All those wingeing about public sector workers and pensions

If anything goes wrong in our place we log it with our business support person.
Business support contact the building managment company helpline who assess and prioritise the fault and allocate an appropriate deadline.
They then contact the maintainance contractor manager who then comes out and assesses the fault. He then allocates a new deadline for it to be rectified and passes the job onto the maintenance team.
The maintance man then visits,looks at the job,shrugs his shoulders and says we’ll have to get outside contractors in to sort that as it’s not part of the contract. Our contract managment team then contact the building management contract management team and a million e mails later all parties descend on the office to assess the job again.They eventually reach a compromise on who does what and who pays for what,set a new deadline and various new contractors come in to submit tenders/prices which they do.But then some eagle eyed office clerk reads the small print of one of the contracts and decides that this is a capital project not maintainance so it’s back to the drawing board… so months later the heating’s still broke but by this time it’s summer so who cares

The market moves in mysterious ways.

Still, the market always knows best…….so three cheers for the market !

dmjb4 – Member
Perhaps take the teacher (or head, if its been shut in sympathy) in question to small claims court to recover any expenses?

How is the hangover this morning? (I hope you were drunk when you typed this)

All those wingeing about public sector workers and pensions
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ernie_lynch – Member

If anything goes wrong in our place we log it with our business support person.
Business support contact the building managment company helpline who assess and prioritise the fault and allocate an appropriate deadline.
They then contact the maintainance contractor manager who then comes out and assesses the fault. He then allocates a new deadline for it to be rectified and passes the job onto the maintenance team.
The maintance man then visits,looks at the job,shrugs his shoulders and says we’ll have to get outside contractors in to sort that as it’s not part of the contract. Our contract managment team then contact the building management contract management team and a million e mails later all parties descend on the office to assess the job again.They eventually reach a compromise on who does what and who pays for what,set a new deadline and various new contractors come in to submit tenders/prices which they do.But then some eagle eyed office clerk reads the small print of one of the contracts and decides that this is a capital project not maintainance so it’s back to the drawing board… so months later the heating’s still broke but by this time it’s summer so who cares

The market moves in mysterious ways.

Still, the market always knows best…….so three cheers for the market !

I wouldn’t say that was the fault of either public or private sector. It’s the people who are responsible for looking after that system who are responsible, regardless of sector. Where I work in the private sector if we came across that kind of ridiculous inefficiency someone would try and tackle it. Either through frustration and a personal desire to get what the work done (as they are accountable) or through wanting to give off impression so they get a payrise/promotion by improving things outside of their immediate area. I Certainly wouldn’t just live with it though.

anagallis_arvensis – Member
Berm Bandit… firstly well put and secondly tell her it will get better, is she doing primary or secondary?

Thank you. Shes doing Primary in quite a challenged local school. Loves every minute of it even though she got clumped by an OFSTED inspection which downgraded the school and criticised her teaching technique during her third week in the job.

Ref: Enfht

Fella you might be wise to consider some introspection. Unless you are an extremely good actor/writer, which there is every indication that you aren’t, all is not well within.

Most rational people know that to stimulate the economy the poorer sections of society need to be given more disposable income. The poor spend on things, the rich just invest.

That is a very interesting (???) observation. We have just had an economic mirage based on consumption and leverage. I would be amazed if merely stimulating consumption was the answer.

There needs to be a redistribution from rich to poor for partly these reasons
.

Sorry, this seems to be absurd. There is an argument for redistribition based on equality, but the logic here ie, poor people spend, rich invest, leaves me gobsmacked.

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Teamhurtmore: sorry to drag this up from the dead, but if you’re reading here is a good article on exactly this subject:

Why we should lower the tax burden on working people[/url]

Ref: Enfht

Fella you might …….

Don’t you not knocking Enfht 😐 In fact, I would like to extend a warm and sincere thank you to Enfht and dmjb4, for having enlighten everyone to just how daft, dense, and dimwitted, right-wing Daily Mail readers/Tories can be. Without their help and cooperation my job might have been a bit harder.

