Are gypos like migratory birds?

I have been working in my current office for almost 5 years now and just across the road from our car park is a vacant one, which does not seem to be used by any of the buildings around here.

Last week we had our annual gypo invasion, but they were gone by the weekend.

This has happened for the last 3 years and they always tend to arrive in early to mid April.

Anyone know where they go for the winter? LOL!

Also, I walked past the car park where they had been staying at lunchtime and the mess they make is unbelievable. Where one of the caravans had been there was a pile of grey plastic down pipes and guttering, what on earth were they doing with that?

Yes, they're both protected species 😉

If you are asking us if travellers travel I think the answer is a yes.

Edit: Probably shouldn't 8)

i got banned from the forum once for talking about travelling folk and the crap they leave behind. admittedly my solution to the problem was somewhat extreme, but i think if implemented the problem would go away…..

Don't get me started!

I **** hate them with a passion.

There are a group on the common land just outside Thetford at the moment. They are gradually accumulating a pile of old fridges. Any bets on them be taken away and properly cleared up when they leave…… yes by the local authority do I hear you cry?

Now what boils my piss is that you need a licence to carry waste. They won't have one and therefore an offence is being committed very publically and openly. Do the old bill do anything about it? No of course not.

Compare that to me, I'm a tax payer and local resident. If I take my refuse to the local tip I get quizzed on whether its commercial, I have to sort it, cow-two to the refuse nazi's and have random rules applied, like for example you can only tip two bags of rubble in one visit and any more than that is deemed to be demolition waste whatever that means!

So someone plaase justify to me why these twunts can just do as they please whilst costing everyone else a fortune and contributing nothing??

My village ended up with a £40,000 clear up bill the last time we had the pleasure of their company for a week. So c'mon Gordon what you going to do about it eh????

BIGOT!

You're damn right! Thats me, a bigot with a vote so now whats he going to do about it??

i got banned from the forum once for talking about travelling folk and the crap they leave behind

No Alpin; you got banned for suggesting they should be burned or gassed or something. Which is pretty **** nasty, don't you think? That Human Beings should be treated thus, just for making a bit of mess?

admittedly my solution to the problem was somewhat extreme, but i think if implemented the problem would go away…..

A Final Solution, perhaps?

Berm Bandit, it doesn't fall under the old bill to deal with environmental crime. Fly-tipping / illegal waste disposal is the responsibility of the Environment Agency and your local authority. So best grumble at them instead

There's travellers, and there's messy c**ts. There is some overlap.

Last year they decided to set fire to some of the trees surrounding the car park and smash all of the street lights down there.

The year before I walked past one of the caravans and a little girl of about 4 came running out and then I heard the mother shout, "Donna-Marie! Donna-Marie! Come back here or I will kill ya, ya f*****g bastard!"

No Alpin; you got banned for suggesting they should be burned or gassed or something. Which is pretty **** nasty

If you had not snipped the quote off at a convenient point to validate your reply, then you would have seen he acknowledged this.

i got banned from the forum once for talking about travelling folk and the crap they leave behind. admittedly my solution to the problem was somewhat extreme,

Fly-tipping / illegal waste disposal is the responsibility of the Environment Agency and your local authority. So best grumble at them instead

Not IME. Police were very interested when I reported one incident. And they weren't travellers, just scum. Most of the stuff fly tipped around here seems to be garden and building waste.

it doesn't fall under the old bill to deal with environmental crime.

So like I said whats he going to do about it. I've got the problem, what I'm looking for is an answer!

Seems the diddy-coys have sussed it, as illegal waste disposal seems to be their new game of choice. Do you reckon the bottoms fallen out of the driveway business?

but he added

but i think if implemented the problem would go away

suggesting he still agrees with his extreme view
BB you really want Gordon to decide what he is going to do on this issue think he might be a bit busy till the 7th then free , but powerless, to help. Why not contact someone who both cares and can do something abut it as suggested above?

My village ended up with a £40,000 clear up bill the last time we had the pleasure of their company for a week. So c'mon Gordon what you going to do about it eh????

My Local Health Authority ends up every year with a bill for many millions, to treat people, many of them children, for respiratory illnesses and problems caused mainly by traffic pollution. Traffic pollution caused very much by people who don't live in the borough.

I wonder who's going to do anything about that?

Traffic pollution caused very much by people who don't live in the borough.

What no one in your borough drive or receive any services etc from people who do then?

We had some travellers outside my work recently, they left behind a big mess when they went including quite a bit of human excrement left in our car park.

BB; most of the traffic at peak times is transitionary; people travelling through the borough to get elsewhere. People not delivering 'services' to the borough, generally, no.

Just making the point that the environmental impact is far greater than a bit of fly-tipping.

I don''t, however have any xenophobic agenda to match that on here however.

are you in favour of their lifestyle though ?

I don't understand why councils have to provide sites for them (I know it's the law, but why maorally). So I choose to buy a great big caravan and wander around the country leaving physical and social destruction in my wake and I get special treatment as a reward. These days it's purely a lifestyle choice, it's got sod all to do with ethnicity or any other such cobblers and it costs everybody else who lives within the norms of society a lot of money. The cost of schooling travelling kids alone is ridiculous.

If people not categorised as travellers behaved in a similar way they'd soon be in trouble for all sorts of environmental crime, not ensuring their kids are in school, squatting, the list goes on.

I just genuinely don't understand why they get specialist treatment, is it some perverse interpretation of race relations policy?

Xenophobic??

Not sure where you get that from…. all I want is for them to be treated equally with the rest of us….. you know? pay taxes, receive services, live under the same legal framework. Not sure how thats xenophobic, I'm more than happy to share both my burdens and the rewards for them with anyone.

