Conservative coalition with DUP…..

…still looking, this is proving harder than expected

THIS whatever side of the issue you stand we all know that what we have now is preferable to what we had then

People with a hell of a lot of baggage have had to move on towards a more peaceful present and future. Why can’t you?

I’d like to see justice served first and i mean on all sides. No hiding place for murdering scum.

You want to start with former UDA members in the DUP

Oh do tell us their names?

If none of the Northern Irish are willing to forgive,then they will have to fight that war forever.The present situation is so much better than pre GFA,and both sides have moved to help this.

And yes if they have committed any acts of terrorism. All sub human in my book.

no links ?

I’d like to see justice served first and i mean on all sides. No hiding place for murdering scum.

Good point, let’s hold off on the peace while we sort that out

Perhaps the easiest thing would be to lock up all the paramilitaries on both sides,in their own jails,it worked so well in the 70s,or would you like to bring back capital punishment,specifically for NI ?

I’d like to see justice served first and i mean on all sides. No hiding place for murdering scum.

You belong in the past. Well, it seems that you’d probably be keen on Brokenshire’s moves to help the DUP out in their quest for justice (or as many would term it, vengeance) on one side and for legacy issues to be less focused on police, security services and army on the other.

You realise that your mortal enemies in Sinn Féin will quietly stand back and let this happen. It plays straight into their hands. It will also give them an excuse to refuse to support any new assembly. There is also a realistic chance of snap-elections in the RoI as well. SF need to look there for votes too. Harnessing themselves to the DUP and the Tories, as Brexit looms, is not going to do them any favours there.

So there you go; NI paralysed by election after election. You stay focused on the past enough and you might even get a chance to return to it if you like it that much.

You need, like many have, to move on.

Oh do tell us their names?

The British government refuses to release the documents concerning the Dublin and Monaghan attacks.

That would obviously include the security services and rich overseas donors and arms suppliers.

reading the previous 5 pages does little good for the soul.. it seems as if the NI parties are all looking to move forward whilst those on this side of the irish sea want to resurrect issues for political point scoring

reading the previous 5 pages does little good for the soul.. it seems as if the NI parties are all looking to move forward whilst those on this side of the irish sea want to resurrect issues for political point scoring

I actually think the most concerning part of the DUP deal is their dodgy politics, rather than their history.

I see nothing wrong in highlighting the current attitudes of the DUP, as they have the potential to affect all of us.

it seems as if the NI parties are all looking to move forward whilst those on this side of the irish sea want to resurrect issues for political point scoring

I agree wholeheartedly.
Bringing up the past and getting involved in the blame game isn’t going to do any of us any good.

I just hope that this weekend’s events don’t jeopardize the potential for further reconciliation and the potential for lasting peace.

If we want to see the UK government move forward why not release the papers on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

I mean what is the likelyhood that the UK government were behind the deaths of 33 on the republics streets? So obviously nothing to fear and would answer many questions and help the relatives of those who died.

I actually think the most concerning part of the DUP deal is their dodgy politics, rather than their history.

+1

For sure, we can all have a giggle at the irony of the Tories cuddling up to a party with a dodgy past. But make no mistake, the DUP are scumbags who filled a unionism vacuum when Trimble lost the Orange Order’s support, eventually dropping from No.1 party in NI to the recent dismal No.4 (or is it 5?).

Current policies are the issue.

If you look at the history of UK government you will find some pretty horrible things. We, and they, are what we are now not what they were then.

Look at Paisley and McGuiness

This petition is hysterical. The Conservatives won more seats and had more votes than any other party. Under and sort of democratic system that means they get to try and form a Government.

As pointed out elsewhere Corbyn managed only slightly more seats than did Brown in 2010 the main difference is expectations for Labour where abysmally low so in losing by a mere 52 seats it looks like a “result”

Here’s a link to the DUP 2017 manifesto
http://www.mydup.com/publications/view/2017-westminster-manifesto
I’m all for abolishing the TV licence!
Not read it all properly but it didn’t seem too contentious and looks pretty sensible to me but I can imagine that the bits at the end about Northern Ireland identity may seem a bit inflammatory and divisive to some.

The Conservatives won more seats and had more votes than any other party. Under and sort of democratic system that means they get to try and form a Government.

No-one’s arguing that; it’s the choice of bedfellows.

expectations for Labour where abysmally low so in losing by a mere 52 seats it looks like a “result”

No the opposite is true its the high expectations of the tories[ 100-150 you said ] not being met that is what makes it feel like a result and i note you dont want to crow too much about swapping a majority for as minority and losing a 20 % ish poll lead …you winnner you..it must feel awesome and you must have been buzzing for the last few days eh …winning is great isnt it .