Thanks once again lads, and there’s a tenner in the post for each of you as agreed 8)

ernie you seem to be quoting some sort of poor management analogy,
I dont see how the private sector is at fault for your organisations mismanagement,
But its always nice to blame someone else.
I dont see private sector being particularly well managed either.

however this pensions debate is driving a wedge between public sector and private sector.
Union and non-union.

ernie you seem to be quoting some sort of poor management analogy,
I dont see how the private sector is at fault for your organisations mismanagement,
But its always nice to blame someone else.
I dont see private sector being particularly well managed either.

I was quoting nick1962, see previous page. I’m not entirely sure what your point is, but your comment probably needs to be directed at him.

Don’t you not knocking Enfht In fact, I would like to extend a warm and sincere thank you to Enfht and dmjb4, for having enlighten everyone to just how daft, dense, and dimwitted, right-wing Daily Mail readers/Tories can be. Without their help and cooperation my job might have been a bit harder.

Thanks once again lads, and there’s a tenner in the post for each of you as agreed

😆

Whatever the Govt does manage to squeeze out of the public sector at the end of all this, you can bet your boots that ten minutes later it will be the justification that private sector companies are looking for to reduce their own employees’ pay and conditions.

And meanwhile those at the top will be congratulating themselves on how they have cut costs and increased productivity, will carry on awarding each other even higher bonuses for being so good at taking “tough decisions” and the circle will be complete and the whole cycle will start again.

Funny thing perception.

Reading back you lot got all upset by me taking the piss out of your workshy ethics.

And Ernie you STILL go quiet when I mention your hero Che the terrorist.

Bermboy…not now Kato!

rightplacerighttime – Member
Whatever the Govt does manage to squeeze out of the public sector at the end of all this, you can bet your boots that ten minutes later it will be the justification that private sector companies are looking for to reduce their own employees’ pay and conditions.

you are about ten years behind the curve, most people in the private sector don’t have a defined benefit pension and those that do probably have had the scheme ammended already, those on money purchase schemes are paying in considerably more than the public sector to get less and at risk.

Teamhurtmore: sorry to drag this up from the dead, but if you’re reading here is a good article on exactly this subject:

Why we should lower the tax burden on working people

Thanks for the link. I had missed that. Interesting points, and certainly I agree with lowering tax, changing tax thresholds etc. But my distinction and the one that is also raised here is the idea of encouraging leveraged consumption. Plus one of my points above, was the lack of logic in the argument that distribution of income from the rich to the poor was good because the rich would invest it whereas the poor would spend. I still think that that is absurd, sugar candy economics.

you are about ten years behind the curve, most people in the private sector don’t have a defined benefit pension and those that do probably have had the scheme ammended already, those on money purchase schemes are paying in considerably more than the public sector to get less and at risk.

And you didn’t actually bother to read what I wrote.

Where did I say pensions?

I specifically didn’t say that.

Try to see the bigger picture.

Interesting to see who is currently winning the propoganda war:

An opinion poll commissioned by BBC News suggests 61% of people believe public sector workers are justified in going on strike over pension changes.

Wow – I am surprised 😯

enfht – Member

And Ernie you STILL go quiet when I mention your hero Che the terrorist.

I never go quiet when you post anything enfht, you do such a good job of discrediting Daily Mail readers/Tory voting dimwits, I just like to egg you on 😀

So you want to talk about Che on a thread about public sector pensions ?!!! Oh go on then. Yes he’s an inspirational hero. Jean-Paul Sartre called him “the most complete man in history”. What ju reckon ? Personally I think it’s overstating the point, but I know what he meant.

TandemJeremy – Member
Wow – I am surprised

+ 1 😯

Fiveundred! 😀

Wow – I am surprised

And I don’t really believe it. A YouGov poll put support for the teachers striking at 41% and opposition at 49%, and considerably less for civil servants, which I think is probably more realistic.

