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  • jambalaya
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    Molgrips posted that a while ago

    jambalaya
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    @seaso thanks for the Gettysberg link. Intersting that on his 60 Minutes interview the one topic he was focused on was the press reporting. He said social media was very important as it allowed him to counteract that directly. Plenty of discussion on cbsnews.com although not yet the entire interview.

    jambalaya
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    @kimbers it’s hard to give the bottom 20% a big share of tax cuts as they pay so little already. Tax cuts will always have a bias towards those who earn the most. Also Americans who voted for Trump weren’t asking for tax cuts they where asking for jobs and opportunity. America has a very different attitude towards welfare, they don’t want it they want work and better paid work

    kimbers
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    He said social media was very important as it allowed him to counteract that directly

    indeed the guy who thinks sandy hook massacre was a liberal conspiracy and the families of the dead the children are faking it had a phone call from the Grand Wizard President Elect

    Donald Trump Thanks InfoWarriors For The Win

    igm
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    Except Jamba it was the over $50kers who voted for Trump not the unders. Allegedly

    oldnpastit
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    @kimbers it’s hard to give the bottom 20% a big share of tax cuts as they pay so little already. Tax cuts will always have a bias towards those who earn the most

    The libdems managed with their increase of the tax free threshold to £10k. So clearly it’s possible.

    jambalaya
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    Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.

    @igm many high earners vote GOP, traditionally strong ground for them. Where Trump won it was the white working class (ie sub $50k) and the fact that Hispanics and Black voters did not turn out for Hillary as they had for Obama.

    molgrips
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    Molgrips posted that a while ago

    I’m calling that a win.

    Junkyard
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    Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.

    he claims to be a maths graduate working in finance 😯

    Top trolling

    Do some maths will you and get back to us 😆
    Ok I earn 20 k you earn 60k the tax rate is 50% – i am keeping it easy for you- with no threshold

    20k = 10 k tax

    60k = 30k tax

    Increase threshold to 10k
    20k = 5k- ie 50 % of 10k- 25% overall tax rate
    60k = 25k K or 50% of 50K-

    Therefore is 25k of 60 K more or less than 25% of 20 k?
    What is the savings gain for the wealthy ones over the poorer ones?

    Please show your workings just for the giggle.

    You really do have no area of expertise and nothing you cannot get wrong.

    You are the walking embodiment of Poes law

    seosamh77
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    jambalaya – Member
    @seaso thanks for the Gettysberg link. Intersting that on his 60 Minutes interview the one topic he was focused on was the press reporting. He said social media was very important as it allowed him to counteract that directly. Plenty of discussion on cbsnews.com although not yet the entire interview.

    Aye I seen the interview late last night it was on youtube for a while, seems to be gone now.

    tbh it was a fairly weak friendly get to know trump interview, as you’d expect for a first interview. Not really telling us much or too probing..

    taxi25
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    @junkyard.
    But tax doesn’t work like your example. There’s always banding.

    £20,000 paying 20% tax with no allowance pays £4000
    Give a £10000 allowance and his tax bill drops to £2000 or 10%.

    £60000 typically without an allowance pays £8000 on £40000. Then say 40% on £20000 another £8000 so 26.66% of income. Give the higher earner a £10000 allowance and his tax drops by £2000 and is now 23.33% of income.
    In % terms of tax payed the lower earner’s tax position is massively more improved.

    jambalaya
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    Thanks taxi, I couldn’t be bothered to reply.

    Campaigners don’t like to talk about percentage benefit as that doesn’t suit their agenda.

    igm
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    Junkyard – given that tax rates are progressive, he will have a point in absolute terms and possibly relative terms.

    Jamba – I am aware of the tendency of th Grand Old Party or even the Bull Moose Party to attract higher earners. My pint was that Trumps voters are still overall those who will benefit from tax breaks

    kelvin
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    The libdems managed with their increase of the tax free threshold to £10k. So clearly it’s possible.

    Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.

    This isn’t how it worked under the coalition. Each raising of the threshold was paired to a lowering of the higher rate tax bands, so that the better paid did not benefit in the way you suggest.

    Although, since the country decided to destroy the LibDems, the new government was free to change all that, so that they could announce policies that sounded like they helped the worse paid, but helped far more the higher paid. See also all the mortgage games they played.

    There ARE always ways to change tax rules to help the worse paid, rather than the higher paid, but it requires a political will to do so. Neither our government, or the next USA government, have that will, even if they have the rhetoric.

    Both the Cameron, and now the May, governments have been brilliant at taking the language and promises of what used to be centrist (or perhaps even left) policies, and hiding a redistribution upwards in the details of actual policies. Genius really. Mate that to some tough sounding anti-immigrant solgans and policies, and rule for a generation … unless people decide to scrutinise and challenge … but 2016 might have seen that way of thinking off for a while…

    Anyway, the details of the LibDem policy, and the way it was implemented before we booted them out of government, did make sure that it wasn’t higher earners that benefited, which is why more people than ever started paying higher rate tax, even if they hadn’t had a pay rise. Don’t worry though comfy off people… the Tories are fixing that for you… the government is squarely on your side now.

