Donald! Trump!

He’s already changed the face of American politics for good

I couldn’t disagree more. He’s done more damage than anyone and done more to sow hatred and division in the US that will take decades to reverse

I am pretty sure that in that quote “for good” means permanently, rather than happiness and fluffy kittens.

Just the mere fact DT is running for President again shows how bad things are in the states.

Yup. It is frankly astonishing that not only did Trump get away with attempting to undermine the whole democratic process but also that he should be given another opportunity to do so all over again.

In any normal functioning democracy he would be barred from standing for office for at least a period of time.

But even more astonishing than all that is the fact that approximately half of US voters are prepared to back a man who attempted to undermine a constitution which they enthusiastically swear allegiance to as they stand with their hands over their hearts.

The United State’s long history of hypocrisy with regards to its commitment to global democracy is well documented but I think most would not have doubted their commitment to their own personal particular brand of democracy.

Whilst wealth, and the power that brings, is central to US global hegemony perceived moral authority has also played a powerful role, this ridiculous domestic political situation, along with supplying bombs and missiles to a regime committing a slaughter which it claims to oppose, is really doing a lot to undermine the US’s claimed moral authority.

But even more astonishing than all that is the fact that approximately half of US voters are prepared to back a man who attempted to undermine a constitution which they enthusiastically swear allegiance to as they stand with their hands over their hearts.

its pretty mindboggling, but ignoring all the cult like aspects of Trumpism and the general partisan state of politics in he USA, Im not aware of a single government surviving a legitimate election in our post inflation world

Arguably the Republicans could have walked this if theyd been able to escape Trumpism and select a slightly less insane candidate

This blog by Matt Yglesias raises a lot of interesting questions.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/27-takes-on-the-2024-election

A couple that I think are important are #12 and #26.

#12. The Democratic coalition really is tetchy and hard to manage. I’ve watched a number of Arab-American writers who disapprove of Biden’s approach to Israel but agree that Trump’s would be worse spend the final month of the campaign driving up the salience of an issue that they know is bad for Harris and being relentlessly negative about her approach to the issue — even though they agree her opponent is worse. It’s hard to do politics if people who agree that you are better don’t make the case for you down the stretch.

#26. It would be great if progressive foundations had spent the past eight years trying to build bridges between social liberals and anti-Trump market liberals like Shikha Dalmia in defense of liberalism and democracy instead of financing a left-right pincer movement against “neoliberalism” that further destabilized the system.

Both of these are about groups who oppose Trump but are willing to risk him winning if they don’t get all their demands.

Im not aware of a single government surviving a legitimate election in our post inflation world

Spain, the majority socialist party in the coalition actually gained a seat.

Macron in France held on (although that was pre Truss but inflation was already running high).

Arguably the Republicans could have walked this if theyd been able to escape Trumpism and select a slightly less insane candidate

Before the primaries most polling agreed that anyone except Trump / Biden would have walked it.

Well one good thing from the activity on this thread today…

… I learned a new phrase! ‘sealioning’…

I’ve experienced it a lot online in various forms and know what the concept is.. But I didn’t know how to articulate that particular pattern of behavior in a concise way!

That was a fun few pages. Could the new poster be Trump? Donald, is that you?

I still love how a lot of people use far left for anything that just isn’t far right. Nothing deemed as far left over the last few pages is.

Some really, really clever people I work with, including young women, are all for Donald Trump because the “Demoncrat/adrenochrome harvesting/child-abuse/trans-rights/drag queens/migrant caravans/whatever other nonsense you can think of”

I hate to break it to you but they aren’t that **** clever then.

I couldn’t disagree more. He’s done more damage than anyone and done more to sow hatred and division in the US that will take decades to reverse

I totally agree about the damage he’s done and that it will/would take decades to reverse, but that’s assuming there are any Republican party members left that have the intention of going back to the way things were before Trump. When he first announced he would stand for election in 2015 the GOP saw him as a joke and virtually all of them ( Vance compared him to Hitler and look at him now) said he should never be considered as a candidate, never mind the President. They aren’t saying it any more because he succeeded where a lot of them had previously failed by acting in a way no traditional politician had ever done before

The thing with someone like Trump is who follows him?