But even that is impressive considering that nigh on 100% of newspapers are opposed to the public sector unions striking. So considering that many people won’t have been able to read the public sector unions case, and will mostly have heard the governments’ side of the argument, it suggests that many people are supporting them for more emotional reasons, rather than because they have heard the unions side of the argument.

They very likely see it in terms of a Tory government attacking working people. What is otherwise known as class consciousness. All very encouraging. Specially as the Tories have their own highly develop sense of class conscious, so it’s nice to see ordinary common people developing theirs.

I wish I worked for a company that let me read through and contribute to these posts in more detail and in works time 😉

Given that 20% of the workforce are in the public sector maybe 60% overall support is possible?

Bear in mind that a lot of private sector people will either be married or otherwise closely related to someone in the public sector so will likely share their sense of grievance.

Also, the public sector cuts through a lot of class barriers (unlike coal mining for example) – there are a lot of very middle class / upper middle class female teachers in primary schools plus many doctors who will be affected and may well be explaining to their traditionally Tory mates that this is a step too far.

Also I think some of the increasingly histrionic rhetoric from the likes of Gove and Maude doesn’t play well and does a lot to remind people what a bunch of arrogant toffs the Tory high command are, and how very little “we are all in this together”.

Finally of course, there may well be a reaction to Osbourne’s statement tomorrow that may well make a difference to the way the strike plays out on Wednesday.

Maybe it’s about time this forum had a polling function added?

Jeeze that bloke really, really, cannot sing. 🙁

Because we’re Tory, and that’s what we do.

😆

cant sing you say

If I wanted sympathy for my industrial action I would give out homework exemptions. As the subject of Goodwin’s said “If you refuse to support me, I will laugh as your children are already mine.” Wanders off to waste the taxpayers resources…

Also I think some of the increasingly histrionic rhetoric from the likes of Gove and Maude doesn’t play well and does a lot to remind people what a bunch of arrogant toffs the Tory high command are, and how very little “we are all in this together”.

http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2010/03/21/picture-emerges-of-tory-strike-basher-michael-gove-on-the-picket-line-during-his-own-walkout-93463-22127004/%5B/url%5D

Michael Gove stole £7000 of taxpayers money during the last parliament, he was ordered by his leader to hand it back, Maude claimed £35000 mortgage expenses for his second home when his first home was less than a minutes walk away. We should take no lectures from these liars and thieves.

Francis Maude will receive a £731,000 pension. Paid for by the taxpayer.

Francis Maude will receive a £731,000 pension.

That doesn’t sound right.

Its from a Red Top, but they don’t lie do they?

Francis Maude will receive a £731,000 pension.[/url]

Ah, that would be a £43,000 pension then.

Poor old sod if that’s all he’s going to have to live on in his retirement – but I bet it’s not.

Funny thing perception.
Reading back you lot got all upset by me taking the piss out of your workshy ethics.
And Ernie you STILL go quiet when I mention your hero Che the terrorist.

Workshy ethics? That’s a pretty sweeping generalisation troll-boy ( that’s how I’ll refer to you from now on)..
How’d you fancy coming out and doing a 12 hour nightshift with me, then let me know if you think public sector workers are “workshy” as you so eloquently put it.
Workshy FFS, brilliant (wanders off to bed laughing at troll-boy and “workshy”… Snigger)

I didn’t even bite to that one. I don’t need to I know those peoples who’ve I’ve helped over the last 22 years will certainly never think of me as work shy or their families.

Anyway I’m off for a snooze as work tonight at 7 for 12 hours not that I’ll be working of course being in the public sector.

Me too Drac, promises to be abusy one. ‘night.

I alway expect a busy one that way if it’s quiet it’s like Xmas.

Don’t you not knocking Enfht

I wasn’t, just a little concerned by his, (and for that matter quite a few others), displaced anger.

Sorry for calling you a **** Drac 😆