David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

Pointless thread, conspiracy theorist shown to be….conspiracy theorist.

It doesn’t matter, JHJ isn’t interested in evidence or courts, or what’s been proved, or what’s just speculation. He’s got a set of beliefs that he understands and makes sense to him, and they are irrefutable, he won’t need proof from any source other than those he feels back up his case, anything else will be dismissed as part of the cover up.

May as well close the thread, all he’s got are insinuations, part truths, rumours, co-incidences, and logical fallacies, and more to the point, anything that refutes those just proves it more.

Classic case.

You know what’s funny?

That you accept governments do stuff like MK-ULTRA, then do their damnedest to hide it from you, but you believe any old bullshit they tell you time and again, as they take money off you, to kill people in other countries, who’s weapons were indirectly supplied by the government in the 1st place.

You see I’m a bit confused by you using a case where the supposed victim has been shown to be lying as proof of a conspiracy by anybody.

Or are you claiming that the successful prosecution for perjury was part of the conspiracy?

So you’re telling me that a single victim being prosecuted for perjury, by an establishment riddled with Freemasons and perverts, means that the entire basis of a case involving several victims is flawed?

Wouldn’t surprise me if Jimmy Savile was here today, you’d shake his hand if he told you the victims were lying…

JHJ, you kow what? your basic premise “People in posistions of power often abuse that power” isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s a well know and understood. The difference bewtween you and the real world is that in the RW there has to be proof and courts and due process. Even worse than that some people do actually get away with it (see Sir Saville)

Conspiracy theories are just reductive thinking, like religion, it’s a comfort blanket to help you cope with the fact that the world’s a bit shit. It’s the same as “God did it” only now it’s “Shadowy elite did it”

Same thing.

So you’re telling me that a single victim being prosecuted for perjury, by an establishment riddled with Freemasons and perverts, means that the entire basis of a case involving several victims is flawed?

The weird bit here for me is that I know quite a lot of members of “the establishment” from politicians to judges, Mayors to bishops – they never seem to let slip about their secret volcano lairs or their monthly “sodomise a schoolkid” coffee mornings. Mostly they just seem like people bumbling along doing the same sort of dull, mundane work as the rest of us.

Actually wait, does this make me a member of the establishment?

nickc, you know what?

Much as I would like to bow to your wisdom and air of superiority, the fact is, you are a coward.

The reality you refer to is manufactured.

You like the comforts afforded to you by having a government protecting you from ‘terrorists’ even though the government encourages huge arms deals with the countries who fund terrorists and fuel extremism.

You like not having to worry that vulnerable people are being horrifically abused, because someone else will take care of it.

So be it, it’s your life, but don’t you dare judge mine.

That you accept governments do stuff like MK-ULTRA, then do their damnedest to hide it from you, but you believe any old bullshit they tell you time and again

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I’m telling you that the investigation into the case showed that the whole thing was a hoax and that they had enough evidence to actually prove one of them was lying (which requires quite a high burden of proof, hence is an extremely unusual thing to happen). The failure to find sufficient proof of lying by anybody else doesn’t show they were telling the truth.

we have the internet to give us access to a wealth of information…

The problem is that much of the information is complete and utter BS that is factually incorrect yet believed by millions

you believe any old bullshit they tell you time and again

No we dont the problem is you not us.
Because we know they have lied to us you assume they are lying to us every time they speak or say anything and it is all a dark conspiracy and subterfuge.
Facts dont matter as you have the internet and , as this shows, it is full of loons.
We are doomed an investigation finds its false and it is part of the cover up or they find it true and you are right. Either outcome and the “facts” support your view.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Jimmy Savile was here today, you’d shake his hand if he told you the victims were lying

Its frankly disgusting that you keep saying this about anyone who disagrees with you and the mods are being incredibly tolerant of your distasteful abuse.

The weird bit here for me is that I know quite a lot of members of “the establishment” from politicians to judges, Mayors to bishops – they never seem to let slip about their secret volcano lairs or their monthly “sodomise a schoolkid” coffee mornings. Mostly they just seem like people bumbling along doing the same sort of dull, mundane work as the rest of us.

Actually wait, does this make me a member of the establishment?

I’ll reserve judgement, you seem cool enough and have a fair point; I’m not for one moment suggesting that everyone in positions of power and influence is bad, far from it, but that is not to say that a small group get up to some very shady acts and conceal it with all their influence.

So it is. I misread the running time, mia culpa.

Ooh you must watch it. Compelling evidence… that maybe something happened sometime.

Anyway, enough of this internet trivia. I’m waiting for jivehoneyjive’s extensive dossier to be published when he’s finished “working with a number of parties, from victims, to careworkers, to MPs, to get to the bottom of matters”. It should be a blockbuster.

The reality you refer to is manufactured.

You are Lawrence Fishburn and I claim my €5 🙄

You are beyond ridiculous. Seriously. Just listen to yourself.

No we dont the problem is you not us.
Because we know they have lied to us you assume they are lying to us every time they speak or say anything and it is all a dark conspiracy and subterfuge.
Facts dont matter as you have the internet and , as this shows, it is full of loons.
We are doomed an investigation finds its false and it is part of the cover up or they find it true and you are right. Either outcome and the “facts” support your view.

That is hugely judgemental… I could come to the conclusion that you really like to argue on the internet and have armpits that smell like a warthogs nutsack, but it wouldn’t necessarily be true (would it?)

Its frankly disgusting that you keep saying this about anyone who disagrees with you and the mods are being incredibly tolerant of your distasteful abuse.

It’s frankly disgusting that that is the 1st time I’ve ever said that and you make a point of dramatized indignation to try and gain brownie points.

you are a coward.

The reality you refer to is manufactured.
Oh the irony

You like the comforts afforded to you by having a government protecting you from ‘terrorists’ even though the government encourages huge arms deals with the countries who fund terrorists and fuel extremism.

Very few of us here would support this

You like not having to worry that vulnerable people are being horrifically abused, because someone else will take care of it.

distasteful abuse again

So be it, it’s your life, but don’t you dare judge mine.

of course but you feel free to keep suggesting we are complicit in and a turn a blind eye to child abuse as that is not judgemental

but you believe any old bullshit they tell you time and again

I don’t know where you got that from, I think most politicians are full of shit. However, specific allegations of wrongdoing require specific evidence to back them up. Just because I think Callmedave is a lying weasel who seems hell bent on shifting even more money from the poor to the rich doesn’t mean we can start adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent’ approach.

I could come to the conclusion that you really like to argue on the internet and have armpits that smell like a warthogs nutsack, but it wouldn’t necessarily be true (would it?

well the first part is true but i prefer the term debate. Clearly I stray into just arguing but there is abundant evidence to support the claim. The later would be rather hard to tell on the internet but that wont stop you

It’s frankly disgusting that that is the 1st time I’ve ever said that and you make a point of dramatized indignation to try and gain brownie points.

It’s disgusting I object to you suggesting we are complicit in sexual crimes but not disgusting you said it. That is one messed up moral code you have
As for first time – I would be surprised if it is the first time this page and it is not the first time this thread

I don’t know where you got that from, I think most politicians are full of shit. However, specific allegations of wrongdoing require specific evidence to back them up. Just because I think Callmedave is a lying weasel who seems hell bent on shifting even more money from the poor to the rich doesn’t mean we can start adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent’ approach.

On principle, I agree

Makes you wonder just how much piss taking people will tolerate though:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/goodness-gracious

What if similar happened to all the evidence surrounding abuse whilst they were fannying around appointing inappropriate chairs for the inquiry?

As for first time – I would be surprised if it is the first time this page and it is not the first time this thread

Sorry old chap, you are talking utter guff; read every post I’ve ever written and find anything similar?

Ooh you must watch it. Compelling evidence… that maybe something happened sometime.

To be fair, I’d say that’s one of the few credible pieces he’s linked to. Tom Watson is one of the good guys, he’s not prone to making things up.

you are talking utter guff; read every post I’ve ever written and find anything similar?

What have I done to deserve that punishment?
Can I not have some other homework please?

Cougar – Moderator

Ooh you must watch it. Compelling evidence… that maybe something happened sometime.

To be fair, I’d say that’s one of the few credible pieces he’s linked to. Tom Watson is one of the good guys, he’s not prone to making things up.

So, throughout 7 pages of waffle, he has posted 1 credible piece.

Mods please turn him off.

Do your research, JY

I have and apparently it was your fault you attention seeking not enough wheeled aggressive tosspot 😉

So, throughout 7 pages of waffle, he has posted 1 credible piece

Everything I’ve posted is credible, but obviously, you’re not ready for it yet.

Going by what you are prepared to believe for the time being, watch this, it is but 2 minutes long and is a real life news report by the BBC!!

Do your research, JY

I have and apparently it was your fault you attention seeking not enough wheeled aggressive tosspot

Oh crap, don’t tell me aracer is a unicyclist, didn’t realize such dangerous perverts were lurking among us, I really need to do my research 😆

a real life news report by the BBC!!

Hang on, I thought the BBC were part of the conspiracy?

Everything I’ve posted is credible

does this include the ones that resulted in the claimants being prosecuted in court for lying or just the ones where the courts did agree with you?
Oh my mistake the one where they disagreed with you was a cover up by freemasons and the other when they agreed wiht you was true…I think my mind is opening up to the “truth” now I can almost handle the gymnastics required to believe.

Everyone agrees rings have and do exist but this fact does not mean that everyone you have claimed does exist.

Rushing to judgement there I’d say, the BBC employ thousands of people, the vast majority of whom are good. But as anywhere, there are bad eggs…

does this include the ones that resulted in the claimants being prosecuted in court for lying or just the ones where the courts did agree with you?

That’s a misuse of language; as already stated a single claimant was prosecuted, which is not grounds to disregard all the others.

JHJ,

Thanks.

Like a lot of folk here, I know my western reality is manufactured, I’ve read my Noam, been to Robert Fisk lectures and Patrick Cockburn Lectures I’m part way through Jeremy Scahill’s Dirty Wars, I’ve got any number of DVDs…

I understand that Govts (and the people in them) do shitty things, and as I said, the fact there are people in positions of power who have abused children and then covered that up…not a surprise, wouldn’t bet on it not being true. However, that’s a world away from “They’re all at it, and they routinely abuse of kids to maintain power, covered up by shadowy govt. forces in league with the church and the Masons”

It seems I’m being a touch misunderstood; I don’t for a moment think they’re all at it, but there is no doubt that some are and that they are in sufficient positions of power to have it covered up.

David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

I did my research 😀

This is what you said do you still maintain it is true?

Yep, David Icke has been saying that 😉

I tried so hard not to get involved in this but…

It seems I’m being a touch misunderstood; I don’t for a moment think they’re all at it,

Really? Because that seems like a pretty massive step away from your original tenet that “child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.”

there is no doubt that some are and that they are in sufficient positions of power to have it covered up.

I don’t think anyone has ever disputed that some people have used positions of power to abuse children.

Almost every case of child abuse involves some kind of “abuse of power”, be that parent, relation, babysitter, teacher, celebrity or MP. That’s the nature of that particular evil.

But that’s pretty far from saying it is a worldwide shadowy conspiracy involving tens of thousands of co-conspirators.

To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Given that the Jersey cover up and the network surrounding it implicates multiple governments and the Monarchy, with links to several other countries as well, you have to wonder
Given the 5 pages of challenges to you on this it is interesting you change tact
I cannot be arsed with the subsequent denial , “homour” and ad homs that will follow
Obvious troll is obvious

OK, lets take another look at this diagram, which would fit in with some of David Icke’s theories (and which many people all over the world have researched)

As you can see, the majority of the white bricks are mostly just getting on with their lives and probably don’t have a clue what that bunch of purple nasties are up to.

In a similar way to how we all live on the surface of the planet, but no-one really knows what’s at the centre…

Given the 5 pages of challenges to you on this it is interesting you change tact

Of course. It’s Monday morning. The nurse will have been round with his meds. 😆

Edit: oh, looks like he spat them out again.

JHJ, i don’t think anyone would disagree with you about the fact that there are people in power abusing that power, but to go back over ground you seem to want to ignore. You need to show how the routine abuse of children is part of a “central control structure”… (whatever that might be)

It seems I’m being a touch misunderstood; I don’t for a moment think they’re all at it

Well hang on, that’s quite a long way from your previous assertion that “child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite”.
EDIT – I see that’s already been spotted.

That’s a misuse of language; as already stated a single claimant was prosecuted, which is not grounds to disregard all the others.

Well, that’s not quite right is it….

Because they were all disregarded weren’t they.

Because the claims were all judged to be false, and all thrown out as a hoax.

Which resulted in one of the claimants being found guilty of perjury.

Because they were all disregarded weren’t they.

What, like the victims of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Nicholas Fairbairn amongst others?

Yes, that Jimmy Savile:

Anyone remember ‘The White March’ ?
In 1996 over a quarter of a million Belgians took the streets of Brussels in protest of the Dutroux paedophile scandal .. It would be pretty hard to argue that the state wasn’t complicit in some sort of cover up .. Folk can engage in back and forth mudslinging all day but that won’t make the elephant in the room disappear ..

What, like the victims of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Nicholas Fairbairn amongst others?

Nope.

Because those would be entirely different cases wouldn’t they.

As in, not the one that was being discussed.

You know, the one that you brought up, where it was found to be a massive hoax and the claimant got found guilty of perjury.

You brought it up, we just looked at some facts and found out it wasn’t true.

Do try and keep up.

Well, thank goodness there is the “Martial Arts Council for the protection of children against government child abuse”. Where would we be without them?