Conservative coalition with DUP…..

Wasn’t much of a fight in that video

Though I hope and expect there will be enough conscientious objectors among the Tories to derail some of their more unpleasant plans.

Hypothetically,

If some elected MPs actually objected sufficiently to stand down / switch parties, would May then have to fill more seats to secure a majority? I’m assuming the number of seats required is Right Now rather than at the point the vote was counted. Is that something that could happen?

Cougar,thanks for the correction,you are of course pedantic,and correct,but the practice is different,isn’t it ?

It’s started…

Has it?

“Supporters said it was a pre-planned march and not a response to the General Election fall-out.”

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the practice is different,isn’t it ?

Different from what, sorry?

My point was that it appears they’re saying that being gay and not acting on it is worse than being a paedophile and acting on it.

implying

Ah, implying, right…

Just that some of their views are so off with modern, multicultural, multi-sexuality Britain

Yeah, that democracy thing, you know, the one that people voted for them under…

theotherjonv

Apart from the fact that homosexuality (and indeed sodomy, if that floats your boat) are not vile acts, they believe that they are VILER than child abuse?

Horrible.

That’s nothing. Did you know homosexuals cause hurricanes?

Sorry Cougar,actually trying to agree with you.

So how many people were killed by the UDA during the troubles ? Is it a competition ?

Nobody claimed they were being restrained in their comments. If it was a competition the PIRA can claim most killed and indeed most Roman Catholics killed.

Some people find the Tories/Labour manifestos disgusting doesn’t stop them running the UK!

Ah, implying, right…

Oh, sure, if I’m wrong then they’re simply saying that anal sex between two consenting adults is worse than abusing children. That’s totally better and a stance I’d be leaping to defend.

I do worry about you sometimes.

Except, not

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jul/22/northernireland.gayrights

“I clearly intended to say that child abuse was worse than even homosexuality and sodomy … At no point have I set out to suggest homosexuality was worse than child sex abuse.”

Tory boi now trying to defend the underendable – hysterical.

Does he learn from his mistakes or prefer to just live like a mushroom?

So why was she so careful to make the distinction,if she didn’t mean it ?

Yeah, that democracy thing, you know, the one that people voted for them under…

Like I said, perfectly legitimate for them to stand on those issues and indeed for people to vote for them, and for them to gain seats on that basis and take up those seats and represent their views and the views of their followers IN PARLIAMENT

And if they get (heaven forbid) enough followers and enough seats to be the majority party then I suppose democracy means that they can form a government based on those views. That’s democracy.

But democracy doesn’t mean that you should go into alliance with them if their views are so far removed from your party’s views and the modern society we value.

So why have the tories done it?

Do they find those views acceptable?
Or are they (is SHE) so desperate to cling to power she’ll hold her nose however shitty the smell?

Or is there another reason? I’ll offer one – that she believes she can change their views as part of the co-operation. In which case I’ll add deluded to power-crazed, and expect when she finds they have her over a barrel (she needs them far more that the other way round) she’ll do the honest thing and say that the co-operation is no longer fit to govern.

Fair?

If some elected MPs actually objected sufficiently to stand down / switch parties, would May then have to fill more seats to secure a majority? I’m assuming the number of seats required is Right Now rather than at the point the vote was counted. Is that something that could happen?

If they switch sides – called crossing the floor- then they do not need to stand down as an MP and it reduces her effective majority by 2.
for her to loose, by convention, she needs to lose a no confidence vote rather than just be beaten on a vote. TBH once/if this happens regularly they will call another GE

“I clearly intended to say that child abuse was worse than even homosexuality and sodomy … At no point have I set out to suggest homosexuality was worse than child sex abuse.”

So when they actually said that homosexuality was worse than child abuse, they subsequently clarified that they really meant to say that homosexuality was exactly the same as child abuse. That’s totally better and a stance I’d be leaping to defend.

I’ve a spade you can borrow if you like?

I think she made herself perfectly unclear by mis-speaking, (hardly the first MP to do that) but was very careful to clarify

A fuller explanation here

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/robinson-disputes-reporting-of-anti-gay-comments-1.946258

Not views that I agree with on homosexuality, but since they’re not illegal ones I would entirely defend her right to hold

That’s totally better and a stance I’d be leaping to defend.

You probably want to avoid reading those bits about Aisha in the Koran then.

like clarkson they tried so hard to not say it that they said it OBVS

To be fair Iris Robinson was a woman with upstanding morals and no hypocrisy or scandal about her.

Just like her husband.

A fuller explanation here

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/robinson-disputes-reporting-of-anti-gay-comments-1.946258

what I clearly intended to say was that child abuse was worse even than homosexuality and sodomy,” she said.

That’s totally better and a stance I’d be leaping to defend.

To be fair Iris Robinson was a woman with upstanding morals and no hypocrisy or scandal about her

😆

So she had no idea about the corruption involved in the RHI scandal,which her husband was part of ?

Not guilty of,obvs.

You probably want to avoid reading those bits about Aisha in the Koran then.

Sorry, I missed that, I was too busy reading about non sequiturs and straw men.

No she predates RHI with her hypocrisy 🙂

wonder what all the homosexuals in the tory party think of the dup-pers, theyll not bend over backwards to make them welcome.

cv: The Good Friday agreement was/is two-sided. The British government agreed to give up its arms (army, orange-doninated RUC, special services working with loyalist paramilitary groups) and the likes of Kelly renounced violence too. The British government signed up to impartiality. It’s worked. It’s based on trust, I trust kelly not to go back to his old ways, he needs to be able to trust the British government not to go back to its old ways of favouring the Unionists.

British government not to go back to its old ways of favouring the Unionists.

I’d favour anybody that wouldn’t try to kill me or my family!

That’ll be anybody committed to the peace process then.

From wiki;

Kelly later became a leading member of Sinn Féin and played a role in the Northern Ireland peace process negotiations that led to the Good Friday Agreement on 10 April 1998. In promoting the peace process he had talks with Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern.

wonder what all the homosexuals in the tory party think of the dup-pers, theyll not bend over backwards to make them welcome.

I see what you did there.

Ah that makes his heinous crimes absolutely fine then. Rewriting history…

Ah that makes his heinous crimes absolutely fine then. Rewriting history…

People with a hell of a lot of baggage have had to move on towards a more peaceful present and future. Why can’t you?

Ah that makes his heinous crimes absolutely fine then.

Yeah, that’s exactly what people are saying, hang on, I’ll find a quote of somebody saying that, I’m sure it won’t take long…

None of the heinous crime on either side were OK. That’s why an end to the troubles was so desperately needed. Kelly was very much a part of that peace process and I repsect him for the role he played.

No-one is rewriting history, just learning from it and moving on to a peaceful future. Anything that threatens the curent delicate balance is bad news. May forming an alliance with the DUP goes against the spirit of and commitments in the Good Friday agreement.

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SV by all means remember the past but it is past. You can not change it you can influence the future just like Mr Kelly. How you choose to do that is your business but I would recommend that you (plural) work to better the province. Be the change you want to be. (Or do you not do change?)