Donald! Trump!

Wait until folk figure out what making up the US shortfall in Ukraine’s defence will do to standards of living in Europe.

And we supposedly attribute the march of the far-right in Europe to declining living standards.

Trump will end up doing to Europe what the west effectively did to the USSR via Afghanistan.

The left’s offer has been rejected 3 times in recent voting, once prior to Brexit, just after Brexit and then during the biggest economic down-turn since the great depression.

Seeing as this is the Trump thread I’m talking mostly about America, but the lessons are the same for the rest of the West. In 2019 labour were punished because they slipped on their pro-brexit agenda that served them well in 2017. The tories were punished this year for largely the same reasons as the democrats have been, they had no economic answer to high prices and falling wages, and instead focused on identity politics. Economic factors always trump identity stuff, whether parties are against identity politics or for it. Trump managed to combine the two and now we see the results. If Labour don’t learn this lesson in govt we’ll see the same thing happening here in 4 years time. Delivering on the cost of living (which most people call ‘the economy’), decently paying jobs, and functioning public services is Starmer’s only hope of staying in power. He should forget everything else.

In funnier news; Stephen King has been thrown off X for calling Elon the “First Lady”

It is funny but apparently satire.

All too believable, even if it’s a joke.

A large part of the voting populations of democracies don’t care about policy as such. They want easy to understand headlines of supposed policy that appeal to their pockets and chosen prejudice. About the detail level you get in a pub with your mates at most.

It’s nothing new really, Trump is just very good at making contradicting prejudices overlap to the point that he entices latinos (for instance) to vote for him even though he demonises them in another tweet or speech to gain the white, middle aged male vote.

Trump has found a way of seemingly turning people’s selective hearing on and off at will.

Personally, I don’t think it will be till after a good few countries have endured Trump style governments for a few terms that people might begin to question populist leaders.

No, I dont think the UK is done with populism yet, we’ve had a taste of it but there’s still a large appetite for more.

What are the odds there will be more assassination attempts before inauguration?

It won’t matter how many assassination attempts there are. God spared Trump’s life for a reason. And that reason was to save American.

He’s on a divine mission. Nothing can stop him.

https://news.sky.com/video/trump-says-god-saved-me-to-save-our-country-as-he-declares-victory-13249255

God has the opportunity to do the funniest thing.

It won’t matter how many assassination attempts there are.

But it will. It will prove how radical and violent all the left-wing wokecenti are!

i still don’t understand how that orange sack of clown shit is actually president, the last few times i’ve watched any clips of him the cringe level is off the scale,

“i still don’t understand how that orange sack of clown shit is actually president, the last few times i’ve watched any clips of him the cringe level is off the scale,”

If it’s cringe you’re after then take a look at some of the footage from the Kamala Harris rallies. It was basically a  bunga-bunga party with Megan the Stallion, Cardi B and others shaking their booties, bouncing their titties and flashing their camel toes. They didn’t play their biggest tune “Wet Ass Pussy’ but you get the general idea.

I can’t remember Obama or coming out to the Chippendales? It was utterly insane and degrading to women in the extreme. Probably contributing to her poor showing amongst women voters along with all the other demographics.

Her whole campaign was about girl power and she couldn’t even increase her share on the women’s vote.

Jeezus the Guardian are milking the Trump election victory for all it’s worth. I have just seen this at the end of a Guardian online article :

This is the moment for truth Convicted felon Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States. Just as we did in 2016, we will hold the coming administration to account and rigorously challenge what will come.

This is a perilous time for America and the world.

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But we have something powerful on our side.

We’ve got you.

The Guardian is funded by its readers and the only person who decides what we publish is our editor.

If you want to join us in our mission to share independent, global journalism to the world, we’d love to have you on side.

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I found “we will hold the coming administration to account”  particularly interesting. How does a British low circulation newspaper expect to hold the President of the United States to account?

In funnier news; Stephen King has been thrown off X for calling Elon the “First Lady”

Ha! I wonder if my account has been blocked then, I’ve referred to Muskrat as Dementia Don’s new First Lady in several posts! I’ll leave it for a week or so before checking.

That’s the defender of free speech at work.

“No, not THAT kind of free speech!”

How does a British low circulation newspaper expect to hold the President of the United States to account?

I was never sure what the phrase meant, now it has become virtually meaningless.  So anyone can hold anyone else to account just by saying so.

In funnier news; Stephen King has been thrown off X for calling Elon the “First Lady”

I can’t attend Musk.

He went to court to defend his right to call a guy a pedo for literally saving the lives of a load of kids trapped underwater in a cave… But suspend someone for what is a obviously a satirical joke.

Why are these far right defenders of their self approved type of free speech such snow flakes when it really comes down to it?

found “we will hold the coming administration to account”  particularly interesting. How does a British low circulation newspaper expect to hold the President of the United States to account?

47 million US readers and growing.

By comparison Fox News typically gets between 1.5 and 2.5m viewers.

When in power Trump puts incredible strain on the press. It doesn’t matter when his bulllshit is coming out through Truth Social or from a Mar a Lago fundraiser. But when it’s coming out through Whitehouse channels it both can’t be ignored but also can’t just be printed verbatim without proper journalistic due diligence.

