Donald! Trump!

Keep going, after all, it’s not like that hasn’t worked out well for you so far in recent campaigns, is it?

yes racism should be ignored at all costs if its politically expedient 🙄

cast iron jambafact

I said “no doubt in my mind” so I yes, cast iron I know what is in my mind.

Expect some responce from Trump’s team and lots of pro-Israel action over the next 4 years. From what I know/read Jews voted for Clinton as they are lifelong Democrats, many however did not trust her as she says whatever she thinks people want to hear.

Mike. No one in the US administration is pandering to Israel they are just doing the right thing supporting the country. Don’t forget Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon tried to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

“cast iron I know what is in my mind.”

Wasn’t it ‘Cast Lead’?

“Don’t forget Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon tried to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.”

It’s an interesting interpretation of facts…

Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem would be a massively provocative step, it’s not what the area needs. Bit like building housing estates in occupied lands…
I’m going to leave what has been done a 1000 times before here but the middle east doesn’t need favourites it needs a strong and impartial way forward.

@clod did Brannon spray that ? Did an anti-Trump supporter spray that ? Like I said earlier re another photo Portland is very strongly Democrat. Swastikkas and accusations of being Nazis is abuse thrown at Trump. It’s hard to know whomsorayed it.

You really should watch those videos posted earlier, opponents of Trump have got it totally wrong with the racist/Nazi stuff and have helped Trump win by failing to engage in the actual issues. There are lessons for UK and Europe too.

Swastikkas and accusations of being Nazis is abuse thrown at Trump. It’s hard to know whomsorayed it.

yeah of course 🙄

warning, sweary …

You really should watch those videos posted earlier, opponents of Trump have got it totally wrong with the racist/Nazi stuff and have helped Trump win by failing to engage in the actual issues. There are lessons for UK and Europe too.

Well shut down the Mail/Express, prosecute the hate spreaders, bring up those spreading lies about immigration on fraud/misrepresentation and libel charges and start putting out the factual message rather than the one based on lies and hate.

It’s an interesting interpretation of facts…

It would be total denial to have any other interpretation. As many Jews where forced to leave Morocco, Tunisia etc as Arabs where forced to leave during the formation of Israel (roughly 800,000 each). Today there are zero Jewish refugees but 5 million Palestinians ?

I think the Trump administration will prove much more supportive of Israel than Obama/Democrats have been (and even they signed a $38bn military support agreement this summer). The anti-Semitism accusation will be dealt with that way.

Clod this is my point exactly, a Trump opponent calling him a Nazi – that’s as clear as day the correct interpretation of that graffiti.

Today there are zero Jewish refugees but 5 million Palestinians ?

Hell I wonder why, I guess most people here would happily move to Palestine just can’t see why they don’t like it…
the bit to remember is both sides are not helping and both should be sat in the corner for quite a while

“It would be total denial to have any other interpretation.”

Oh it would, would it? Right.

“Today there are zero Jewish refugees but 5 million Palestinians ?”

All that tells you is that a state for those Jewish refugees was created, but no provision made for the Palestinians (millions of whom still live in other countries, many of whom cannot return to their homeland). And Palestinians are still being forced from their homes by settlers, backed by the IDF, in a manner which has been deemed illegal by the UN, yet continues to happen. Obama at least tried to halt this process, and was met with vehement hate from those supporting the apartheid. That South Africa, a nation once crippled by apartheid, has stated it refuses to accept the state of Israel until a return to pre-1967 borders, speaks volumes.

“Clod this is my point exactly, a Trump opponent calling him a Nazi – that’s as clear as day the correct interpretation of that graffiti.”

Wow.

Anyone else?

Maybe it’s a racist trump supporter with Nazi tendencies? Occams razor and all that. I know it’s a shocking idea but I’m just putting it out there…..although going by standard trump logic it’s the windows fault.

Wonder if any of you Americans think Berni Saunders would have done better than Clinton? since the dems seam to have backed the wrong horse.

“Clod this is my point exactly, a Trump opponent calling him a Nazi – that’s as clear as day the correct interpretation of that graffiti.”

some men have crystal balls others just have hairy ones….

mikewsmith

Well shut down the Mail/Express, prosecute the hate spreaders, bring up those spreading lies about immigration on fraud/misrepresentation and libel charges and start putting out the factual message rather than the one based on lies and hate.

LOL. How may times – NO. Let people say what they want and judge them on what they say. Arresting people who disagree with your opinion….interesting.

The point being to bring them up on the things they say, have them stand in court and defend the lies, let them bring the facts and stand up and try and prove them.
It is currently a crime to incite, that is what some are trying to do.

The point being to bring them up on the things they say, have them stand in court and defend the lies, let them bring the facts and stand up and try and prove them.
It is currently a crime to incite, that is what some are trying to do.

And just think about the propaganda victory they gain when they are found not guilty

See Nick Griffin for a perfect example

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm

mikewsmith
It is currently a crime to incite, that is what some are trying to do.

If I’m standing outside a synagogue with an angry mob, and I’m screaming to the mob how it’s our responsibility to exterminate the Jews, in the name of our god – that is incitement.

If I write an article criticizing Israel, that’s not.

wicki – Member
Wonder if any of you Americans think Berni Saunders would have done better than Clinton? since the dems seam to have backed the wrong horse.

tbh, I’m not sure if he would have won leading the ticket, socialism is a dirty word in america.

They made an arse of it by not going for a clinton/sanders ticket though, that would have been a shoe-in, I reckon.

