[Closed] Almost shaking I am so angry

It's hard to understand what motivates some people!

That's bad but how about a [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16690300 ]maximum three months sentence for executing women and children (BBC News)[/url]?

The world is a very scary place sometimes.

needs locking up, throwing key away, letting wild animals tear him apart.

It's an awful story, but really....

Almost shaking I am so angry

You should probably get some help for that. 😐

IS it outwith sentencing guidelines?

Are you going to do anything constructive about this or is this YET ANOTHER "aren't things awful" thread?

I just hope the little girl forgets

Good thing he didnt do something serious, like make a stupid facebook posting.

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/8705212/Facebook-riot-inciters-among-those-to-get-toughest-jail-terms-yet.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/8705212/Facebook-riot-inciters-among-those-to-get-toughest-jail-terms-yet.html[/url]

Are you going to do anything constructive about this or is this YET ANOTHER "aren't things awful" thread?

What do you suggest?

I just hope that little girl forgets

+1

It's an awful story, but really....

Almost shaking I am so angry
You should probably get some help for that

Quite.

You should probably get some help for that.

I think having very young daughters makes you think about it in a different context. You can't help but think of them in that situation.

 

Lets hope that some of his future inmates in Glasgow Prison hear who he is and provide their own justice on the twisted git

Glasgow Prison

Its ok, he'll be welcomed in prison.

I only read the first few sentences, things like that get to me too much.

He should get the death penalty, simple as that.

for the op, i'm curious - prior to having young daughters are you saying you would have been less bothered on the grounds it didn't really concern you? and if so how did you justify it to yourself?

and, once you've got over the tremors, other than posting on here what are you actually going to do about it?

Sorry, got Glasgow mixed up with Edinburgh...

I wouldn't want to be in either of them prisons - full of psychotic Begbie characters

It'll be especially worse for kiddle fiddlers

Please bear in mind it's very possible he's probably wired up wrongly due to having a similar childhood. I'm not defending what he's done I'm just saying it's obvious that he's not a straight thinking individual. I'd put money on the mother having "issues" as well. It's fair to say her character judgement is waaaay off.
I dare say the prison welcome committee will have something special planned.

for the op, i'm curious - prior to having young daughters are you saying you would have been less bothered on the grounds it didn't really concern you? and if so how did you justify it to yourself?

and, once you've got over the tremors, other than posting on here what are you actually going to do about it?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that when you imagine something like that happening to your own kids, it brings out more emotion. I'm surprised you need an explanation.

And what do you suggest I do about it?

Frank, ignore the ^^^ comments, don't get into explaining yourself to shit stirrers.

Please bear in mind it's very possible he's probably wired up wrongly due to having a similar childhood.

Always the defence used by the Defence Solicitors isn't it?

A sort of devolving responsibility away from the individual.

Then again human nature and all its about not taking responsibility for your own actions when faced with punishment.

I only read the first few sentences, things like that get to me too much.

Reading that sort of stuff almost brings me to tears.

Always the defence used by the Defence Solicitors isn't it?

I just hope the little girl forgets

The girl is going to be affected for the rest of her life. This should be remembered when sentencing. Her life is going to be a challenge everyday.

In attempt at mitigation..

for the op, i'm curious - prior to having young daughters are you saying you would have been less bothered on the grounds it didn't really concern you? and if so how did you justify it to yourself?

You're trying to get a rise, and you probably will from the fathers reading this thread so go troll elsewhere.

If you are really, really asking that question, then you'll never understand the answer.

hora - it's possible he doesn't know he's doing wrong. He might get a clue though on day one of prison.

He'd have to have learning difficulties for that way of thinking.

on day two of prison he'll probably have walking difficulties.

the sooner capital punishment comes back, the better........imho that is. 😀
some offenders deserve to die.

Frank,
I think you are right to feel so angry. Why shouldn't the awful suffering that poor child has been through make people angry? Can't believe anyone would question it really, but that's singletrackworld for you...

on day two of prison he'll probably have [s]walking[/s] [b]sitting down[/b] difficulties.

FTFY.

