Almost shaking I am so angry

Paedo-B-Gon gene therapy

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Don’t suppose you had a hand in naming Anusol, too…

Horrific case and i would be happier with a much longer sentence so that no one ever is at risk of this again so life would fit the crime.
some other comments

Is there anything that kaesae can’t spin into conspiratorial nonsense??

Is it conspiracy theories because they are all true?

For those that are though: do you feel like you have some greater insight/understanding due to it[being a parent], or has it just made you a bit irrational?

you cannot really explain it to someone who doe snot have kids – I know you have heard this before but you cant.
your entire jobs as a parent is to protect your child , nurture it watch it row, love it unconditionally.

The thought of this happening to your own child is so horrific that we either dont think about it or get upset to even contemplate it. Yes these stories have greater effect on me now I am a father than before.
If someone did this to my child you would have one bleeding heart liberal in prison for murder.
Its is undeniably primal, instinctive and perhaps even a base instinct but it is there…you protect your kids its what you do. It is obviously less subjective but I am not sure i would go as far as call it irrational

Don’t suppose you had a hand in naming Anusol, too…

I think perhaps you could have phrased that question a little better… (-:

and how exactly do you know that?

Well, this is an indicator;

and society just wants them ‘safe’ rather than ‘better’

We cannot make paedophiles “better”. It’s not a disease.

so to say that *every* paedophile in the world, over all history has re-offended is blatant bollocks

Nobody has said anything to that effect. Without turning this into a squabble, a paedophile is a paedophile whether they act on their urges or not. They don’t have to offend to be one.
When you consider this; you realise that “safe” is all we can hope for. I applaud the actions of philconsequence and barnsletmitch for having the stomach to try and ensure this happens. Most of us couldn’t (me included).

OP you could find out if the sentence is within guidelines, if nyes then try to change them through the democratic process etc.

One could write lots. What saddens me is that some of the most vocal admit they only care because they have children. This is no basis on which to sentence scriminals.

Further, the righteous tend to gather and knock anyone who’s not saying “string them up” etc. This stifles any thought or rational debate.

Lastly, paedophiles have been victims and have had any chance of the normal functional lives we enjoy taken from them brutally in crimes like this. They are wired up wrong through no fault of their own. Of course they have to take responsibility for their actions, but killing them seems a pretty lazy, barbaric and inhumane response.

Crankboy seems to think the punishment seems fair I’d say by the way the end of his post reads, I’d say being tortured over the remaining period of his life would still be to lenient.

I would have no problem in killing someone who harmed my children like that.

im all for barbarism and inhumanity then.

Wikipedia articles… are notoriously inaccurate

Yes, they are. But that’s a world away from actually being inaccurate.

Lastly, paedophiles have been victims and have had any chance of the normal functional lives we enjoy taken from them brutally in crimes like this. They are wired up wrong through no fault of their own. Of course they have to take responsibility for their actions, but killing them…

*they’ve normally been victims, not always, but definitely everyone i’ve worked with. similar to domestic abuse in that respect!

If this girls grows up to be a sex offender and molests kids, should she be killed?

EDIT – that question is for the ‘he deserves to be killed’ crowd. not you al! 🙂

colud cut that blokes bollocks off with blunt rusty pinking shears and no anasthetic(then rub salt in )

Further, the righteous tend to gather and knock anyone who’s not saying “string them up” etc. This stifles any thought or rational debate.

I don’t think it’s a matter of knocking anyone for saying that, and I’m not saying that society wouldn’t be better of witout these people. I just think it’s a wholly unrealistic proposal, so kind of pointless bringing it up, beacuse it ain’t gonna happen. Not in Europe, not ever.

I don’t see why it should stifle a debate of how to deal with offenders.

al you make a good point but for many the primary goal here is to make sure it does not happen to our kids.

Personally i find the crimes to be crimes against humanity…no one normal would do this kind of crime…without a cure[ not possible iirc] i dont want them out on the streets seriously who would do this ?
How is this just 6 years..i would get more if i was starving to death and did an armed robbery of a shop with a knife.
i would not go a s far as kill but 6 years us about 50 years to short IMHO

Sharia law anyone?

Ok, here’s a question for those of the opinion that he shouldn’t be allowed to live.

The poor girl victim in this case grows up, and in an amount of time – let’s say, 20 years – hits the headlines. She’s arrested for child abuse, having savagely beaten and violently sexually assaulted a small child in her care.

What’s her sentence? Castration? Lethal injection? Life imprisonment? Therapy and rehabilitation? Counselling? Brain surgery? Flogged and dragged through the streets?

Knowing her history, should we still throw the book at her? What’s that say about us if we do? Now, how is that different to the current case?

ton, your choice.

How much thought have you put into your view?