PS: Regarding environmental impact, thats not frankly my point. My point is hwy is my environmental impact policed and any failure to comply punished when theirs isn't?

are you in favour of their lifestyle though ?

I must confess that I, like I suspect most people on here, have very little knowledge of 'their' lifestyle, so feel ill-equipped to comment or pass judgement.

I live in an area that is also inhabited by quite a number of travelling people. The vast majority that I've encountered seem to be quite nice really. I'm sure there are rogue elements, but then the same is true of those who live in more permanent abodes.

I do understand that there are some who experience certain issues for which they may receive certain help and social services. As is their legal right, like all other people. I don't consider them any different, in that regard.

I live in an area that is also inhabited by quite a number of travelling people

Is that an oxymoron by any chance?

Is that an oxymoron by any chance?

No. Why would it be?

Are there still some travellers in residence in the car park at the bottom of lee quarry? had to blag a light from one of them the other week for my post ride ciggy, they were making tea on a campfire listening to soul, they seemed right enough, though they did have a cock in a little cage, budget alarm clock or cock-fighting?
Coincidentally if anyone finds a metal clipper lighter up in lee quarry could they let me know via stw? i liked that lighter.

Xenophobic??

Not sure where you get that from…. all I want is for them to be treated equally with the rest of us

Sic.

ill-equipped to comment or pass judgement

fair comment, I'm in the same boat myself, never had much to do with travellers, however ..

The vast majority of them seem to be quite nice really.

I think this opinion is a tad controversial !

😉

Local school near me made the local papers recently when one school kid called another a pikey (as the said kid was a 'traveller')… Next day the traveller kid mum turns up at the school to try and resolve this….

….Knife in hand and going loco by all accounts!!! Yeah, they're the salt of the earth.

Still, must be some progress, as this one was in school! He must of got lost walking his dag.

I don't understand why councils have to provide sites for them (I know it's the law, but why maorally). So I choose to buy a great big caravan and wander around the country leaving physical and social destruction in my wake and I get special treatment as a reward. These days it's purely a lifestyle choice, it's got sod all to do with ethnicity or any other such cobblers and it costs everybody else who lives within the norms of society a lot of money. The cost of schooling travelling kids alone is ridiculous.

I don’t understand why councils have to build roads and educate the children of people who live in houses- do you know how much a school costs to build and operate?. I understand they even have to collect the waste these people make from bins as they seem incapable of dealing with their own waste themselves. Some of these people go mental if you suggest they recycle and you only collect waste every fortnight As it is purely a lifestyle choice to life in a house why does my council let the, i tell you it is political correctness gone mad
EDIT: yes davidr that is the kind of attutude that will make them want to engage positively with society 🙄

Still, must be some progress, as this one was in school! He must of got lost walking his dag.

Let's hope he did slightly better than you, eh? 😉

Like fish in a barrel, this…

Is that an oxymoron by any chance?

No. Why would it be?

If you live in an area that is inhabited by travellers then by that token they clearly aren't travelling are they?

You don't live here by any chance do you? An area inhabitated by travellers

If you live in an area that is inhabited by travellers then by that token they clearly aren't travelling are they?

Did I specify that they are in permanent or even long term residency? Don't think I did…

then by that token they clearly aren't travelling are they

It's called aTransient population (see definition 2)[/url]

EG – You can also live in a place populated by holidaymakers.

It strikes me as a desperately grim life, I can't see the attraction. Was it easier, less fraught and more pleasant 100 years ago, Wind In The Willows style?

Did I specify that they are in permanent or even long term residency? Don't think I did…

Just asking, because there are two sorts that I know of, those that stay for along time, and those that know exactly how long the legal process to move them on takes, and leave the night before service of the eviction notice.

I personally would be very impressed if you managed to have any sort of dialogue with this latter group. Not least because you would do extremely well to understand what they said if, and it’s a very big if they would even talk to you.

Interestingly, I have very mixed views on the Dale Farm situation. I don't agree with their decision to totally ignore planning law, but for the reasons mentioned by Big dummy (It strikes me as a desperately grim life), I can see their point.

Not got alot good to say about em….as i have just posted on a thread a few places up from this they have chased me a few times with a view of taking the bike from under me which i escaped from(albeit knackered and frantic), and last year i nearly got clothes lined in the dark…litterally, as i biked through an encampment and then got a load of abuse for the bare cheek of riding through their turf!! they were camped on a public cycle way in the city…

I don’t understand why councils have to build roads and educate the children of people who live in houses

OK, I think you're being deliberately obtuse there. The council is there to provide services to the people in it's area. However they have limited resources so therefore can not provide every service to every person. The point I'm making which you no doubt understood was that I don't understand why one group who make a lifestyle choice so far out of the norm get specialist treatment. others who make lifestyle choices outside of the norm don't get preferential treatment. To take your recycling analogy, people get into trouble for putting recyclable materails into general waste. The council has made a decision their lifestyle choice is not compatible with the operations of the council yet the government decided the much more extreme lifestyle choice of travellers should be accomodated. Still haven't heard a valid reason why this would be. In an ideal world we'd all live the lifestyle of our choice. We're not in that place and have to live together which means we all need to moderate our lifestyle choices so as not to detract from others choices to much.

Junkyard wrote

EDIT: yes davidr that is the kind of attutude that will make them want to engage positively with society

On the contrary, they are very happy to engage positively with society and take full advantage of education, health services etc. Problem is that they haven't quite comes to terms with the taxation aspect which enables them to enjoy these services!