Can this be right?

Attenborough will be stepping down soon RudeBoy, fancy taking his place for us?

G = poor little antelope? 😆 😆 😆

My guess he’s the sort of ‘poor little antelope’ who would lure hyenas into a trap, hog tie the lot of them before gang banging the whole pack whilst dressed like Margaret Thatcher….

er….just an opinion of course

DD; no probs. Although the commentary might be just a tiny bit more ‘lively’…

“And here, we see the leopard stalking it’s prey. It slowly circles round the unsuspecting antelope, waiting for just the right moment… And the chase is on! GO ON MY SON! ‘Ave it! Nice one, it’s got the bastard! Antelope’s fecked, it’s all over. What a poncey animal. W4nker.’Old on; what’s this? Some lary C of a hyena’s come to ‘ave a butchers; look, it’s getting all lary. Ged aht of it, you slaag! Heh! ‘E’s ‘ad it away on ‘is toes. Give it the biggun, but e’s all mahf. The leopard’s the guv’nor!’

I think that’s what the audience wants, to be truthful.

😀

My mates just rung me in tears from the police cells. Apparently he made a bit of a mistake – he walked into a local bank with his shotgun and a balaclava and asked to withdraw some money. He’s been sentenced to two years. His 9 kids and 2 wives are going to have to live on the streets because those complete bas…….. that jury have taken away his living.

How does that compare that to that shoplifter who was banned from Woolies last year for taking a few pick’n’mix. It’s the same thing ffs.

He’s such a nice guy! Can anyone help?

IdleJon; that is terrible. My sympathies are with your mate; he’s obviously the victim of a terrible Miscarriage of Justice. The Jury are obviously racist.

How did you know he’s an Eskimo, Rudeboy?

Finished my DIY chores for the weekend, so hurrah and back again.

1) So lets start with a hands up from everyone whose never broken any traffic law?

2) Then a hands up from those who’ve broken a traffic law and never been caught?

3) Been caught braking traffic laws.

No need for a long post, just go for No. 1, No. 2 or No. 3

I’m 1 and 2, in fact I had 11 points on my licence for 12 months once. Had 6 on there, then got done again. Plus I’ve been done prior to that , so thats 4 speeding tickets over 32 years as a driver. Broekn loads of other laws and not been caught.

I have done some serious speeding and a bit of double white line crossing. Thats about it tho. Think thats it tho. However I never bleated when I got caught.

Once more – if you can’t do the time don’t do the crime. Nowt better than 135 mph up the A9 or A82

Not reading all of it, but there will be more to this than we were told at the start.

Must have been a hell of a speeding offence to get taken to court and be banned when they had 3 active points.

Also, could someone give me a brief synopsis of the thread please. 😀

Smee – I think he had 9 so got banned under totting up – but six have / would have now expired

So they have expired now, but not at the time of the offence.

I read a good line about driving offences, cant remember where – most traffic offences can be categorised as failing to spot the police.

(assuming it’s not all made up)

I was assuming that there were 9 active points at the time of the latest offence, but that 6 of them had since expired – ie.e between the offence and the court appearance. That does make we wonder if those 6 were all for speeding – surely that would be speeding plus something else?

Smee – failing to see the police or gatsos and you are about right

Smee – Member

I read a good line about driving offences, cant remember where – most traffic offences can be categorised as failing to spot the police.

That was my first comment. Ignoring the question of who has and hasn’t exceeded the speed limit, if someone can sail past 4 speed cameras and not see them, then there has to be some question mark over their observational abilities.

All speeding.. nothing else.

That must have been two speeding offences (2006?) very close together?

All speeding – I can understand getting caught speeding once, but 4 times. That to me indicates major shortcomings in driving ability and attitude. I would have someone like that going for an extended retest as they are quite clearly shit at driving.

How many points for this offence? The one that led to the ban.

Go on the Smee, what your situation, 1 2 or 3??

I got caught speeding once. Took it on the chin and learnt from it. Now I teach people how to avoid getting caught speeding.

The majority of people on the road think that the standard of driving is piss poor. When asked about their own driving ability they mostly say above average. Hmmm.

