Elon Musk

and delivery of voters expectations

And who is manipulating voters expectations? And will they stop doing so if those expectations are met? Of course not. We saw how fast “voters expectations” were moved on from Brexit to refugees, before the former was even fully delivered.

I binned off Twitter about a year or so ago. I do not miss it. Happy to bin off Instagram, & will do if I start seeing too much crap.

However Facebook is sadly too useful as a tool for community & group messenger chats. I have mitigated my Facebook use by deleting the app & only using it via my phones browser.

And who is manipulating voters expectations?

Manipulating? Sounds like some sort of international conspiracy across Europe and the United States.

Or maybe the failure of neoliberalism might be a better explanation?

I don’t think Farage and Trump’s connections are secret… no need to talk about conspiracy theories. I presume Farage will be over in the USA again soon, working out what he can do post inauguration to get Musk back on side and not lose Trump. Improving “everything” to not give these people the chance to do their populist shilling isn’t going to happen, they will always find an in. There is always a perceived threat from outside, or within, to scare people into supporting you.

Bannon said, “The Democrats don’t matter, The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.”

Indeed. Wikipedia is next on the hit list, if the rumours are to be believed; Musk told his fans to stop donating a few weeks back, because of “left-leaning editors”.

I don’t think Farage and Trump’s connections are secret…

And you think that connection is influencing the whole of Europe?

How many European countries can you name where voters don’t feel let down by established political parties and politicians, and where voters feel that their expectations are being met?

Whatever ever the total I don’t think that they represent the majority of countries.

Interesting folk are saying FB has got worse – I’ve never Twittered or Insta’d so only have FB to go on but I limit what I look at, rarely argue with idiots (made an exception for one who declared Farage was “the future” the other day) and have unfollowed a couple of friends when I’ve seen weird shit from them, and I don’t seem to be getting pushed any nonsense for or against me echo chamber views.

And you think that connection is influencing the whole of Europe?

To a certain limited extent, yes. And the role of USA owned internet media companies such as X & Meta is also key in many countries. But populists across Europe are only very loosely grouped, plenty of them need little help from other jurisdictions. That populism works everywhere, no matter how well the population is served, and how politics is organised, is a depressing thought… but true. Even acts of trying to create more equal societies, and using state power to improve everyone’s quality of life, is fuel for the populist. The will still get people begrudging help and support for “others”.

I beg to differ, the far-right in the United States and Europe are exploiting an existing situation for their own agenda.

They didn’t create the existing situation, the conventional right-wing did.

What is broken is the connection between established political parties/politicians and voters, and delivery of voters expectations.

Maybe. Younger voters are both less likely to join political parties and vote, and overall are less engaged in local and national politics and yet at the same time are the most likely to complain that 1. they are ignored, and 2. that they don’t like the outcome. While there are clear reasons why younger voters are disconnected (they own less of the wealth at the same age that their grandparents did for example), unless they engage, they’re going nowhere. People get the politics they deserve is a truism for a reason.

Plus there’s a difference between the politics to change people’s lives, and the use of politics to make money, Trump is clearly, unashamedly in politics to enrich himself, if he enriches other multi-millionaires and billionaires at the same time, it neither worries, or bothers him. You can see this effect given the amounts of campaign donations made to Trump this time around. They’re expecting a pay-off not a Alt-right revolution that apart from a few aresholes and idiots; nobody really wants. Musk has recently changed the way his algorithm on X categorises misinformation and truthfulness that has the entirety of the on-line Alt-right panicking. Not about the way that information is disseminated, but about their money pipe-lines. The grift is in the open.

@PrinceJohn Done the same, for the same reasons. The community group issue is a bit thorny, otherwise would just close my account.

Plus of course This iteration of the far-right are very good at exploiting the thing that “The Media” cannot seem to shake itself rid of, which is is. 1. treating them as if they are reliable narrators and faithful actors and  2. trying to be objective. Until the trad media stop engaging with theses folks in this way, the rest of us will be soaked in their dis-information.

. People get the politics they deserve is a truism for a reason.

Because its something with can be trotted out whilst patting yourself on the back for being so much more political aware and skilled? Its about as sensible a statement as the one misassigned to Churchill.

From memory young people are increasingly disengaged with political parties but increasingly so with other methods of political engagement such as campaign specific groups.

Not surprising really given young people have been repeatedly asked for their votes and then told to **** right off once the vote was provided.

Its not a surprise that when actual choices are given aka brexit people lash out.

That populism works everywhere, no matter how well the population is served, and how politics is organised, is a depressing thought… but true. Even acts of trying to create more equal societies, and using state power to improve everyone’s quality of life, is fuel for the populist. The will still get people begrudging help and support for “others”.

I think it’s because populism seems based on a principle of behavioural economics – loss aversion is more powerful in individuals than the opportunity to gain. Make people scared that they’ll lose out or aren’t getting their ‘fair’ share and you’ll get a large share of the attention so much easier than by presenting a solution where we all gain sufficiently and those who need the most support get it. At that basic level socialism must be a much tougher proposal than conservative capitalism. Which is daft really because I believe more of us lose out vs where we could be under capitalism, at least the way it is currently.

I thought all this was rather easy – seems not.

Facebook = organising group events and a loose ‘community’. Just block any feeds that promote ‘the good old days’ and Clarkson’s mug.