I realise that tories cannot defend May – not even you anymore – or try and spin the result as a success so all they have left is to point out labour lost

this is true but the funniest thing is we are so much happier than you are today. 8)

Seen the latest pols – though they always underestimate leads dont they – Labour in front 😉

Few weeks you will be over the result and able to wonder how long it will last like the rest of us.

The Conservatives won more seats and had more votes than any other party. Under and sort of democratic system that means they get to try and form a Government.

Absolutely. I’m more than happy to see them continue in the current vein. May is the gift that keeps giving. The DUP are providing the wrapping paper.

I’d have paid £3.

Like you said you’d pay. But it turned out you never did.

😆

Did some mention Gordon Brown being short of votes?

Labour Repeatedly Tried to Do Deals With the DUP

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup-conservative-tory-deal-coalition-government-theresa-may-arlene-forster-a7782251.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Headline worthy of the Daily Mash

This petition is hysterical

Yeah keep misunderstanding how the young voters view the Tories 😆

Latest opinion polls have 6pt lead for Corbyn, that’s why they are trying so hard to ignore the ugly side of the DUP to keep their tiny majority alive

Unfortunately for the Tories, the electorate aren’t ignoring it

I love that Brexit was supposed to liberate the Tories from their perpetual EU self-flagelation……

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-eu-referendum-poisoning-british-politics-theresa-may-brexit-trump-travel-ban-a7704131.html

As well as throwing Brexit into uncertainty, it means the end of grammar schools, fox hunting and whatever other crackpot ideas the Tories were dreaming up
The black hole of Brexit sucks in all before it

This petition is hysterical. The Conservatives won more seats and had more votes than any other party. Under and sort of democratic system that means they get to try and form a Government.

And if the act endangers peace, Risks breaching an international agreed treaty, brings into power a party with some very questionable ideals, A party that has some serious questions to answer re fraud and bankhanders and funding?

Thats all ok then???

Did some mention Gordon Brown being short of votes?

https://order-order.com/2017/06/11/labour-repeatedly-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup/

Just because they also tried doesn’t make it right.

It is possible for both to be wrong.

When I said justice I meant justice for all. Loyalists, republicans and any state forces involved in murder. So we just let the terrorists get away with it all in the name of peace? Will we include ISIS?

There is no peace, people still being murdered on both sides, drugs, punishment beatings. Political parties still having private armies. Oh yes it’s wonderful! And now a polarised NI Westminster vote, FFS…

Just because they also tried doesn’t make it right.

It is possible for both to be wrong.

Also, this isn’t the same Labour Party: That version were almost as Tory-esque as the Tories themselves.

If only us selfish bastards had done what we are told like we should have, that lovely woman wouldn’t be in this mess now.
Jeez, she spent a fortune putting on an election and some of you went and voted for someone else.
Talk about ungrateful.

There is no peace

No, of course not.

There is no peace, people still being murdered on both sides, drugs, punishment beatings. Political parties still having private armies. Oh yes it’s wonderful! And now a polarised NI Westminster vote, FFS…

Which is why neither Sinn Féin or the DUP should be anywhere near power in the UK, For the English ( and i mean that) Government to take sides in the NI conflict helps no one, it gives some Republicans a legitimate claim that London has seized power. That it has dumped the GFA.

There may be a time in the future when the DUP can be a legitimate part of a British government, but that time is not now, NI is not a calm stable country without armed gangs.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-ira-bomb-plot-foiled-after-6kg-of-semtex-is-seized-in-city-35783978.html

That would be some knee capping!

It’s worth remembering that the DUP were opposed to the Good Friday Agreement. A cynical person might even conclude that they want it to fail.

£100m of taxpayers money well spent I reckon as the Tories are now neutered

Borris, reportedly very unhappy at Goves return

I wonder if Maybot did it just to piss off Johnson before he swoops on her, if Johnson were to be the next PM, he’d look petty & churlish to sack Gove
Maybe I’m assigning more accumen to May than she possesses, if not she’s played a blinder.

The DUP is part of the British government now, as could SF if they drop their issues (they already did it with the Republics government and the devolved NI assembly). Perhaps England need a devolved government!

Perhaps England need a devolved government!

That’s a given, one of the big issues, is that the UK is massively centralised, far more so than any other western country. Devolve power to the lowest appropriate level across the whole of the UK.

The Maybot is still at it

Here she repeats “getting on with the job” 10 times in reply to 4 different questions

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/873983788954640391/video/1

Its great, she still doesn’t understand that endless repetition of vacuous soundbites, doest work!!!