I just hope the little girl forgets

+1, heartbreaking.

as for the offender, what good will 6 years in prison do? will it change him, I would argue no. It's not like theft, or assault, he will come out just as ready to do something like this again. either lock him up for lfe, or bring back the death penalty.

for the op, i'm curious - prior to having young daughters are you saying you would have been less bothered on the grounds it didn't really concern you?

as a father of a toddler. before I had my son I would have been disgusted by this, of course I would have, just like the majority of people. after having my son, and imagining him going through what that girl went through changes everything. I'd protect him to the end of the world, without exception, and if anyone tried to harm him in that way, or any other way I would do them serious damage with no hesitation at all.

Do not look to the judicial system for justice, these creatures pose a threat that should be removed.

As long as it is financially beneficial for those involved in the judicial system to have there be wide spread crime, there will be no motivation on their part or the governments to implement any measures to reduce it.

Lord Woolman said: "This was an appalling act of violence. Because of the risk you present it is also appropriate to impose an extended sentence. That is to protect the public."

Extended sentence?

I clicked on the link and now really wish I hadn`t.....thats left me feeling rather nauseous

There are some very sick f****ers out there

Thats a similar age to my daughter...... 🙁

As long as it is financially beneficial for those involved in the judicial system to have there be wide spread crime, there will be no motivation on their part or the governments to implement any measures to reduce it.

Is there anything that kaesae can't spin into conspiratorial nonsense??

well said Warton,
before become a father I would be horrified by that news story,
since become a dad to twin boys (now 2 and half years old) stuff like this horrifies me a 100 times more

what i'm getting at frank, is that, given what you've said above, prior to your kids being born there must've been a time when this wouldn't have affected you in the same manner. ergo, is your response to a crime predicated upon empathy rather than an innate sense of right/wrong.

as to what i'd suggest, that's really not what i was asking is it? the question is one you might have to answer when your daughters are old enough to ask it.

when she was wee my daughter's concern were more about censorship and sexism than violence. we had lots of entertaining exchanges, esp as she got older, mainly because she knew if she expressed an opinion she'd better be willing to back it up and, esp if she was wanting me to go in to bat for her, to be sure about her justifications. she grew up pretty well in spite of that!

so, if she'd been discussing the above with me my response would be that it bothers me whenever someone has violence done against them and that, rather than getting angry towards the perpetrator or the case, the details of which we can't know beyond a media report we should remember that there are a pair of parents somewhere who will be feeling powerless, bereft and in a place none of us would ever want to be. my concern would be for them and their families and my energies would be directed towards that.

as for the guy that did it. as long as he's had his due process they can drop him down a well for all i care.

It's an awful story, but really....

Almost shaking I am so angry

You should probably get some help for that.

I guess you're not a parent or this kind of thing hasn't affected your family? Not a subject for smartarse comments IMO.

The damage done by this offence will far outweigh any possible value the offender's future life could hold.

six years plus
"The judge ordered Watt should be kept under supervision for four years after his release. He also placed him on the sex offenders’ register indefinitely, despite both the Crown and defence arguing against the move."

So four years monitored by the probation service and indefinite supervision by the local police specialist team. Any messing on eather supervision would lead to a custodial sentence. Also if the police believe he poses a risk they will get a sex offenders prevention order.

Unless we do revert to barbarism not exactly a lenient sentence.

Almost shaking I am so angry

Wow. You must either be incredibly naive or overly sensitive to certain things.

Yes I would probably kill anyone who did it to my daughter, but shaking with anger because you read about it in a paper - really?

oh, and while i'm on the topic, family centred counselling - that's one of the services that's being cut round these parts. nice, eh?

I'm not a father and I'm sure I'd feel differently if I was. For those that are though: do you feel like you have some greater insight/understanding due to it, or has it just made you a bit irrational? Genuinely not trying to have a dig, but getting that angry over any news story seems weird to me.

As Warton said - this bloke won't change in 6 years or 30.

Whether he reoffends or not will be more down to opportunity than any other factor. No one who does this sort of thing ever gets 'better' they may try and control it (possibly successfully) but the feelings that caused the behaviour will still be there.