WhatsApp = messaging and making calls. Also creation of temporary groups for events.

Instagram = watching cool little snippets from MTB riders.

Twatter = trolling right wing muppets when I fancy it. Ignore everything else.

Ticktock = no **** idea.

BBC News = actual news.

Isn’t that basically it?

Jenrick v Robinson

Wow. In a sane world, Jenrick would never be heard of again after that interview. An awful example of someone who is only interested in advancing themself at the expense of others through opportunism, rather than actually doing something effective and useful.

Because its something with can be trotted out whilst patting yourself on the back for being so much more political aware and skilled?

No, not really, but paradoxically  that doesn’t make it less true. These are the politicians, and system we’ve got, I understand why folks are disengaged, but to change it, you need to engage with it, telling yourself anything else is just fairy-stories.

Elon Skum does seem preoccupied with pedos. He called the cave rescuers kiddie fiddlers just because they wouldn’t use his submarine!

The same way the tates definitely aren’t gay , Skum definitely isn’t a wrong un.

Do Elon’s kids still hate him too? Thought so

Twatter = trolling right wing muppets when I fancy it. Ignore everything else.

You’re wasting your time and feeding Musk’s algorithm while you’re at it. What do you think he does on there most days? The same as you. Bin it..

Claiming that people get the politics they deserve is just an opinion. I can’t see how it can be described as a true fact.

And it’s an opinion which I strongly disagree with btw. In fact I believe the opposite, ie, people do not get the politics/politicians that they deserve.

Although to be fair that it is the only reason that capitalism made a huge concession a century or two ago and allowed ordinary people to vote for their governments.

but to change it, you need to engage with it, telling yourself anything else is just fairy-stories.

The problem is yours is even more fairy tales.

Remember the cry of the centrists “vote labour or the tories will get in” and “who else can you vote for” and the apoplectic meltdowns when people dared to suggest they would vote for a party who would represent them instead?

Thats the problem with your fairytale. The only way votes count are if they are overly represented in swing seats and its made clear the vote has to be earned. For young people no parties are bothering to try and earn their votes and hence no party gets them.

but to change it, you need to engage with it,

Engage all you like .. it’s still a shit system (perhaps the best of many shit systems tried as someone said, I dunno) and the only reason it functions the way it does is that the wealthiest gain whoever gets in. The only difference is how much or how fast they gain. PR would help but social media manupulation and hence Musk etc are a big problem whatever system we have, because the average person engages with sm more than politics and can be manipulated. Lies go halfway round the world before Truth can get its shoes on.. etc. And the algorithms aren’t about developing great processes for us all, they’re about generating clicks and ad revenue and wealth for those in power and in position to influence it all, it’s a politics<>sm circle jerk where Musk, Zuckerberg etc gain and we get screwed.

Wow. In a sane world, Jenrick would never be heard of again after that interview.

That sane world, that is doing all the lifting in that sentence, ended in 2016.

Nine years of this, and it’s only going to get worse.

He shouldnt have been heard of again after his signing off of Desmonds property development to judge charges.

Nine years of this, and it’s only going to get worse.

Because we now have a Labour government Danny?

 I understand why folks are disengaged, but to change it, you need to engage with it, telling yourself anything else is just fairy-stories.

“Deserve” is the tricky word in all that. No one “deserves” the **** up politics we have got, but under the current system unless people vote for some sort of change – making a big assumption that it exists – then we will keep going round this stupid spiral.

Of course, a revolution/heads on spikes is a form of engaging with the system.

Of course, a revolution/heads on spikes is a form of engaging with the system.

Gets my vote

TBH it does feel like the forces of evil are appearing much more sooner than expectedly just before an election.

Just feels like a full on attack that’s getting worse,started with the Farage Riots and now we are getting down to the latest narrative of hordes of specific furriners with rape/abuse gangs roaming the streets of the U.K. and the great cover up of it.

Makes me sick how quick they are to use the victims TBH.

Has this been posted?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/elon-musk-going-mad-warns-34439131

“I legitimately believe Elon Musk may be going mad. I’m a Musk biographer who has been tracking his online behavior for the last two years—and given that he’s admitted to all of mental illness, heavy drug use, and crippling stress, it is now reasonable to fear he is deeply unwell,” .

I said elsewhere a few days ago that we could well be witnessing a man going into ketamine psychosis in real time.

The first thing that dictators do is control the news.

X is the news to a lot of people.

Musk controls it (or at least, his army of AI robots does). It’s blindingly obvious now why he wanted to buy it, and it had fork all to do with free speech.

In ye olden days, we had Murdoch with the gutter press, the kingmaker in so many countries.

Now, we have this scumbag with X. He wants to be the new Murdoch, the new kingmaker across the globe, not just the US. And he owns the firehose of propaganda – the one that covers most of the US & Europe. And he’s looking less and less healthy by the day. I can’t see him stopping with Trump getting in.

Of course, a revolution/heads on spikes is a form of engaging with the system.

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Gets my vote

Careful. Those who might resort to violence can be incited to remove the heads of judges, doctors, writers and academics far easier than getting them to go after those making insane amounts of money from them. And when UK politicians are attacked, and even killed, it tends to be those working hard for their community, not those working hard for themselves.

I’m shocked. SHOCKED!!!

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