Donald! Trump!

without seeking a balanced opinions on world issues?

Welcome to the forum.  We can be an echo chamber, like all groups, so happy to hear the facts that support the alternative view.

they too don’t understand even many basic things

To be fair, many may be fully capable of understanding if they were willing, but they prefer to surf the wave of populism

@Tallyhoe If you got a rational  intelligent, impartial person to look at both candidates, sure they may disagree with some of Harris’ policies, but I cant believe anyone would think Trump has the competence and morals to be president, judging by the things that he has said and done in the past, and the childish jibbering nonsense he comes out with at rallies.

Actually, it was the people that worked directly for Trump during the last administration that said he had fascist leanings.

I was asking for actual evidence that he has done, or intends to do something ‘fascist’, not just hearsay or the opinions of people who have either fallen out with Trump, or have biased or vested interests to stir the pot against him.

Do you have any actual evidence?

I notice that Trump has promised to release some official data held on the Epstein client list, including no doubt some very prominent people who visited Epstein’s island on a regular basis.  I wonder if this is why so many are keen to smear him? Smacks of desperation IMO.

If you got a rational  intelligent, impartial person to look at both candidates, sure they may disagree with some of Harris’ policies, but I cant believe anyone would think Trump has the competence and morals to be president, judging by the things that he has said and done in the past, and the childish jibbering nonsense he comes out with at rallies.

Plenty of stuff gets presented out of context by the far-left media.  You won’t get presented with a balanced opinion from the Guardian, BBC, NYT etc.  Same with the alternative right leaning media in their depiction of Harris.  Trump is far more savvy than you have been led to believe by the bias media you consume.

What parts in particular did you think were unhinged.  By unhinged, I assume you mean ‘Nazi’ or ‘Fascict’

No, because if I’d meant nazi or fascist, I’d have said that. I didn’t though, did I?  I mean unhinged as in absolutely ****ing hatstand. Madder than a bucket of spiders. Demented. Completely unfit to be anywhere near high office.

I will leave the best appraisal of him to the definative commentators of our age – the Daily Star – who had the measure of him, perfectly, some years ago…

I was asking for actual evidence that he has done, or intends to do something ‘fascist’,

Well I think you are trying to put words into people’s mouths there… But anyway.. there is this! he said when trying to overthrow the last election..

‘We will never concede. It doesn’t happen’

Text book fascism..

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Do you have any actual evidence?

I notice that Trump has promised to release some official data held on the Epstein client list, including no doubt some very prominent people who visited Epstein’s island on a regular basis.  I wonder if this is why so many are keen to smear him? Smacks of desperation IMO.

Evidence.  Interesting.  Trump has continually promised (as recently as his interview with JR) to produce evidence that the 2020 election was stolen.  NOTHING has ever appeared.

Trump does not keep his promises.

What Trump believes and what is fact are two very, VERY different things.

You dont have to look far @tallyhoe
The enemy within is OG fascism
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/14/trump-military-enemy-within-armed-forces-election-day

He did the classic, the press are enemies of the people
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-rally-man-attacks-journalists

He literally demanded that Georgias secretary of state find 11000 more votes because he refused to accept he lost the election there’s a recording of the hour long phonecall and everything
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call

And on January 6th as his mob stormed the capital where he said “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore”. Repeating the lies about having the election stolen, despite him now knowing he lost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#:~:text=Starting%20at%20noon%20on%20January,thousands%20of%20attendees%2C%20some%20armed%2C

As for epstein he was a close friend of the guy, partied and hung out with him, joked about him liking underage girls (he’s made similar comments about young girls himself)
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ties-jeffrey-epstein-stacey-williams-1974837

he’s lied about his association with him and flew on his jet 7? times, even took his own kids to stay with him
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article256740662.html

Trump partying with underage models was not a secret
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

The question is why you seem so supportive of a convicted felon, a rapist, best mate with a paedophile and wannabe fascist?

The media I consume is pretty balanced, and definitely not far left*

I didn’t say he was an idiot, and agree he is very savvy with good political instincts, which is great for manipulating a crowd, but his understanding of policy and demonstrably immoral character are the opposite of what is needed when it comes to running a country in a way that benefits the  maximum number of people.

*that phrase is a red flag and often used erroneously by Trump as a tool to skew reality.

Tallyhoe sounds exactly like the Americans I work with: demanding people provide evidence of Trump’s failings rather than just opening their eyes to the literal mountains of evidence Trump himself, and those around him, have provided over the last decade or so. And then when anyone tries to do the legwork it’s just dismissed as “extreme liberal woke-ism” or some similarly lazy excuse. That’s what I meant when I said it was partly exhausting.

What is the meaning of sealioning?

What does sealioning mean? Sealioning is a critical term for a form of trolling that involves relentlessly pestering someone with questions and requests (such as for evidence or sources), typically with the goal of upsetting them and making their position or viewpoint seem weak or unreasonable.

Tallyhoe joined a matter of hours ago and makes 2 seemingly innocuous posts but the other 5 are in one of the most contentious threads on STW. It fits the usual pattern.

I suspect he isn’t the new member he might appear to be.

Anyway, it’s all good…

They’re a hungry Troll. We could always let them starve?

Far left media

anyone responding to a 2hr old account opening with that needs to step away from the browser.

I suggest you leave it under its bridge.

