All those wingeing about public sector workers and pensions

Seriously??

Enfit – I do hope you don’t use any public services

Absolutely seriously

Oh dear. Stop shouting at people and listen to what they have to say. I don’t have the inclination to repeat what has been said many times before.

In essence this government’s assumption that growth would happen at the same time as their over zealous, ideologically driven cuts campaign has proven to be wrong. And that is hurting a lot of people, not just those in the private sector. I’m leaving it at that as I need to finish marking my year 11’s mock exams, which is harder work than usual due to a recently broken wrist that is going to be pinned next week. Fancy that eh, one of the lazy feckless public sector types working at the weekend…

enfht – Member

Nail on head Drac

22 years ago

You’re not 16 ? 😯

BTW enfht, how about you explain why austerity during the present economic climate would work. Name one country where austerity is helping to get them out of an economic mess/global recession.

Go on, do it ……. since you apparently think cuts are such a good idea.

And to help you answer that question, here’s an article in the Daily Telegraph showing how well cuts in the UK are working :

David Cameron: our plan to cut debt is failing

Quote :

“The warning comes as the global economy stands on the brink of a “chronic” debt-driven recession.”

Why isn’t it working ?

+1

My daughter is an newly qualified teacher. Interestingly, many of her work colleagues are looking at what they are doing as supporting her. Its her future that is being messed with, not so much theirs. I mean shes got £000’s pounds of debt round her neck that they didn’t have, shes having to deal with a very different contractual terms and conditions that they didn’t have and her terms of employment look like being substantially worse then her colleagues, especially in respect of her pension. On top of that she is having to work way harder than they did at a similar stage in their career due to the asinine way that education is run. currently she leaves for work (which is 10minutes away) before 7:00am in the morning, and gets home after 7:00pm at night. She rarely has a weekend where she isn’t doing something school related like marking or lesson plans. So to be honest I’m at a bit of a loss to understand all the comments along the lines of the “cotton wool brigade”.
Personally I’ve rarely had a negative experience of a public servant, most especially once I’ve taken the time to understand their situation and constraints. Bit amazed by how many posters on here seem to not have had a similar outlook

Not taking sides in the overall argument but:

Why isn’t working ?

The severity of the collapse of Europe may be having some impact???? No one had that in their “official” numbers. No surprise really given that politicians are rarely ahead of economic developments!

So to be honest I’m at a bit of a loss to understand all the comments along the lines of the “cotton wool brigade”.

They read the Daily Mail 💡

The severity of the collapse of Europe may be having some impact???? No one had that in their “official” numbers. No surprise really given that politicians are rarely ahead of economic developments!

Excellent ! Initially we were told by the present government that we were in a mess purely because of the last government’s policies……”the mess Labour left us”. It had nothing to do with the global recession/credit crunch/external factors. Now all of a sudden this governments failures are all down to the Eurozone crises/external factors !

Yes, the world, including the Eurozone, is in a mess. Now is not the time for cuts. The LibDems even fought the last general election on a “no cuts now” platform, and people voted accordingly. But Danny Alexander says we must have cuts now.

Time for a new government I reckon. This shower have proved to be both incompetent and liars.

This shower have proved to be both incompetent and liars.

Well knock me down with a feather, shave my head and call me a baldy, I’ll go to the foot of our stairs, Politicians in not quite doing what they said they would shocker!

It’s enough to make us all cynic-al.

Politicians in not quite doing what they said they would shocker!

What do you mean “not quite” ? 😕

The LibDems are pursuing policies which diametrically opposed to the policies which they fought the last general election on.

Why do you think their support has collapsed ? Even though they have now overcome the “not a serious party of government” stigma, which blighted their chances for so many years.

Berm Bandit… firstly well put and secondly tell her it will get better, is she doing primary or secondary?

PS. Cant wait to post on here on wednesday.. oh how the piss will boil. 😆

Ernie – I have some sympathy with your points even if I do not agree with the conclusions. There is an annoying habit in politics for Labour to blame the bankers (conveniently forgetting their role in regulation, encouraging excess leverage etc) and for the Tories to blame Europe. Not quite that simple really, is it.

But I am not defending the Tories (as I agree that Plan A is too restrictive) but equally its hard to deny that we have bu$$er all chance of getting out of recession quickly without a resolution to the European crisis. So for that I WILL cut the Tories some slack. For their inability to think of, and execute, a Plan B I WILL NOT.

Sorry, I should have said the coalition, but I keep forgetting about the other lot!!