Trump says he’s doing things more than he actually does them, so the volume of output the media has to cover is huge and 10s or 1000s of his Whitehouse briefings contained lies which had to be checked and countered. The strain news rooms were under through the first administration was emmence – (theres a fly on wall documentary out there somewhere of one of the US paper’s battling to deal with the sheer tide of bullshit)

What makes Trump problematic in that sense is he’s fundamentally a bullshitter rather than a lier. To tell a lie you need to know what the truth is in order to deceive people. A bullshitter has no idea what the truth is and doesn’t care whether what they are saying is true or not – they don’t have any of the tells of a lier becuase they don’t even know if they are lying. So to fact check him its not just a case of presenting the truth you have to try and find out if there even is a truth.

So the Guardian has more influence in US politics than Fox News?

I will bear that in mind the next time I hear that everything is the fault of the right-wing media.

Edit: Btw the adult population of the United States is approximately 258 million, it is impressive to think nearly a fifth of them read the Guardian. Shame that the Guardian doesn’t have that sort of influence in the UK, presumably.

47 million US readers and growing.

I doubt that.

Are they just counting hits on their site?

Given the recent election result, how can we be sure there are 47 million Americans who can read?

Guardian stats are clicks onto their website. For comparison that is roughly the same as The Daily Mail.

fenderextender
Free Member
Wait until folk figure out what making up the US shortfall in Ukraine’s defence will do to standards of living in Europe.

I was just reading this funnily enough. The EU partly, allowing a huge “levelling up” fund to now be spent (mostly indirectly) on military infrastructure etc.

I’m glad they are using Trump’s isolationist policies seriously. A bit late mind you and still a long way to go!

Hopefully it’s readable.

The only good I’ve seen DT do so far is keep poppygate to a bare minimum by keeping the press and social media occupied.

I have a feeling that’ll be the only positive of his legacy.

Wait until folk figure out what making up the US shortfall in Ukraine’s defence will do to standards of living in Europe.

Isn’t Ukraine in Europe? Or aren’t their standards of living important?

Jan 6th rioter expecting a pardon:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jen70m88o

Quote of the year: ‘“I believe he’s a man of his word,” Evans told the BBC.’

AHHHHHAhahahahahahahahahahaha.

willard
Full Member
Jan 6th rioter expecting a pardon:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jen70m88o

Quote of the year: ‘“I believe he’s a man of his word,” Evans told the BBC.’

AHHHHHAhahahahahahahahahahaha.

In fairness he probably will as it’s an easy win to keep his base onside… But yeah, expecting him to do it due to being a man of his word! Hmmm….!

I think we will see more of what the next season  of Trump, will be like pretty quick ,if he does pardon the rioters it’s going to be over the steal of the previous election which won’t be good.

^^ He’s going to really go for it over the next 4 years. I have  no idea where the worlds is going to end up. About the only positive I can rake up is that Europe will finally realise the US can no longer be relied upon. Pity we aren’t part of the EU in these uncertain times though! Its a shit time to be going it alone.

Going to be one hell of a ride!l

What makes Trump problematic in that sense is he’s fundamentally a bullshitter rather than a lier. To tell a lie you need to know what the truth is in order to deceive people. A bullshitter has no idea what the truth is and doesn’t care whether what they are saying is true or not – they don’t have any of the tells of a lier becuase they don’t even know if they are lying. So to fact check him its not just a case of presenting the truth you have to try and find out if there even is a truth.

The other issue is he will ‘weaponise’ everything you do and effectively turn it back on you as an organised ‘witch hunt’.

The continual attacking trumps lies actually doesn’t seem to be the solution to the problem.

The continual attacking trumps lies actually doesn’t seem to be the solution to the problem.

Allow him to install a macdonalds in the foyer of the whitehouse and bring on the heart attack, trouble is then we’d have vance as president and all the trump appointed freaks and goons running around.

Isn’t Ukraine in Europe? Or aren’t their standards of living important?

Ukraine is on the globe and global security is a global concern. What’s your point?

Allow him to install a macdonalds in the foyer of the whitehouse

There already is one in the Pentagon.

So this just appeared in the middle of my Strava feed – it’s tempting….

Maybe as the Eu, or for me the UK, we should start charging the likes of Musk, Zuc, Bezo, et. al.

A fair charge to operate in this territory?

People whine like pigs when tax goes up, but they forget the UK government is giving away billions upon billions to offshore acconts.

Just spoke to a US friend in Florida. He’s very happy that Trump won and is already giving him credit for the price of petrol falling at the pumps.

already giving him credit for the price of petrol falling at the pumps.

Truly God moves in mysterious ways.

already giving him credit for the price of petrol falling at the pumps.

Last time I checked (checks notes) the dems are still running the US government? Maybe they should be thanking Biden or the global oil prices?

It’s gonna get really ****** up really quickly when trump is sworn in, in January.

price of petrol falling at the pumps.

Let’s hope the leopards don’t eat his face when the trump tariffs increase the cost of living. I’m sure he is thinking it’ll only affect the libs.