As a society we should either castrate this type of person (physically or chemically) or we never release them.

for the op, i'm curious - prior to having young daughters are you saying you would have been less bothered on the grounds it didn't really concern you?

as a father of a toddler. before I had my son I would have been disgusted by this, of course I would have, just like the majority of people. after having my son, and imagining him going through what that girl went through changes everything. I'd protect him to the end of the world, without exception, and if anyone tried to harm him in that way, or any other way I would do them serious damage with no hesitation at all.

This, because you relate it to your child. Is nothing too low for some people on here to try and get a rise, Swiss et all?

the headline you have to click on to get to the story linked to by the OP is

Toddler sex attacker sent to jail

An East Lothian man who sexually abused a toddler leaving her "horrifically" injured is sent to prison for six years.

I can't help but wonder what the OP thought he was going to see if the story left him "almost shaking with anger". Maybe something that would make hime [b]actually[/b] shake?

if you're thinking anything i've posted on this thread is in order to get a rise out of someone duckman you are sadly mistaken. perhaps try reading the posts next time?

ergo, is your response to a crime predicated upon empathy rather than an innate sense of right/wrong.

On a similar note, prior to being a dad I couldn't give a flying toss about kids (apart from those of friends and family) but now I have tears in my eyes when watching One Born Every Minute. Something just clicks inside you (well me anyway).

I did read the posts,

and, once you've got over the tremors, other than posting on here what are you actually going to do about it?

I might be wrong,you might not consider that attempting to get a rise out of somebody, but it looks like it to me and the other people who commented on your post. So apologies if you were not trying to troll.
Aye Right.

I can't help but wonder what the OP thought he was going to see if the story left him "almost shaking with anger". Maybe something that would make hime actually shake?

WTF?

He should get the death penalty, simple as that.

no. it isn't as simple as that.

Poor, poor child; I hope she learns to forgot what happened to her.

A friend of a friend who works in a Prison 'treating' paedophiles, says that the really tragic part of this crime is that most of them were victims when they were children and they are just continuing the cycle, and society just wants them 'safe' rather than 'better', due to budget constraints, which doesn't help break the cycle of abuse.

Some people may see that as an excuse, however in reality its just a sad and tragic fact about just how damaged some of these people are.

As for what to do with them, I am damned if I know.

society just wants them 'safe' rather than 'better' which is much easier for the offenders to fake.

Isn't that the issue? IIRC, there isn't a single recorded case of a paedophile being "cured" or "made better".

My word, truly BS central on here today.

'Shaking with anger' ...get a grip. You don't know them or the familey. Six years is realistically a tough sentance under the guidelines.

What are you actually angry about the offence or the punishment? I'm not saying there is no reason to feel angry their obviously is but come on 'shaking with anger'?

And as for those who advocate the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as him imo. There is no excuse for the death penalty full stop. I had hoped as a society we had moved on from such barbaric and inhumane practices.

duckman - that's why i put a bit of time into the follow-up post for just that reason. apology accepted and mine proffered to anyone to anyone else who may've misconstrued my first post.

Isn't that the issue? IIRC, there isn't a single recorded case of a paedophile being "cured" or "made better".

I don't know if that's true or not, as I never asked them about it. Seems a little to much like a sweeping statement of fact to be true to me though.

Think about it, the headline 'paedophile continues to not re-offend - children safe' isn't every likely to be seen in a paper is it?

So if some of them are released back into the population, and don't re-offend we would never hear about it.

As long as it is financially beneficial for those involved in the judicial system to have there be wide spread crime, there will be no motivation on their part or the governments to implement any measures to reduce it.

My word, truly BS central on here today.

Lazy to call other people's honestly held opinions BS Frodo.

And as for those who advocate the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as him imo. There is no excuse for the death penalty full stop. I had hoped as a society we had moved on from such barbaric and inhumane practices.

Now who's spouting platitudes?

can't believe this thread is still running. It's obvious people have polar opinions on this, there's going to be no agreement 🙄

For what it's worth I comfortable with the treatment he'll get in prison due to his actions.....

Seems a little to much like a sweeping statement of fact to be true to me though.

Must be rubbish then. 🙄

Although pedophilia has yet no cure, various treatments are available that are aimed at reducing or preventing the expression of pedophilic behavior, reducing the prevalence of child sexual abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Treatment

What gets me is why read beyond the headline.

I know its going to be horrid so I stop reading.

