being roasted for being a troll

FIFY, he comes, insults, shouts wildly, says nothing and leaves.

@ MG why does your friend think his marriage will be broken up. Deal or no deal EU nationals living in the UK will be able to stay.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/policy-paper-on-citizens-rights-in-the-event-of-a-no-deal-brexit

As per that paper, EU nationals will have to apply to stay via the Settled Status scheme.

You know, the one that cost £65 then didn’t, doesn’t work on Apple devices, works on some Android devices, requires the applicant to notify the Home Office if anything changes in future like mobile number or email etc.

The brother in law is Dutch. Wife, kids, lived in the UK for 20+ years. Now has to apply to stay in his own home. It’s **** up.

Those are still words and not yet law. As we all know, saying something as a politician and actually doing it, seems to be 2 quite different things. As someone with a German wife I will beleive it when I see it, and not before.

@ MG why does your friend think his marriage will be broken up. Deal or no deal EU nationals living in the UK will be able to stay.

Because of terms like ‘hostile environment’ and ‘benefit scroungers’ being thrown around all the time. Non EU citizens, even married ones, are now being sent home if they don’t earn enough; she doesn’t earn much if anything. Now lay that kind of negativity on someone suffering from depression, see how happy that makes life.

That policy paper is just a policy paper. And it keeps saying that EU citizens lives will remain ‘broadly’ as they are now. So not really reassuring. And when you look at how shitty the Home Office has been lately with the Windrush stuff etc, you can’t blame her for anxiety can you?

Germany seem to be handling UK nationals quite well, some of my friends in Frankfurt have been written to (in English) explaining that they will soon have to register and explaining the process, which is simple and cheap. I believe this is now going on nationally (registration is down to the local town hall, so the letters are going out locally).

So in Germany UK citizens are being treated better by the German state than they are by the UK government, and a hell of a lot better than EU nationals in the UK. It is though as I expected it to be. Despite the rise of afd, in mainly the old east German states, Germany is not trying to appease the racists by pursuing an aggressive policy on non German nationals living here.

As one of my leave supporting mates said to me recently, at some point we’re going to have to move on. He has a point. We may not like it and may be in denial, but the reality is that we lost. Yes there are good reasons to vote again but there are many not to. I certainly don’t want to spend the rest of my life arguing about bloody Europe. At what point do we look to the future and try to heal the wounds?

Out in the real world the majority just want some sort of stability and accept that brexit will happen.

Which?

Still surprised that people haven’t worked out that when we Leave, the upheaval is set in motion for a decade or more. We’ll be changing our trading arrangements on a regular basis with trading partners around the world. Our standards will no longer have internationally agreed legal floors, and we’ll be fighting over them for evermore. Get ready for far more instability post Brexit then we currently have.

Taxi, reading between the lines I’d guess it’s all the stress and uncertainty. I have family in Spain and the worry about reciprocal health care evaporating, and increased costs to visit my nearest and dearest is a huge stress on me.

Brexiters did this to me. Brexiters did this to my family.
I will not forget, and I will not forgive. It takes every ounce of my strength to to stop myself from punching people when they flippantly tell me that everything is fine and it will all work out with absolutely no logic or reason to back up thier view.