Christening Children for Schooling purposes

Oh dear……

If you want an adult conversation (I left the schoolyard many years ago) I’m happy to continue.

If you take the easy way out “I’m so cynical, I’m cleverer than you”, carry on.

Charlie – are you going to answer my question or not?

Less of the schoolyard histrionics would be nice.

Right last chance, my last attempt as my last two replies have dissapeared into the ether…

Charlie – if you wish to come up with an adult reply please do so.

yes you cannot say all cathlolics are messed up and not to be trusted it is just silly. Charlie experiences are neither here nor there obviously not all catholics are mental – why you reach this conclusion of over a billion people based on

very little personal experience

is lost on me.
Raindrops ? What do you mean when they join you just get one bigger one equal to the weight of the two parts. or 1 + 1 = 2 semantics or more weight [ see tired but I can still do weak puns]to it than that? Never heard it curious
Why do you think astrophysics has no evidence?
It cannot explain everything-like all any brach of knowledge- but it is clearly factual /obervationally /objectively based – and incomplete

Ah – my posts have appeared :-/

I have made it very clear that my view on the RC church is not based on (much) personal experience.

The usual STW tirades against organised religion are not (apparently) based on any personal experience.

Therefore my view is not invalid, however I am happy to hear any views of people who know far more about the RC church than me. I have yet to hear any.

THE WHITE CAT IS SCARED BY ALL OF THIS 🙁

Charlie – are you going to answer my question or not?

what question?

or 1 + 1 = 2 semantics or more weight

no, not semantics, more about epistemology of mathematics. Some think of mathematics as a set of ‘truths’. Other see it as a way of modelling the world. I’m of the second camp. As such, 1+1=2 is only true under some circumstances (as i see it) there are circumstances where it is not true.

“yes you cannot say all cathlolics are messed up and not to be trusted it is just silly.”

Yes, a fair point. However most of the predictable STW hysteria whenever religion is mentioned p*sses me off greatly.

I have no problem with people saying religion is a load of old tosh (men in silly hats etc), as I have aleady said I am not a believer myself. However I do have a problem with the regular STW outpouring of vitriol against the church, simply because most of it comes from people who have never been near a church in their lives.

Hence my view of the RC church may be “silly”, but that makes it no less valid on this forum, and I am happy to be educated……

What question?

CharlieMungus, perhaps you’d care to reveal the experience that has led to your views on the church – maybe then I’ll treat your views / utterings with respect.

I forgot the question mark. Apologies.

Yes, a fair point. However most of the predictable STW hysteria whenever religion is mentioned p*sses me off greatly

Thank God you reduced it with this statement based on very little personal knowledge then

Roman Catholics = properly ****ed up, attracts really quite odd / unhinged people, wouldn’t trust my kids anywhere near them

Hence my view of the RC church may be “silly”, but that makes it no less valid on this forum

What opinions that are silly and not based on much evidence are no less valid than non silly informed ones … if you think that there seems littl epoint debating ….except for sport but it is too late for that

Which I quantified. Which bit are you missing?

CharlieMungus, perhaps you’d care to reveal the experience that has led to your views on the church – maybe then I’ll treat your views / utterings with respect

No thanks,not really in this kind of conditional discussion. However, i would like to thank you at this stage, i quite like Junkyard but seem to disagree with him quite often, you seem to have allowed us the opportunity to agree.

Nice cop-out. Well done.

Night night.

“In the name of Jesus,in the name of Jesus,we have the victory…”

Nice cop-out. Well done.

Night night.

Not a cop-out, just don’t see why you can’t start by treating someone else’s views with respect and further, have no urge to prove myself to you.

science is not based on facts its based on theories

No it isn’t. It’s based on evidence.

What many percieve as science facts are in fact theories which best fit the current evidence.
But the point stands that learning science “facts” is largely pointless in this day and age. Learning how to interpret data and understand and evaluate evidence are the important skills that science teachers should be developing whilst still giving them enough “facts” to understand the science. Science is a process not a body of knowledge

But the point stands that learning science “facts” is largely pointless in this day and age

I understand you need to understand how the process works and what to do with infomration – yes of course we want children /adults who can think for themselves – though I am less sure the state does. However to say it is largely pointless to learn what we already know and understand today makes no sense to me. Should we just teach science methodology and epistemology and wish them well in the world ? Dont teach physics facts and just let them discover Newtons laws of motions for themselves armed with good thinking?

i quite like Junkyard but seem to disagree with him quite often

I believe this is called respect. It is a very rare commodity on here. However for the life of me, I just cant understand why someone as articulate and bright as you are so often wrong 😉

But Newtons Laws of Motion aren’t much use by themselves. They need to understand what they can be used for. If they understand that, it doesn’t matter if they aren’t quite sure what the laws are (Do you know them offhand). They can google them. If I want to work out how fast something would be falling after 1 metre, I’d be better knowing that there is an equation which will let me work it out, rather than know F=ma, but not knowing what it means.

I only got two but i learnt them 25 years ago.
It gets worse the one I did not know was the one you gave me 😳
I see your point but you need a modicum of both knowledge and the ability to apply it. Perhaps in this changing world you can get away with knowing where to look or what button to use on the calculator/computer to get the correct answer – which was always my approach to statistics- but not necessarily know how it works.

Perhaps in this changing world you can get away with knowing where to look or what button to use on the calculator/computer to get the correct answer – which was always my approach to statistics- but not necessarily know how it works.

Well, the knowing where to look and what to believe are the important changes. Knowing how / why it works is also important for advancement, but clearly there are a large number of fairly high level jobs where just knowing that it does work, is good enough.
This is not a trivial point, one which most education and assessment systems still miss

True but unless we teach both we wont learn new stuff.
the one I wonder is when they will just teach children to type /text and not bother teaching them to write as ,possibly within my lifetime , it may become a redundant ability.
I only teach adults BTW – my curriculum knowledge is out of date- and it is mainly life skills stuff but I also do key skills – I hide my ability to teach English very well on here

Dont teach physics facts

what are these physics “facts” you speak of?

Of course kids need some knowledge of currently accepted theories in order to understand the process but in the modern fast changing world the process’s become much more important, mr gove thinks kids dont know enough science facts which only serves to highlight his stupidity as there arent any

what are these physics “facts” you speak of

1) You can’t polish a turd

It is a mute point to discuss facts in this context as some facts have little to no conflicting evidence and have much divergent information from a multitude of fields – evolution for example. I am not certain what percentage of what we know now is a fact – earth is round and it orbits the sun but the Big bang is not a fact for another example. If you are claiming nothing at all is a fact then surely that would also not be a fact 😉

i have a science degree I do get your broader point here about science reducing infinite error etc, what the conclusion means and nothing really being proved and just being the best fit etc.

EDIT: Not only can you polish them you can find a guide on google – see I knew you could but did not knwo how to – it was mentioned on STW some time ago
http://www.howtocleanstuff.net/strategies/how-to-polish-a-turd/