Now Johnson appears to be out of politics the nearest cult of personality we have is Farage. Who do the states have as someone like him?

The GOP had been building to that point for decades, probably evert since Nixon was booted out of office. That’s when they decided to appeal to racists to stop the party’s decline from the scandal. And then not much later they started the tactic of just opposing the democrats rather than offering anything to the people (they obviously offer a lot to the billionaires).

Trump hasn’t done much yet that isn’t exactly what the GOP have wanted for decades, the only thing is he does it so blatantly that they hadn’t realised it could be done that way, but enriching the already rich and further impoverishing the poor has always been their aim, and Trump has delivered on that.

The only problem they see now IMO, is if he does it to fast and obvious there could be a backlash, but project 2025 would take care of that anyway.

You know they have the doomsday clock or whatever it is called, that has been at 1 minute to midnight to show how close to destruction earth is, I have always felt that it was a bit of silly hyperbole, but it feels rather real at the moment, if Trump wins this time it really could damage the world very seriously. It won’t just be a mater of watching our American cousins suffer, it could very well really change the world of politics for the whole world, and not for the good.

The thing with someone like Trump is who follows him?

There is a long queue of nutters behind him.

DeSantis, Vance, MTG, Lake, etc etc. Let the buffoon go and let someone worse, but more effective through

Look at the Tories – Bobby J and Badenough! You would think that more appealing to normal people would be the next move, but no.

if Trump wins this time it really could damage the world very seriously. It won’t just be a mater of watching our American cousins suffer, it could very well really change the world of politics for the whole world, and not for the good.

I am genuinely interested in why you think that. What scenario do you envisage in which a Trump second presidency would change the world of politics for the whole world?

I can see it reducing US global influence to a degree, and the West’s reliance on US wealth and power, but with my own personal political views I don’t see that as a catastrophe, although obviously some people might well do.

Who do the states have as someone like him

If he wins this time I could honestly see  Trump jnr running in future (with daddy calling the shots), as many have already pointed out its become more of a cult than a political party

Both of these are about groups who oppose Trump but are willing to risk him winning if they don’t get all their demands.

Thank God we didn’t have people derailing the Labour Party like that on forum threads….

“Far left media” = red flag! Calling the BBC far left, hahahahaha, yep, you’re a  troll.

Thankfully he’s been banned. Well done mods

Banned seems a bit excessive unless they got abusive in another thread. They just seemed delusional and at least they livened things up a bit.

Thank God we didn’t have people derailing the Labour Party like that on forum threads….

But Trump isn’t on course for a historic trouncing. When the party you really hate is going to be obliterated you can pretty safely point out flaws in the almost certain replacement party. If the last UK GE had been 50/50 in basically every poll between Labour and a psycho-Tory party who were talking about putting opponents through military tribunals then it would have changed things a bit.

I am pretty sure that in that quote “for good” means permanently, rather than happiness and fluffy kittens.

Yes that’s what I meant, not changed things for the better

As for our conspiracy guy, at least we don’t have guns for our loons

Pretty scary podcast about the network of militias preparing to ‘defend’ the election from someone or something

https://www.wired.com/podcast/wired-politics-lab/

Early voting numbers and polls skewing toward Trump are all making a trump victory look ever more likely

I can see it reducing US global influence to a degree

If they withdraw the US from NATO the world could look very different very quickly.

This was interesting today’s Rest is Politics US:

Look at the Tories – Bobby J and Badenough! You would think that more appealing to normal people would be the next move, but no.

They might be more effective politicians than BJ, but they certainly don’t have the cult of Alexander appeal that he has.

Anyway back to Trump nice of Joe to offer him up a free hit by calling (one of) his supporters trash…

mattyfez
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Well one good thing from the activity on this thread today…

… I learned a new phrase! ‘sealioning’…

I’ve experienced it a lot online in various forms and know what the concept is.. But I didn’t know how to articulate that particular pattern of behavior in a concise way!