    Junkyard
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    In % terms of tax payed the lower earner’s tax position is massively more improved.

    and they both have the same amount of extra money so his point about who saved most was still not true and your post proved the same as me with a less simplistic scenario

    they both saved the same amount and he claimed

    Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.

    this is manifestly false as they save the same amount and percentages , arguably, show who saved the most, which is still not the higher earner.

    Campaigners don’t like to talk about percentage benefit as that doesn’t suit their agenda

    Hence you did not

    As i said the living embodiment of Poes Law- you did not you mentioned pounds and pence silly not percentages which dont actually support your point re who saves most.

    I really cannot tell what is trolling and what is what you mean. Top marks

    On reflection I figure no one can do that without effort.

    oldnpastit
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    Nicely explained there by Kelvin.

    jambalaya
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    big_n_daft those are definietly amusing but slightly less so the third time posted on this thread 😉

    Don’t worry though comfy off people… the Tories are fixing that for you… the government is squarely on your side now.

    Interesting post kelvin. The Tories would have very far to go to put the tax take back to where it was in 2006. What with personal tax changes under PAYE and the new stamp duty bands (introduced by Osbourne). As I posted before I think you’ll even less top paying jobs going paye. All the tech guys are already finding other ways.

    cchris2lou
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    Farage trying very hard to get himself a job in the government.
    Maybe he should try to be elected first?

    jambalaya
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    Farage is an MEP for the South East, elected till 2019. He is trying to get a job with the US administration it seems not the UK Government. I am really hoping he can be the US’s envoy to the EU, in reality he’ll probably just have advisor status but all the same that’s as funny as hell.

    edenvalleyboy
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    There’s been alot of chat on these political threads accusing Labour of anti-semitism. I wonder how those accusers and defenders of Trump feel about Stephen Bannon? I await the hypocrisy… 🙄

    mikewsmith
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    kimbers
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    Its OK the breitbart white supremacist guy Trump has put on staff has said any deals with the UK- May has to go through Farage, what could possibly go wrong.

    funny, sad and true….

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/nov/14/john-oliver-trump-wins-election-last-week-tonight

    cchris2lou
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    MEP is nothing to do with relationship with USA, he should concentrate on serving the people from the south East in the EU parliament. That is what he has been elected for.

    He is not doing so well when trying to become an mp.

    clodhopper
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    Not wading through all the crap above, but has anyone mentioned Steve Bannon yet?

    mikewsmith
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    yep, think we did the creationist in charge of education

    edenvalleyboy
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    Bump…

    There’s been alot of chat on these political threads accusing Labour of anti-semitism. I wonder how those accusers and defenders of Trump feel about Stephen Bannon? I await the hypocrisy…

    5thElefant
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    Jose Rodriguez is an interesting one as well. Shows Trump is all cuddly and inclusive after all. 😉

    ocrider
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    Nigel “Big fan of Game of Throne’s Petyr Baelish” Farage.
    He’ll be trying to open his own brothel next, only then will the transformation be complete.

    mikewsmith
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    If that who Farage is then I think we know who Trump is playing

    ocrider
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    I reckon we’re onto something here 🙂

    Although, with that hair he’s definitely one of Cersei and Jaime’s offspring

    jambalaya
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    There’s been alot of chat on these political threads accusing Labour of anti-semitism. I wonder how those accusers and defenders of Trump feel about Stephen Bannon? I await the hypocrisy…

    If anyone in the Trump organisation is found guilty of promoting anti-semitism they will be kicked out. No doubt in my mind. As someone who has had nasty divorce I wouldn’t assign a shred of credibility to anything Bannon ex-wife said. I have not seen any real evidence. Trump’s head of fund raising is a guy I sat next to for 3 years when working in NY, he is very much Jewish. As an aside from what I know/read a big majority of Jewish people voted for Clinton. Trump made some high profile statements like moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and it’s believed he will back away from Obama’s critism of West Bank settlements (Obama has had the worst relationship with Israel of any President for decades)

    mikewsmith
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    and it’s believed he will back away from Obama’s critism of West Bank settlements (Obama has had the worst relationship with Israel of any President for decades)

    ah so back to pandering to Israel again…

    edenvalleyboy
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    Haha here we go….let’s blame angry little wifey…priceless. 😀

    kimbers
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    ninfan
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    Wow, lefties jumping up and down accusing people of ‘ist’ and ‘ism’

    Keep going, after all, it’s not like that hasn’t worked out well for you so far in recent campaigns, is it?

    mikewsmith
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    Wow ninfan getting excited and loving the racists…

    clodhopper
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    “If anyone in the Trump organisation is found guilty of promoting anti-semitism they will be kicked out.”

    Really?

    “No doubt in my mind.”

    Ah.

    “As someone who has had nasty divorce I wouldn’t assign a shred of credibility to anything Bannon ex-wife said.”

    Erm…

    “I have not seen any real evidence.”

    I didn’t know you were a lawyer on the divorce case?

    “Trump made some high profile statements like moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem”

    I think the Chinese might have something to say about that:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.698833

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