As a society we should either castrate this type of person

From the Wikipedia page cited by Wrecker,

Castration, either physical or chemical, appears to be highly effective in removing such sexual impulses when offending is driven by the libido, but this method is not recommended when the drive is an expression of anger or the need for power and control (e.g., violent/sadistic offenders)

... is interesting, I think. Because, contrary to popular opinion, the Daily Mail "chop their bollocks off!" brigade's preferred solution wouldn't necessarily always work.

What the solution is, I don't know. Nor, I suspect, does anyone else, or we'd be doing it. But it's nice to know that there's actually a sensible reason why we're not routinely booking sexual offenders in for surgery.

believe or not, Wikipedia isn't considered to be a reliable source of information, so just because it says that every paedophile has re-offended that doesn't mean its true.

What gets me is why read beyond the headline.

I know its going to be horrid so I stop reading.

I like the new TJ.

This is the approach I take to many threads on here, but the OP suckered me in with his non-specific title.

people like this either end up in the community being looked after by people like me, or being looked after by people like mrsconsequence in prison.

chemical castration doesn't change the mental urges, just the physical ability.

6 years in prison, sex offenders register for life, probably released under the highest MAPPA level, press interest in his case will mean all sort of delays and complications.... messy.

fingers and toes crossed the girl doesnt remember is as she grows older. i know girls who were abused at the ages of 2 and 3 and they have no knowledge it happened, will probably stay that way unless their mum decides ever to tell them. not quite as horrific as the case being discussed.... in my humble opinion that could go two ways: 1 - she remembers everything and it'll mess with her head for life, or 2 - her mind wont let her know it even happened. fingers crossed on the latter.

The punishment is not harsh enough.

Hang the scumbag or at least waterboard him every year.

The population need depleting so getting rid of such scumbag is not wasteful.

believe or not, Wikipedia isn't considered to be a reliable source of information, so just because it says that every paedophile has re-offended that doesn't mean its true.

No it certainly doesn't. But on this particular topic; it clearly knows more than you.

chewkw - Member
The punishment is not harsh enough.

Hang the scumbag or at least waterboard him every year.

The population need depleting so getting rid of such scumbag is not wasteful.

+1

why are people like this allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?
why are total life prisoners, who are gonna spend the rest of their life in jail, allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?

lethal inject all the lot of em.

Trouble is there's always people who'll worry about his human rights - whatever that means. People like this should just sort of be disappeared quietly.

shyte to his human rights.

shyte to his human rights.

why are people like this allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?
why are total life prisoners, who are gonna spend the rest of their life in jail, allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?

Because we live in a (mostly) civilised society.

Because justice can sometimes be wrong. Because in five, ten, fifty years time, new evidence can be found, new treatments can be found.

Because, thirty years ago, we didn't have DNA profiling. Because, in another 30 years, we might be looking back to today where we hadn't invented Paedo-B-Gon gene therapy.

Because highly emotive situations mean that it's hard to make a rational decision.

Because death is so very, very final.

shyte to his human rights.

See, the thing about human rights, well, the clue's in the name.

You could posit that he's not human though, arguably.

lethal inject all the lot of em.

That will NEVER happen in this country, so we (as a country) have to find another way of dealing with them.

That will NEVER happen in this country.

If it does, let's get it in for voluntary euthanasia first, hey?

kill the ****er.
in fact, let me do it.

we all have a opinion 😀

"The worst genital injuries ever seen" by the surgeon (on a child or adult) and some on here think that package of punishment is adequate...

As for the OP's tendency to shake, why the hell make an issue of that?! He has every right to express his anger. I hope philc is right in that this girl 'might' forget, I have my doubts.

I'm guessing he's looking at solitary.

No it certainly doesn't. But on this particular topic; it clearly knows more than you.

and how exactly do you know that?

My point is, you don't have a clue who upgrades/creates the Wikipedia articles and they are notoriously inaccurate due to the fact that any numpty can add whatever they like. So you may be quoting what a 13 year old spotty teenager thinks is factually accurate (as teenagers know everything already) rather the actual truth!

I know for a fact, that you will not find a decent scientist in the world who talks in absolutes, so to say that *every* paedophile in the world, over all history has re-offended is blatant bollocks, as we simply cannot know this to be a *fact*.