It’s a pretty new concept to me too, to be honest. Though, in hindsight, I’ve used it on twitter in the past when I’ve gone on there to vent! 😀

Hopefully ive not done it on here in the past. If I have or ever do, id rightly expect be torn to shreds.lol

This fantastic article sums up exactly the situation in the States tight now. 

 

This explains the situation perfectly

 

Basically the Republicans under Trump are the party that are listening to the will of the voters, supported generally by the average person in the street, and gaining support among minority voters.  The Republicans champion equal opportunities for all based not on race or gender, but simply on merit and hard work. 

 

The increasingly corrupt Democrats have set their stall out to promote highly divisive identity politics and policy that generally supports their big business backers.  They like to dictate policy to the voters (for their own good apparently) rather than seek to understand the challenges faced by the average American on the street.  The Democrats seem to prioritise equality of outcome (at any cost), rather than equality of opportunity. 

 

The Democrats are generally supported by the elite and the establishment, the Republicans by the people.  And this is the reason why Trump will probably win.

 

With the elite and the establishment generally having full control of the mainstream media, both in the US and the rest of the Western world, it is no wonder that they have attempted to do a proper number on Trump and smear him with all the usual tropes that seem to get trotted out on this thread by the selective readers.

 

In reality, Trump is rather unorthodox in the way he speaks, the way he operates.  But his heart is in the right place and I truly believe he intends to do what is best by the American voters.  And by default, the world will be a better place with him at the helm rather than the Harris puppet, her strings being pulled by unknown vested interests.

^^Oh Lord, he’s back! 😀

And by default, the world will be a better place with him at the helm rather than the Harris puppet, her strings being pulled by unknown vested interests.

Really?

Ah yes it’s the work of a male narcissist to get their son to do their bidding. The son will do anything to please daddy in the hope that it will get said child liked, however this rarely happens, because all the narcissist ever think about is him/her self.

As a  matter of interest does Trump do any charitable works, support charities or give to charitable causes?

The Democrats are generally supported by the elite and the establishment, the Republicans by the people

Elon Musk isn’t one of the elites?

That is a very funny statement.

Trump is rather unorthodox in the way he speaks

That is the one point which I totally agree with. I have never previously heard a high-profile politician talk publicly so much shite. From suggesting drinking bleach to cure covid to discussing the size of a dead professional golfer’s penis.

Yes I would describe that as rather unorthodox. Definitely.

As a  matter of interest does Trump do any charitable works, support charities or give to charitable causes?

US President Donald Trump’s troubled charity foundation has agreed to close down amid allegations that he and others illegally misused its funds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46611178

Certainly very statesman like and probably far more appreciated than, say, the measured approach of Obama or a lawyer like Harris. I’d go so far as to say that even Reagan during his decline was more eloquent than Trump.

Have you seen some of the ballot boxes that have been set on fire in Washington and Oregon?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gm3rnjwk4o

I’m really quite worried about the whole thing, if Trump wins things will be shite, If Harris wins Trump will still make sure things will be shite.

Anyway back to Trump nice of Joe to offer him up a free hit by calling (one of) his supporters trash…

Just read up on that, Biden, Biden, Biden… 🙁

Have you seen some of the ballot boxes that have been set on fire in Washington and Oregon?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gm3rnjwk4o

Yeah, theres something going on in Penn too.

I wonder what goes on in your head when you wake up one day and think “I know what I’ll do today… I’m going to try and convince a bunch of middle-aged mountain bikers, none of whom have a dog in this fight,  that they’re all wrong and Donald Trump is actually the messiah”?

Its all very odd

I wonder what goes on in your head when you wake up one day and think “I know what I’ll do today… I’m going to try and convince a bunch of middle-aged mountain bikers, none of whom have a dog in this fight, that they’re all wrong and Donald Trump is actually the messiah”?

The same level of thought which goes into ‘You know what, that Donald Trump person has my best interests, our countries best interests and the worlds best interests at heart, I think I will vote for him’.

It’s convinced me of something!! ;-))