EU Referendum – are you in or out?

I would like to avoid that by nipping the far right threat in the bud.

since when is appeasment nipping it in the bud?

appeasment

Yawn. I’ve been very clear in previous posts that under no circumstances should we give in to the demands of the far right. That however is very different to listening and acting on the views of voters who may end up supporting the far right if they continue to be ignored.

Part of this process will be attempting to persuade them that they are wrong, part of it will be to take some actions which address their concerns, and part of it will be rejecting some things which are simply too unpalatable. Is this not how democracy works?

If after this process voters then go and vote in far right candidates, then yes, absolutely those representatives should be completely discommunicated and fought at every step. Or perhaps we can just keep our heads in the sand and pretend it will all just go away?

and part of it will be rejecting some things which are simply too unpalatable.

like launching our economy off a cliff with brexit?

That however is very different to listening and acting on the views of voters who may end up supporting the far right if they continue to be ignored.

I think history very clearly teaches us that the one thing that tends to popularise the far right is economic trauma. And what is the single biggest likely cause of an economic trauma right now?

You’re barking up the wrong tree, I just can’t decide if it is deliberate or not.

Yawn. I’ve been very clear in previous posts that under no circumstances should we give in to the demands of the far right. That however is very different to listening and acting on the views of voters who may end up supporting the far right if they continue to be ignored.

So we wreck the country instead?

Maybot ….backpacker of Europe

Is off to get her golden unicorn again..

Is the woman so terminally **** thick that she can’t grasp they will tell her to **** right off…..it’s like Oliver twist

dazh… let’s look at this logically…

Let’s take the 52% of folk who voted Brexit.

A percentage of those are the far right nut jobs who, let’s face it are not ever going to be happy. Then there is a percentage of folks who as you say get taken towards the far right because they don’t get “their” Brexit (whatever that is).

Then there is a percentage of folk who voted leave who are just too apathetic to do anything much at all. Then there is a percentage, who although they voted leave, would never side with the far right nut jobs. Finally there is a whole chunk of folk who have changed their minds since the ref.

So you are worrying about an overall small percentage of the overall leave voters and if you then take into account those who didn’t vote leave, you are allowing an extremely small percentage of the voters to define your policy moving forwards. That cannot be right… especially when it looks like such a bad idea.

That said, I do fully agree with you that something needs to be done to address the fact that a whole bunch of disaffected folk felt so desperate that they were prepared to vote leave and/or were open to be manipulated by the media etc. In fact, even if the whole thing is cancelled, the result of the referendum should be a wake up call to us all and especially to the folks down in that Westminster that the game is up and they are going to have to do something pretty major to tidy up this mess in the future.. Otherwise this is never going away, how ever much we wish it would.

I just don’t see how totally **** the country up in order to keep a bunch of angry folk happy is going to achieve anything at all.

Forty-four days away from Brexit and they haven't got a clue."

A Honda worker accuses the government of "completely incompetent handling" of Brexit and "idiocy of epic proportions". pic.twitter.com/BxWRi10YcO

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) February 18, 2019

Bit of a Brenda that one.

I just don’t see how totally **** the country up in order to keep a bunch of angry folk happy is going to achieve anything at all

Depends how much money they have and how long they vote Tory, can’t see it’s a safe gamble by the time they realize how **** it’s got it won’t be this election but definitely the next

Can you really not see the problem in reversing the result of a democratic vote which was held in good faith in which millions of people expressed their preference?

“Knowing what we know now, are you absolutely sure you still want to go ahead with this?”

Yes or no, it’s not difficult and hardly antidemocratic.

“Knowing what we know now, are you absolutely sure you still want to go ahead with this?”

Yes or no, it’s not difficult and hardly antidemocratic.

And if people still vote to leave “knowing what we know now”

Answers on a postcard to mickmcd in the outback …oz

dannyh

Member
I think molgrips has pretty much done the piece by piece dismantling that I haven’t got time for so, yeah, that ^^^^^.

He has only confirmed what you wanted to read.
1. Another referendum would only prolong the deadlock for at least another 2 years.
2. The blind faith it will be different next time – when things are still the same – is the logic of a mad man.
3. Of course if the vote is a different result those who lost the vote last time will not want to argue the decision again.
4. Money wins campaigns. Big business dont want Brexit, so will put in more money to get their result next time.

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1. Another referendum would only prolong the deadlock for at least another 2 years.

Or stop it dead Remain or Leave

2. The blind faith it will be different next time – when things are still the same – is the logic of a mad man.

Nothing is the same, the easiest deal in the world is dead, the leave will do no harm idea – dead, the options going forward are clear.

3. Of course if the vote is a different result those who lost the vote last time will not want to argue the decision again.

They are welcome to present a firm view of what Brexit looks like though climing 350m/wk and unicorns for all might not work

4. Money wins campaigns. Big business dont want Brexit, so will put in more money to get their result next time.

Well we might keep more of an eye on funding from the FSB this time

1. Another referendum would only prolong the deadlock for at least another 2 years.

That’s speculative at best. Probably bollocks.

2. The blind faith it will be different next time – when things are still the same – is the logic of a mad man.

I would be willing to bet it would be different. What is it about this that scares you so much, Brexie?

3. Of course if the vote is a different result those who lost the vote last time will not want to argue the decision again.

Set a time limit where the question cannot be asked again for ‘x’ years. What is it about this that scares you?