For the “just kill them all” crowd…if a child relative of yours was abused and so grew up to be a paedophile, would you happily see him executed as an adult because of it?

EDIT Junky part of my point is that sentencing should an rational consistent…and not down surely to the victim…or those that love to get indignant in sympathising with her.

lethal injection for anybody repeating my question 😉

kind of pointless bringing it up, beacuse it ain’t gonna happen. Not in Europe, not ever.

It’s good to discuss occasionally, if only to remind ourselves why that’s the case.

I would have no problem in killing someone who harmed my children like that.

I’m sure you’d be quite happy paying the price for this act too and can also understand why there is some serious vetting before juries are selected, only in the name of justice, like.

What saddens me is that some of the most vocal admit they only care because they have children. This is no basis on which to sentence scriminals.

Although I have a daughter the same age as the poor victim here, I still probably wouldn’t support the death penalty if I hadn’t seen how this kind of offender can ruin multiple people’s lives and pull families apart.

Yes some paedophiles are victims, but many victims of paedophiles do not go on to offend (but still suffer their entire lives).

It’s a utilitarian thing I think. Those who offend once are likely to do so again and in cases as serious as this the offender’s continued existence is not a risk worth taking.

your entire jobs as a parent is to protect your child , nurture it watch it row

So you’re responsible for our successful rowing teams! 😛 😉

So your responsible for our successful rowing teams!

Ironing alert!!! 😆
EDIT: Stealth editing doesn’t work when quotes are used, you’re banged to rights, my son.

Its so sad it happened for the child and her family.

Questions need to be asked about why and how it was allowed to happen, the problem will be stopping it happening again in the family circle.

Al…….yes i would mate.

I’m wondering if the admission of guilt was part of the reason the sentence was so low? It sounds like he snapped and went out of control (exactly what the string em up merchants are doing?)

Don Simon
Yes just like in the movie, A time to kill.

ton – easily said – your own son?

I have a daughter.
I don’t believe in killing.
She knows this.

I don’t see how killing someone for harming/killing her would in any way be respecting our relationship and the values I’ve tried to teach her.

your entire jobs as a parent is to protect your child , nurture it watch it row
So you’re responsible for our successful rowing teams!

no you misunderstood me, they are training to be big hitters on here there is nothing they cannot have a row about it, nothing. 🙂

Junky part of my point is that sentencing should an rational consistent…and not down surely to the victim…or those that love to get indignant in sympathising with her.

you are right but I just do not see 6 years as any where near acceptable for this type of crime

But druidh…you can’t really lover her then?

EDIT 😉

But druidh…you can’t really lover her then?

How do you mean “lover” as a verb here al? 🙂

Collect up all the chav dogs discussed elswhere and feed these kiddy fiddlers to them. Probably televise it on a Saturday evening, better than x factor.

Cripes…add in RLJs and it’s a winner!

I’m wondering if the admission of guilt was part of the reason the sentence was so low?

It said as much in the BBC article IIRC; reduced from 8 years to 6 years.

Anyone seen Brass Eye’s “Paedogeddon” episode?

I can understand people talking about stringing him up, etc. – it is, undoubtedly, a horrific crime that creates, understandably, emotive responses from people. However, it’s all pointless, as we dont have the death penalty in this country. There really is no point just keeping saying it, it’s never going to happen. Hora – your comment about ‘he must have learning difficulties to do that’ is both misguided and insulting to anyone with or involved with people who have learning difficulties – my little lad has a learning disability, does that mean he’ll become a paedophile? Stop talking bollocks, please. And just to dissapoint folk even further, he wont be ‘welcomed to prison’, he’ll be segregated for his own protection. Yes, somebody will probably get to him at some stage, but I very much doubt that there’ll be a welcoming comittee. What’s the answer then? There really isnt one – we could certainly start by increasing funding for long stay specialised units, but I cant see that happening any time soon. Shit isnt it?

‘he must have learning difficulties to do that’ is both misguided and insulting to anyone with or involved with people who have learning difficulties – my little lad has a learning disability, does that mean he’ll become a paedophile?

Surgeons must be very clever. Therefore, all clever people are surgeons?

I agree with the rest of your post, but you’re twisting his words there, which is unfair.

I’ve got a young daughter and no inclination whatsoever to follow that link. If reading something like that makes you imagine similar things happening to your own family I can believe that you might become furiously angry. Surely it would be better to avoid similar stories in future?

I agree with the rest of your post, but you’re twisting his words there, which is unfair.

Well, seeing as that’s what he wrote, I’m not really am I? (edit) I realise that I’m probably being a little sensitive here, but it can be a hard enough life for people with learning disabilities without misguided comments like that.

Stop talking bollocks, please.

I don’t even have to read hora’s post (and I haven’t) to know that this is more than likely the right thing to say.