Donald! Trump!

Isn’t this based on an earlier Simpson’s sketch?

I always thought a fence was going to be more practical.

Doesn’t seem to be any different to the fence legislation put forward by GW Bush which got binned by Congress a few years back.

Tom_W1987

I think Jimjams view that simple political correctness is feeding the alt right is overly simple.

Tom_W1987

I can’t say I’m surprised by any of this, I’ve always held cynical views about humanity – mostly because I’m acutely aware of history.

Tom_W1987

What Harris is saying is again, obvious to anyone who is vaguely cognizant of history,

Tom_W1987

This was all so **** predictable – and few people actually really understanf what happened

Well sorry Tom if my paragraph about political correctness was a gross over simplification. I was trying to make a few points, not write an essay, but Sam Harris elaborated for me. I know it’s painfully obvious to an intellectual powerhouse and renowned historian like you but it’s not a viewpoint that I recall reading in this thread.

He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip

Nope, I seem to have missed it. Give me the position in the video.

slowoldman – Member

He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip

Nope, I seem to have missed it. Give me the position in the video. [/quote]1:03
Let’s see how good you are at twisting words. 😆

Nope Chewkw, Obama does not say he is a Muslim at or around 1:03 or anywhere else that I could see. Some good (well it tries to be good) editing to attempt to give that impression but he doesn’t say it.

Sorry and all.

1.03 in that video. The shoddiest bit of editing ever. Cassetteboy is smoother.

He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip while the second half is about something else.

Where? 😆

Its not “political correctness” that they have rejected though JimJam, white people accepted it mostly through the 90s and 2000s. Identity politics is a subgenre of being politically correct. It’s the loss of universalist values, the values that say we are all the same and values that work for all. What they have rejected is politics along tribal lines, or at least recognized that is where the left have been going and have gone down the same route themselves in response.

This is not the right being angry at not being allowed to use the N word, or having to employ black people etc or being told that they cant be racist. It’s them being pissed off with harrasment of white academics, with being told that they are all privileged and feeling excluded by things like safe spaces. To them, these things feel like hypocritical tribal politics.

The left forgot that its a class war, not a racial one and so lost their white working and lower middle class voting base.

So Trump wan’t to remove 3 MILLION people from the US?

If those 3 million, who presumably don’t want to leave, get organised, that’s more than enough for civil un-rest to become civil war is it not?

He said he wants to deport or incarcerate all the criminals. Which is basically what’s meant to happen anyway isn’t it?

Good way to placate the baying mobs who don’t listen carefully, without actually having to do anything.

Did we do these yet?

@max so you are saying if you try and deport 3 million people who are living in the US illegally there will be a mass uprising ? What’s the point of having any laws at all then just pure Anarchy ?

@molgrips except that is not what is happening currently, Obama has been claiming he has been deporting more people than ever but he counts those refused entry at the border 😯

Kimbers no she was speaking over the very polite American lady who represents Republicans abroad. BTW she was extremely condesending suggesting Trump couldn’t possibly learn on the job or bring anything new as he had no political experience. That was the point, Americans wanted something different and they do not believe politicans of either side have done a remotely decent job. Also incredibly popmpus to imply a politican was better qualified to run a country than a business person. Why the hell not ?

molgrips – Member

Did we do these yet?
See, I predicted it. We’ve lost the ability to use the present perfect. 🙁

igm – Member

Nope Chewkw, Obama does not say he is a Muslim at or around 1:03 or anywhere else that I could see. Some good (well it tries to be good) editing to attempt to give that impression but he doesn’t say it.

Sorry and all.

In that case I shall cook him some pork chops then. Pork chop taste good. 😆

captainsasquatch – Member

He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip while the second half is about something else.

Where? 😆 [/quote]
Look there! There! Don’t you see it! 😆

Chewkw do you mean the awkwardly edited bit that’s obviously been done to make it look like he says he’s Muslim? Or are you talking about a different bit?

I think he means the awkwardly edited bit. It’s pretty clear that the video is rubbish.

akira – Member
Chewkw do you mean the awkwardly edited bit that’s obviously been done to make it look like he says he’s Muslim? Or are you talking about a different bit?