It’s ramping up…

Clod this is my point exactly, a Trump opponent calling him a Nazi – that’s as clear as day the correct interpretation of that graffiti.

I think both things are going on. Trump has undoubtedly been called a nazi and had swastikas drawn on him in protest.

However some Trump supporters seem to be positively embracing the swastika:

As well as general xenophobia:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-election-hate-crimes-and-fears-trnd/

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/racist-incidents-after-trumps-victory

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hate-crimes-against-muslims-hit-highest-mark-since-2001/2016/11/14/7d8218e2-aa95-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html

“See Nick Griffin for a perfect example”

Is that the same Nick Griffin who has actually been convicted of inciting racial hatred, is a known Holocaust denier, was best chums with a number of neo-Nazis, then expelled from his own party and now declared bankrupt (financially, not just morally)?

Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Are you trying to suggest Nick Griffin isn’t a vile, racist xenophobic ****?

I think what he’s saying was that because he wasn’t found guilty in 2006, Nick Griffin went on to bigger and better things and is now a mainstream politician with a wide support base, challenging the other three parties. Oh wait. No. Everyone knew Griffin was a nasty little racist and getting away with it a couple of times changed nothing.

Personally, I believe Griffin would have gained more support had he actually been convicted in 2006, as this may well have ‘proved’ that the British justice system is as ‘corrupt’ as many on the far-right claim. Would possibly have made him a martyr. Certainly, his political stock fell away following a temporary surge following his acquittal, and other figures came to prominence (‘Tommy Robinson’ and Paul Golding to name but two). Yes, he become more ‘mainstream’ and ‘enjoyed’ some political ‘success’, but lost his place as Britain’s Leading Fascist.

Yes, he become more ‘mainstream’ and ‘enjoyed’ some political ‘success’, but lost his place as Britain’s Leading Fascist.

nah i think he was just ousted by someone saying the same shit with a public school background and a fine collection of blazers

As someone who has had nasty divorce I wouldn’t assign a shred of credibility to anything Bannon ex-wife said

Golden, utterly golden.

See Nick Griffin for a perfect example

Seriously, you’re both trolls aren’t you? At least DTF is funny when he does it.

” i think he was just ousted by someone saying the same shit with a public school background and a fine collection of blazers”

Oh, the irony! Someone from a privileged elitist background, claiming to represent the interests of the ‘common man’, ousting a very common little man. 😆

“Seriously, you’re both trolls aren’t you?”

Ninfan, I believe, takes the position of ‘Devil’s ****’s Advocate’ on such issues, to provoke a reaction. A common tactic by those without a sound, reasoned and informed view on an issue. An attention seeker without much of any real substance to impart.

Jambalaya, on the other hand, does seem to genuinely believe the stuff he posts. 😯

although going by standard trump logic it’s the windows fault.

Rubbish, it’s obvious whose at fault here – the paint is clearly black

I think what he’s saying was that because he wasn’t found guilty in 2006, Nick Griffin went on to bigger and better things and is now a mainstream politician with a wide support base, challenging the other three parties. Oh wait. No. Everyone knew Griffin was a nasty little racist and getting away with it a couple of times changed nothing.

I’m saying that trying to silence him and prosecuting him blew up in the establishments faces and made him stronger
Putting him on question time did the opposite

Sunlight, as always, being the best disinfectant

without a sound, reasoned and informed view on an issue.

Or maybe I’m just not tied to any particular dogma.

“Putting him on question time did the opposite

Sunlight, as always, being the best disinfectant”

Farage got grossly disproportionate airtime leading up to Brexit, and look what happened.

Nothing survives in a vacuum. Ideologies need the oxygen of publicity.

“Or maybe I’m just not tied to any particular dogma.”

You can believe that if you want. Others won’t.

Or maybe I’m just not tied to any particular dogma.

Or maybe when comparing your quotes from various threads, you just come across as a bit of a gun loving racist….

Or maybe when comparing your quotes from various threads, you just come across as a bit of a gun loving racist….

LIke the man said:

Wow, lefties jumping up and down accusing people of ‘ist’ and ‘ism’

Keep going, after all, it’s not like that hasn’t worked out well for you so far in recent campaigns, is it? 😆

You’ve done nothing to allay such suspicions, though.

Or maybe I’m just not tied to any particular dogma.

Your posts certainly sound like you are. If you can’t see it, then perhaps you need to step back a bit.

and we’ve just had the first lady refered to as ‘an ape’….

yay for democracy….

🙁

You’ve done nothing to allay such suspicions, though.

Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah

tpbiker

and we’ve just had the first lady refered to as ‘an ape’….

yay for democracy….

Because there was no racism when Obama was running for President. And his time in office was a blissful utopia that was in no way marred by racial violence and civil unrest. Nope. Trump started this.

Wow, lefties jumping up and down accusing people of ‘ist’ and ‘ism’
Keep going, after all, it’s not like that hasn’t worked out well for you so far in recent campaigns, is it?

I struggle to see how quoting that answers anything to do with not being racist? Which you have yet to deny….

You must be loving all these far right marches and stuff yeah? I bet they even carry guns whilst ranting swoon#

Because there was no racism when Obama was running for President. And his time in office was a blissful utopia that was in no way marred by racial violence and civil unrest.

Err…Trump….He’s the president!? There are morons in all walks of life, some of those morons are racist, sexist, homophobic or more than likely a combination of all three. But I always find it beneficial to ensure that one of said morons sharing such values isn’t the bloke in charge…