Nobody ever seems to take responsibility for their actions either. One person I encountered recently who had crashed into the back of another car at a T-junction complained that it wasn’t their fault as the car in front had stopped unexpectedly. Dont know about you but I expect most cars to stop at junctions…

Feel sorry for him.

Should have argued his case given him one more chance and a hefty fine and community service.

But also he has driven 4 times like this? he’s a danger to anyone at any time.

I feel for his family.

But I also feel for the person he will knock down.

I got caught 70 in a 60 dual carridgeway. Drove like Miss Daisy ever since and cyle fast instead.

He can get other transport/access surely.

Like TJ said-don’t do crime-4 times after getting caught! 2 times-hello wake up?! 3 times big slap. 4times ok we have to take action.

30 is 30mph and I have tons of ppl driving on my bumper but it doesn’t work to make me break the limit.

Hope the guy learns and doesn’t lose his work though.

I had 9 points at one point about 4 years ago, all for speeding on the motorway or dual carriageway. I have a clean license now and for 2 years I basically drove 30K a year at the speed limit. I never speed in a 30/40 now, but other areas are fair game..

How can you be 1 and 2 when you’ve broken traffic laws and been caught. Surely that makes you a 3?

Anyway, on the basis of the categories as you wrote them I’m a 3 – I speed regularly and have been caught once. Slightly disturbed at your admission that you’ve broken lots of other traffic laws – can somebody suggest other laws I might have broken, as off the top of my head I can’t think of any I have. It strikes me that a lot of other laws you might have broken would make you a bad driver and/or dangerous.

I’ll point out that when I admitted to regularly speeding above, that’s speeding in 70 and 60 limits – like djg I don’t speed in 30/40 limits as I consider it is a road safety issue to speed in those. Got caught doing 85 in a 70. Unlike your mate (and you), just getting one conviction was enough to make me change my ways – not that I necessarily slowed down in general, but I certainly do in S Wales where I consider myself likely to get caught on that sort of road. If I’d got 9 points I’m pretty sure I’d not speed at all for as long as it took to get rid of some.

zaskar, do you know mine apart, (obviously), that is the most sensible post on this whole thread. Totally agree with your point of view.

Slightly disturbed at your admission that you’ve broken lots of other traffic laws

Yep, I’m a complete nutter me, I’ve parked on double yellows, stopped and dropped my Mrs off at the shops in a no stopping zone, crossed the white lines on a cross hatched area, and worst of all, I’ve answered my phone whilst not moving in a queue of traffic!! Not to mention obviously the numerous times I’ve transgressed the speeding rules.

So call me Josef Mengele and whip me with a rolled up copy of Walk! I’m sure I deserve it.

PS : For the record I’ve held a full UK licence since 1979, on average I’ve done 60,000 pa for all of that time, I’ve never had a major accident, (been nudged in a car park a few times, sort of thing) and I’ve had 4 endorsements for speeding over those 30 years and 1.8 million miles.

TJ: “double white line crossing.”

Outstanding – reckless driving as opposed to just speeding…

Smee: “I got caught speeding once. “

So you have broken the law more than once? Perhaps you should report yourself for the other times then?

I was a field service engineer for an electrical retailer for 11 years, doing around 40-45k a year, covering most of the northwest, from Wigan/Leigh to Nelson, up to Carlisle.
No points.
My job depended on my ability to be able to drive a car.
No license, well you probably get the picture.
The throttle is there for a reason.
That said, a fellow engineer escaped a ban (over a ton) by getting a hefty fine and obtaining the services of a barrister.He was lucky.

Zokes – on the road from Ballachulish to Fort william – all double white lined but plenty of places to overtake safely on a bike just not in a car.

Illegal – yes, unsafe – no

Illegal – yes, unsafe – no

In your opinion.

In the aforementioned case, I would have thought that in his opinion, 37 mph on a deserted road at 2 am was safe, yet he was happily chastised for it on here. Just trying to regain a sense of perspective….

Fair enough. My opinion my safety.

There is a difference between breaking the law and being unsafe. the 37 mph was perhaps not unsafe ( I certainly didn’t chastise him for that speed)But was illegal and he got caught for it.