I give up. He is not a Muslim and I am going to cook him a big juicy pork chop. You win. 😆

In that case I shall cook him some pork chops then. Pork chop taste good 😆

Yeah… but no. Obama ate pork on US TV

atlaz – Member

In that case I shall cook him some pork chops then. Pork chop taste good

Yeah… but no. Obama ate pork on US TV [/quote] Good clip that now I can persuade me mates to eat freely. In that case pork chop it is. Not a surprise really. Did I tell you some of me mates with strict religion belief also eat pork in secret. You don’t know that don’t you. 😆 However, that does not make him a non-muslim.

Well why didn’t you just say?

chewkw: he has never said he is a Muslim. A conspiracy nut’s video of hatcheted together out-of-context quotes of him mentioning Muslims doesn’t make him Muslim.

Obama claims he is Protestant Christian. Here’s his interview in Christianity Today magazine in which he says: “I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.”

I’m not very up on religious stuff, but wouldn’t most Muslims say they were Muslim and generally be somewhat against denying their faith and pretending they were Christian?

Anyways…

Harsh exchange of words at the Trump protests:

60 minutes interview, just started watching it the now.

Quite a while ago, we had offas dyke to keep the welsh english apart, watts dyke for similar stuff, then Hadrians wall and a few others, then we have the so called peace wall in the northern part of ireland,israel has the wall, east germany had a wall, north and south korea have a border fence, what Mr Trump is saying is nothing new, and as for deporting ilegals we are also doing that in uk plc, we have hugely costly detention centres, some even burn down,due to carelessly discarded cigarettes etc.

In this country we have food banks,thousands on benefits,a failing underfunded nhs, a poor and expensive railway system, lack of affordable housing,crap repairs to roads, litle cycling infrastructure,council services being desimated etc etc, yet most spend their time having a go at a cheerful grandad type figure who has just been democratically elected by the country, while we have a woman named after a shampoo and who the public, thats us didnt elect, and most of probably would never elect.

Am I correct in understanding that you’re using a combination of things which fell down millennia ago, things which are condemned by the international community and things which the locals on both sides tore down as examples of how reasonable Donny’s plans to build a wall are? 🙄

I won’t even go into the fact that pretty much all the things you mention as bad about this country are far worse in the US.

and now they have a new man and mangement to help change the situation, new broom sweeps clean etc, is a good proverb.

Thats what happens in industry and is a proven way of sorting out problems.

I applaud your optimism (I think that’s the right word).

Though I note at least one of the things you mention being bad here, one of Donny’s campaign pledges was to take the US further away from what would be good (though he does appear to have done a partial retraction now).

thats us didnt elect, and most of probably would never elect.

May would win a GE now by a landslide, personally I think she’ll still be PM in 2020 and will win then.

new broom sweeps clean etc, is a good proverb.
Thats what happens in industry and is a proven way of sorting out problems.

Like when Dominic Chapel bought BHS ? 😆

There is no way Trump can deport 3 millions people . or is it 2 millions ? he is not even sure of the numbers and we are talking big numbers there . He has no intention of doing anything he said .

Those gangs have more weapons and controls than the police , he would have to send the army , and lots of them .

How can someone with 75 lawsuits against him can even be allowed to run for president ?

ignore that vid above btw, it’s not tonights broadcast it’s pre-election.

cchris2lou – Member
How can someone with 75 lawsuits against him can even be allowed to run for president ?

Law suits? Everyone can be sued you know but whether that will go to court and being found guilty is another story.

Everyone to blame for **** like Trump ‘except the people who vote for them’

😆

he is going to court .

ignore that vid above btw, it’s not tonights broadcast it’s pre-election.

Yes I spotted that 😉

cchris2lou – Member
he is going to court .

Interesting. For speeding? 😛

There is no way Trump can deport 3 millions people . or is it 2 millions ? he is not even sure of the numbers and we are talking big numbers there . He has no intention of doing anything he said .

Those gangs have more weapons and controls than the police , he would have to send the army , and lots of them .

How can someone with 75 lawsuits against him can even be allowed to run for president ?

Yes a challenge but does that mean you shouldn’t try ?

That seems to be a very good reason to tackle the problem, Anarchy otherwise. Also a good reason to support legal gun ownership ?

Let’s see how many of those actually turn out to be meaningful or ever have enough merit to make it to court

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37956018

That BBC link is 😮

What a con man !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump