Conservative coalition with DUP…..

Does the queens speech have to be voted through?

Im off to email my MP….

Oh good grief, now it’s Clinton’s emails 😆

Just to remind anyone who’s not paying attention, the current Labour leader is not Gordon Brown. It’s this chap Corbyn, who retired former leader, ex-MP Gordon Brown keeps slagging off. So if “Gordon Brown sorta nearly did something similar but didn’t” is the best response you have, then you have less than nowt.

Does the queens speech have to be voted through?

Yes, hence why they’ve delayed it as they’ve got to remove some of the more unpalatable items from their manifesto to try and get it to pass.

chakaping – Member
Anyone else wondering, if the DUP are such objectionable ****, why do they have more MPs than anyone else in NI?

more numbers, and that NI politics has polarized much like the rest of the uk.

Does the queens speech have to be voted through?

Im off to email my MP….

No, is the simple answer, Usually the larger party votes for it as it is in their interests. If there is no party with an overall majority it is possible for it to lose the vote. Hence the horse trading with the DUP to ensure it goes through.

Edit!

That’s kind of the whole point. The vote on the Queen’s speech is an endorsement of the government. The protocol as I understand it (though we’re into hypothetical’s here) is that if the vote isn’t passed then the PM heads to the Queen to tender their resignation.

Does the queens speech have to be voted through?

Somebody is unclear on the concept of “monarchy”.

Sectarian headcount.

Trimble’s (more moderate in some ways) UUP fell apart after the Orange Order withdrew its support when it looked like peace was on the cards. Orangemen eh?

Rubbish, it was the failure to reach an agreement on decommissioning. To infer that the Orange Order didn’t want peace is insensitive DD.

But the Northern Irish party reportedly wants Farage to be brought into Brexit negotiations.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/the-dup-could-insist-on-nigel-farage-having-a-role-in-brexit-negotiations-6701540/#ixzz4jnLzsA95

wonderful, the DUP/tories/Farage! Got to be great for the tories long term prospects! 😆

Somebody is unclear on the concept of “monarchy”.

Someone is unclear on the concept of ‘constitutional monarchy’ 🙂

You mean like I did in ’97 ?

Why, out of interest?

(Other than to win arguments on the Internet in 20 years’ time 🙂 )

Why, out of interest?

interesting question there

The Conservative party at the time was stagnant, they no longer stood for anything other than clinging on to power* and we needed change, at the time I voted based on Blairs proven ability to cast off the worst of the historic Labour party dogma and lead us towards an economically successful** centrist vision of the future.

At the time I thought he had been more successful than he actually was in killing off the left wing loons, and as we saw it was only a matter of time before Gordon not only abandoned prudence, but subsequently beat her to death with a shovel and ran away claiming it was nothing to do with him***.

You could possibly argue that I’m naturally inclined towards transformative politicians as being the most effective in improving things (theory of constant revolution?).

* See also Labour after about 2006
**e.g.. ‘I will not allow house prices to get out of control and put at risk the sustainability of the recovery.’
*** See quotes from ‘Blair – A Journey’ and Lord Turnbull interviews here

Anyone else wondering, if the DUP are such objectionable ****, why do they have more MPs than anyone else in NI?

A nice group of people informed voters it would be bad to vote for anyone else…… 🙄

they’ve delayed it as they’ve got to remove some of the more unpalatable items from their manifesto to try and get it to pass.

there’s not going to be much of it left, is there? 😆

There wasn’t THAT much to start with.

The shortest political suicide note in history?

How has the queen’s speech voting worked in the past?

Historically does every opposition MP vote against it? So therefore we only need 3 tory or DUP rebels to see the whole sham collapse?

EDIT: Sorry, just saw it’s been answered above

Come on you rebels!

While I’d love to see TM fail to put a government together, I think the best we can hope for is a short and humiliating term in which plenty of legislation gets blocked – then another GE.

Just to remind anyone who’s not paying attention, the current Labour leader is not Gordon Brown. It’s this chap Corbyn, who retired former leader, ex-MP Gordon Brown keeps slagging off. So if “Gordon Brown sorta nearly did something similar but didn’t” is the best response you have, then you have less than nowt.

To be fair, with chewkw’ endless nonsensical drivel going beyond tedious, watching ninfan clutching at any straw is getting funnier with every post.

A nice group of people informed voters it would be bad to vote for anyone else……

I love how people who don’t like a democratic decision come out with carp like this!

I’m a Conservative supporter, and I agree that this is a complete clusterfunk, but what worries me more than a Con/DUP arrangement is the thinly veiled threats of a ‘return to violence’ that have started to crop up. Fear of violence is what defined the Troubles, and made peace in Ireland so difficult to achieve.

I find it appalling that Labour supporters are effectively using a terror threat to try and undermine our democratically elected government.

& Tory party circa 2017

You could possibly argue that I’m naturally inclined towards transformative politicians as being the most effective in improving things (theory of constant revolution?).

So you did vote for Corbyn? 😯

I’m sure all they said was that they hoped voters would make the right choice.

The Conservative party at the time was stagnant, they no longer stood for anything other than clinging on to power

Hate it when someone else beats me to the obvious conclusion.

I find it appalling that Labour supporters are effectively using a terror threat to try and undermine our democratically elected government.

Have you got any examples of labour supporters using a terror threat?
As opposed to pointing out it is a risk if the tory government is so desperate to cling to power that they get into bed bed with this bunch of religious fundamentalists.

@aracer

In the same way Murdoch only said he ‘hoped’ Gove would be bought back into the cabinet.

BigButSlimmerBloke – Member
To be fair, with chewkw’ endless nonsensical drivel going beyond tedious, watching ninfan clutching at any straw is getting funnier with every post.

Nonsensical? You know you have reached to the point of no return don’t you? My opinions are at least free which cost you nothing but when Labour proposed free this and that then that’s nonsensical. Get it? Yes? 😆

Me work mate considers those voting against the govt in support of the EU bureaucratic system as The gullible … The gullible. I thought he was referring to book about the Gullible Travels or is that Oliver’s Travels? 😆

Anyway, it looks like the oppositions are trying to wreak havoc on the entire population. Oppositions can’t form the govt so wreak havoc as an excuse to persuade the gullible to support them … 😆

Free everything anyone? It’s free … I have money trees. 😆

edit: I have been busy so do not expect me to reply every time you invoke me name … coz I need to work you know unlike you middle class lefties with loads of money. 🙄

I find it appalling that Labour supporters are effectively using a terror threat to try and undermine our democratically elected government.

I think Tory Boi must have forgotten his Ritalin today!

To infer that the Orange Order didn’t want peace is insensitive DD.

😆

Funniest thing I’ve read in ages. Thanks for that.

cite

In the same way Murdoch only said he ‘hoped’ Gove would be bought back into the cabinet.

I was thinking more of a different orange man 😉

I’m pretty sure Enda Kenny also has warned May about any tie up with DUP could nullify the GFA. Not that he has any interest in matters of course…. 🙄

Enda Kenny? What would he know about what’s going on in Ireland compared to a Home Counties Tory?

It’s all part of the Deep conspiracy: Irish gov/IRA/some bearded geezer with no hope of ever making it big in politics….

I think to be fair to councilof10, it has been suggested that the DUP have some significant terrorist connections in their past, and for the Tories to be cosying up to such people after suggesting Corbyn is a danger to us all because he disapproved of all terror not just the IRA is at best hypocritical and a little distasteful, and at worse risks the GFA – I don’t think anyone has said yet that if the GFA breaks down the armed campaign starts up again the day after.

metalheart – Member
I’m pretty sure Enda Kenny also has warned May about any tie up with DUP could nullify the GFA. Not that he has any interest in matters of course….

Why do people have so much interest there out of a sudden? 🙄

@aracer.
There’s a lot of orange fellas about at the moment….

Murdoch was in the room when [the pasty faced but orange hearted] Gove interviewed Trump, DUP want that other orange chap, Farage bought into brexit talks .

Here’s a lovely coincidence…..

‘In the paper, entitled ‘Northern Ireland the Price of Peace’, Mr Gove wrote that he believed the IRA could have been defeated and the Good Friday Agreement was a capitulation to them by Tony Blair.

Mr Gove also wrote at the time that he believed the SAS and other undercover killers should have been allowed to continue in Ireland and could have defeated the IRA.’

And there’s me thinking that May was bringing Gove back in a belated attempt to appeal to the youth vote.

Marching season coming up too. I expect a few extra flags, some extra wide sashes and a bit of volume on the flutes from the ultra-pro-peace-process Orangemen. 😀

Beards, metalheart, that’s what the conspiracy is based on. Of course. 😉

And I’ve just looked in the mirror and realised I’m part of it!

Beards, metalheart, that’s what the conspiracy is based on. Of course.

And I’ve just looked in the mirror and realised I’m part of it!

Ye gods, me too! It’s deeper than I dared thought!!! 😆

chewkw – Member

metalheart – Member
I’m pretty sure Enda Kenny also has warned May about any tie up with DUP could nullify the GFA. Not that he has any interest in matters of course….

Why do people have so much interest there out of a sudden? [/quote]

Because people remember what the troubles meant, and whether it’s a major risk or not, they are glad to have those days behind them.