4. Money wins campaigns. Big business dont want Brexit, so will put in more money to get their result next time.

Ha ha. You are taking the piss given the proven illegality behind the funding for Leave in 2016. The other one has got bells on it.

Make it a binding vote. Part of the reason Leave got away with all their shenanigans was they weren’t under the same scrutiny they would have been from the electoral commission if the vote had been binding.

Unicorns, Snowflakes, Gammons … it seems that those blaming people of being ignorant and too easily influenced by the media in voting Leave – are the very people who are ignorantly using the insults so flippantly they hear in the media. Aint that just ironic!! or moronic?

Errrr, what is your point, caller?

Unicorns, Snowflakes, Gammons … it seems that those blaming people of being ignorant and too easily influenced by the media in voting Leave

Well since your last post I used the word Unicorn and that was it – did you have the reply pre-typed?

are the very people who are ignorantly using the insults so flippantly they hear in the media. Aint that just ironic!! or moronic?

Sorry which insults? We missing something here?

Del

Subscriber
Make it a binding vote.

For those that voted – it was intended as a binding vote.
It is only those who are upset at not voting the way of the majority that are clutching at straws and looking for another vote.

Its not that another vote scares me. Its just that it will not keep those sore losers from whinging for another few years, and calling for a third vote if they lose again … then a fourth … then a fifth .. until they finally get it right and vote the same as the majority.

mooman

Member
Unicorns, Snowflakes, Gammons … it seems that those blaming people of being ignorant and too easily influenced by the media in voting Leave – are the very people who are ignorantly using the insults so flippantly they hear in the media. Aint that just ironic!! or moronic?

So Brexit going well, then?

if they lose again … then a fourth … then a fifth .. until they finally get it right and vote the same as the majority.

Yeah, imagine people not wanting to see their country trashed, tying & trying again to stop that, the gits!

Brexit going well? I shall tell you in April

So the resounding thing from Brexiters is not how well it’s going, or the endless opportunity (for rat cooking) or the wonderful way the DFDS Liam Fox has sorted everything else, it’s all about why asking people is a really bad idea, not met any who can tell you it’s going that well with a straight face.

I shall tell you in April

It’s ok, you don’t need to.

Why don’t you ask these companies & see what they think ?

Sony
Nissan
Dyson
Panasonic
Lloyds
Unilever
Goldman Sachs
Barclays
Airbus
Flybmi
P&O
HSBC
JP Morgan
UBS
Ford
Hitachi
Toshiba
AXA
Honda
Moneygram
Philips
European Banking Authority
European Medicines Agency
Bank of America

Michael Gove warns NFU farmers in Birmingham of 40% lamb tariffs in no-deal Brexit
Link

I know many farmers around here who voted leave who will be worried…..

I haven’t used any of your “insults” anywhere in this thread, Mooman, check. I prefer xenophobic, ignorant, selfishly self-destructive, fervently nationalist, senile, backward-looking, poorly educated… . Which ones are you ?

kimbers

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if they lose again … then a fourth … then a fifth .. until they finally get it right and vote the same as the majority.

Yeah, imagine people not wanting to see their country trashed, tying & trying again to stop that, the gits!

Agreed. Those people who have continuously cried at every opportunity and thrown their toys out of the pram, instead of accepting they voted differently to the majority in the country, and just looked forward.
This thread is all the proof anyone needs to see of the nasty and bitter sorts that Remain attract; the comments regarding the unfortunate workers at Honda and Nissan say it all.

This thread has had need of an angry Leave supporter for quite a few pages. Welcome Back!

So Mooman can’t tell us what’s good about brexit, can’t say why it’s going to be a good thing or what positives we have to look forward to.It does real like some pre prepared statements slotted in slightly out of context – did anybody else get their troll pack from Vlad?

You need to check out the remainers’ comments on the Honda and Nissan thread too, Mooman. The only clearly stated sympathy I saw was from a remainer. You are indulging in that leaver trait of lying. In the early part of this thread my main contributions were to link facts that demonstrated leavers, notably Jamba, were posting a mixture of misleading information and blatant lies.

I haven’t done much crying but have deprived the UK economy of several times your salery since the vote, and many other pragmatic reasonable people around the world have been doing exactly the same. Leavers seem incapable of realising that acting openly in self interest and failing to contribute to the common good will result in exclusion as the rest of the world does the same.

If you are no longer a friend and associate what are you ?

He’s Taking Back Control. Hadn’t you heard?

It’s as if the brexit cheerleaders/trolls are reaching their final strokes of the ultimate danger tug, just hoping the grown ups don’t get back before the end.

Folks are losing their jobs and businesses (one of my mates had to wind up his company today – putting another dozen out of work).

This is going to happen more and more so expect more folks to be bitter. Especially when, still after 2.5 years, nobody has come up with a good reason for us actually going ahead with all of this and all the things we were promised have been proven to have fallen by the wayside.

Why shouldn’t people be bitter if they and their friends are losing their livelihoods?

Infact you’ve inspired me Mooman. The rate is .8650, that’s the best for a while, time to dump some more pound assets. *opens global view*

done

All these redundancies… Many of whom will struggle to find new jobs and go onto the governments highly lauded revamped benefit system and fall into abject poverty for no reason.

It is really heartbreaking really.
Rising taxes to pay for it? Or will benefits be cut further?
The really sad thing is some of them actually voted to ruin thier own lives. Tragic.

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— Leave.EU (@LeaveEUOfficial) January 15, 2016

https://twitter.com/moh_kohn/status/1097848148003827714