Had anyone worked out who the new troll is yet? Similar writing style to some of the more recent trolls

Re. Examples of fascism, this sounds pretty fascist to me

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-elizabeth-cheney-threat-civil-liberties

Demented. Completely unfit to be anywhere near high office.

Much like Biden then who seemingly doesn’t even know which year it is, and can currently barely even string a coherent sentence together.  Or does this not matter to you because he has views you agree with?

Plenty of stuff gets presented out of context by the far-left media.

I would love to see some “far-left media”.  Any pointers as to where I may find it?

Biden. Stay or go?

An overwhelming ‘go’ if I remember correctly…

I would love to see some “far-left media”.  Any pointers as to where I may find it?

In the UK start with the Bill Gates funded Guardian and perhaps work your way downhill from there.

I see tallyhoe has done the usual cowardly conspiracy theorist thing of asking for examples of something (fascism) and then after receiving loads….

Completely ignores them

This is why education matters

Much like Biden then who seemingly doesn’t even know which year it is, and can currently barely even string a coherent sentence together.  Or does this not matter to you because he has views you agree with?

Oh I see, in your efforts to read a wide range of media, you seem to have missed that Biden isn’t on the ballot, I thought it had been rather widely reported, but I guess not on the truth social QAnon threads.

In the UK start with the Bill Gates funded Guardian…

Manchester Guardian or Northwich Guardian? I’m going to have to do my own research.

Re. Examples of fascism, this sounds pretty fascist to me.

Much like when they Democrats put pressure on social media to get Trump banned, which they did.  Oh and the left wing (having had control of it themselves for years) now want to sensor and restrict Twitter.  Because Twitter now at long last gives both sides of the political spectrum equal opportunities to free speech, so the left have thrown their toys out of the pram because their opinions are able to be challenged.

Censorship and forceable suppression of the opposition by the Democrats and the left.  Nothing like fascism there according to your definition eh?  Hypocrite.

^ new troll getting rattled.

They/them must have very thin skin.

Oh dear.

I’ll pop back later I think.

Lol, twitter balanced?

Ok that’s true if your world view skews firmly racist.

Much like Biden then who seemingly doesn’t even know which year it is, and can currently barely even string a coherent sentence together.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/most-bizarre-trump-rally-rants.html

But this guy is totally fine. Or does it not matter to you because he has views that you agree with?

There’s an easy test to see if a source of information is balanced or not.

If they put out stories that agree with “your side”, it’s balanced! Otherwise it’s a source of far-left/far-right misinformation.

@Tallyhoe – If the BBC is “Far Left” where does that leave the Socialist Worker?

Besides, their most senior political correspondent has an obviously right wing bias. The chair of their flagship debating program the same. The Director General was a Conservative Candidate and a member of the party.

In the UK start with the Bill Gates funded Guardian and perhaps work your way downhill from there.

The Guardian newspaper and The Global Development series are connected but are not the same thing.

https://theguardian.org/

Sounds like they are really on a sneaky mission to oppress poor Donald and the likes of Yaxley Lennon.

“Mission
To advance and inform public discourse and citizen participation around the most pressing issues of our time through the support of independent journalism and journalistic projects at the Guardian”

To advance and inform public discourse and citizen participation around the most pressing issues of our time through the support of independent journalism and journalistic projects at the Guardian”

If you actually believe that then you are even more gullible than I first thought possible.

Tallyhoe seems like a lovely chap ? must have got lonely under that bridge

DJT share price is up by 200% in a month! Presumably a lot of people confident he is going to win.

If you actually believe that then you are even more gullible than I first thought possible.

So what is The Guardian and Bill Gates really trying to do?

Apart from the paperclip, what harm has Bill Gates done and what is he trying/going to do?

He seems to use his immense wealth to try and help people, rather than sell dodgy, over priced watches and shoes?

What did we do to justify having our new right wing troll?

Or is it just one of the old ones, back under a new name?

Much like when they Democrats put pressure on social media to get Trump banned, which they did

Yes, because a twitter ban is exactly the same as throwing people in jail or wishing them executed

Censorship and forceable suppression of the opposition by the Democrats and the left. Nothing like fascism there according to your definition eh? Hypocrite

Trump censored himself by breaking twitters terms of service, or do you think the Jan 6th coup attempt was legitimate and the election really was stolen ?

So what is The Guardian and Bill Gates really trying to do?

Apart from the paperclip, what harm has Bill Gates done and what is he trying/going to do?

He seems to use his immense wealth to try and help people, rather than sell dodgy, over priced watches and shoes?

Bill Gates, uses his foundation and philanthropy to avoid tax, and also to influence public policy that benefit his own investments and personal beliefs.  Apparently he made a 20x return on his investment in vaccine manufacturers just before the pandemic and used his influence and foundation to pressure everyone, via Gavi and the WHO to get vaccinated.  The situation in India is just one small tip of his corrupt, self serving iceberg:

https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/why-are-indians-so-angry-at-bill-gates/

Suggest you all need to open your eyes to reality.

Apart from the paperclip, what harm has Bill Gates done and what is he trying/going to do?

Isn’t Microsoft somehow responsible for Comic Sans? That should carry a sentence of life imprisonment, at the very least

Yes, because a twitter ban is exactly the same as throwing people in jail or wishing them executed

They have been trying to throw Trump in jail incase you haven’t noticed.  Tried to remove him from ballots too.  Lawfare at it’s most undemocratic.