There is an annoying habit in politics for Labour to blame the bankers (conveniently forgetting their role in regulation, encouraging excess leverage etc)

Does Labour blame the bankers ? …… I don’t think I’ve ever heard them do that, not senior Labour politicians anyway. I’ve always assumed that it was because they were embarrassed by their own failure to regulate them.

I, blame the bankers though.

And New Labour.

…..but mostly the bankers.

My thinking is that as usual the Unions have already agreed a deal with the government, but they have to be seen to be protecting the rights of the workers. Once they’ve had there days strike the deal will be announced and no one loses too much face, plus the government gets what it wants and the Union reps keep getting their big fat salaries.

and the Union reps keep getting their big fat salaries.

Union reps get big fat salaries ? Since when ?

Just out of interest which nhs staff are striking??

Doctors and nurses arent, and our pensions are being shafted too!

Headfirst, there’s no money. Do you get it? I don’t want my grandchildren to fund your unsustainable gravy train.

Bum Bandit, I worked 60 hours this week, more than 20 of which was unpaid because sometimes this is necessary for the greater good. I know I’ll see the reward in the long term.

Ernie, I’ll elaborate all you want AFTER you either admit or deny you’re a closet Marxist.

You lot are utterly deluded.

I worked 60 hours this week, more than 20 of which was unpaid because sometimes this is necessary for the greater good. I know I’ll see the reward in the long term.

Bless.

Shouldn’t you be saying that about Bum Bandits daughter?

currently she leaves for work (which is 10minutes away) before 7:00am in the morning, and gets home after 7:00pm at night. She rarely has a weekend where she isn’t doing something school related like marking or lesson plans

FYI enhft I’ve just reported your posts.
“Bum Bandit” !!??

What are? 12?

Of course I’m not a closet Marxist. I’m perfectly open about my Marxist views. In fact, I would be mortified if anyone thought I wasn’t a Marxist. Having said that, I’ve always thought that only Marx himself could call himself a Marxist – no one can possibly agree with everything one person says. I certainly don’t, and that includes Marx.

Right, now elaborate ………why are the cuts such a good idea ?

I’m all ears.

FYI enhft I’ve just reported your posts.

FFS, don’t get him banned – I want to hear why the cuts are such a good idea.

I would be seriously disappointed if he was let off the hook.

There’s no money me old Marxist mucker

Right, now elaborate why its OK to put future generations into massive debt?

Ernie a closet marxist? I don’t believe ernie knows where the closet is 🙂

Enfit – there is plenty of money – its all about how you want to alocate it. A few people have grabbed most of it.

Id like to apologise about the bum bandit incorrect translation, I thought “berm” meant he was French

enfht –

Right, now elaborate why its OK to put future generations into massive debt?

Public sector pensions won’t do this. Bankers adn other stealing allteh money might. Tescos and the like avoid tax might. Public sector pensions – affordable and sustainable

There’s no money me old Marxist mucker

Is that it ???????? 😯

Hahahahahahahaha 😀

You really haven’t got a clue, have you ?

Well at least that’s one thing sorted out…..not that there was ever any doubt of course.

I had just hoped that you might have made more of an effort. Still, never mind eh.

Tagnut Jangler, why the NO CUTS placards?

ok maybe reps was the wrong term,although I call them reps. Most negotiations that we get sight of have attendance of fairly high paid individuals they are only concerned with their own egos. Not the workers they represent.

Yes, Ernie that’s it. Your ilk just wrap it up into whatever reason fits your failed politics

Still, never mind eh

Now you just sound like the ElfBoy. Shame on you.

Shouldn’t you be saying that about Bum Bandits daughter

Why, has she also started shouting at randoms in the street?

In your head notsorichnowpenny

You really should give up trying to make ‘funny’ alternative names for people, you’re not very good at it.

Most negotiations that we get sight of have attendance of fairly high paid individuals they are only concerned with their own egos.

Well I guess that UNISON’s general secretary must be among the highest paid trade unionist, he’s on £90k. Which of course an excellent wage. And it does reflect the fact that his job involves representing 1.3 million people.

No self-respecting NHS executive would accept such pittance however, for them, you’re looking at £1k per day.

Can the NHS afford that btw ?

Heh, I’ve actually clocked up some pretty decent pay rises in the last few years. And that’s without having to work for free, sucker 🙂

I am struggling with “Lifer” to be honest

The clues in the word “sucker” so don’t feel you need to explain how

Heh, I’ve actually clocked up some pretty decent pay rises in the last few years. And that’s without having to work for free, sucker

PMSL !