I have never said I don’t break speed limits and stuff nor have I chastised people for doing so when its safe My point merely is don’t bleat when you get caught.

If you know the road in question and ride a bike you would know that it is very frustrating. The straights are not long enough to overtake in a car on but easily long enough to overtake safely on a bike due to the faster acceleration. If I had been caught for this and other indescretions I wouldn’t have bleated about it.

I would have thought that in his opinion, 37 mph on a deserted road at 2 am was safe, yet he was happily chastised for it on here.

I don’t know about anybody else, but I wouldn’t chastise him for it being unsafe (still depends on circumstances – I can think of some places where 37 is unsafe even at 2am). It’s a bit of a silly thing to do if you’ve already got 9 points though.

Meanwhile I’m with TJ on double-whites. There’s an awful lot of over-use of them – personally I’m very happy that lots of cars break the law by crossing them to overtake me when I’m cycling (in situations where it’s perfectly safe to do so).

There you go then – I have broken another traffic law by crossing double-whites where they’ve been used inappropriately (IMHO that means them being marked where it’s safe to cross them to overtake somebody doing 11mph).

Oh right, so its selective law breaking thats OK then. Incidentally, wheres the bleating thing come from?

(No No officer, I made a value judgement based on my knowledge of my vehicle, the road conditions and the excessive use of legislation by you lot, and it was IMHO perfectly OK for me to ignore the law 8) )

Oh right, so its selective law breaking thats OK then.

Well of course it is – most of us admit to speeding in some circumstances.

Incidentally, wheres the bleating thing come from?

G – Member
what seems to me to be an injustice… Am I wrong to be outraged?

Zokes – on the road from Ballachulish to Fort william – all double white lined but plenty of places to overtake safely on a bike just not in a car.

I drive that road every day. I agree with you that there are more places where a bike can overtake than a car, but I see just as many appalling overtakes by bikes as I do by cars. More often than not it’s riders in groups that take the greatest risks. Last weekend there were 9 RTC’s involving motorbikes in Lochaber, 1 fatal and 2 with serious injuries. That is a lot.

Information from defensive driving course recently was that crossing double whites to overtake is permissable where the slower vehicle speed is less than 15mph.

acracer : Check this out

Now then, no argument regarding that fact he’s done wrong, but is this punishment, that looks like making him unemployed, as the sole breadwinner in a family of 5 (given that for example the driver who recklessly killed the Rhyll cycling club 4 only got £180 fine and 6 penalty points), reasonable and proportionate.

No sermonising please, but I am thinking about writing to my MP about what seems to me to be an injustice, and the huge discrepancy in sentencing. Am I wrong to be outraged?

Now I can see how you can, if you wish take it that way, but as I’ve repeatedly stated, my point is, is it reasonable and proportionate in relation to the attitude the system takes to much more serious transgressions on the roads? For yet another example, its now starting to look like no charges will be made against the driver who killed the Army major on the A1 at St. Neots the other week. So whilst I admit, that from a defensive viewpoint I personally wouldn’t even consider cycling on the A1, the facts are that the guy was doing what he is perfectly legally entitled to do, and he was mown down from behind by a driver, on a clear open road with something like a mile of visibility, and yet apparently they’ve done nothing wrong. Consider that next to the £4000 mtb rider who ran down the lass and was villified. There again there was no real evidence of wrong doing on his part, other than the outcome, yet, he is charged and given the maximum sentence. Not right at all IMHO.

as I’ve repeatedly stated, my point is, is it reasonable and proportionate in relation to the attitude the system takes to much more serious transgressions on the roads?

As we’ve repeatedly replied, no, the more serious transgressions should be dealt with more harshly. However you don’t seem to like us agreeing that your mate’s sentence was fine.

Oh, and you might not be bleating about the fact he got done, but you very definitely are bleating about his sentence.

Nope, only insomuch as there does need to be some sort of proportion in these things, otherwise it is simply unjust

Just out of curiosity G, at what point should your mate have been banned? Or should he be allowed to carry on speeding (or being caught speeding to be precise) forever?

otherwise it is simply unjust

bleating

aracer – Member

otherwise it is simply unjust

bleating

and?