Here’s a related fact regarding the 9/11 commission…

Kissinger Associates

From your link. So it doesn’t really point to anything really. Just you trying to create the whiff of impropriety from unrelated stuff, again.

It’s got more than a whiff of desperation about it now.

Yep, just like I realize that wikileaks never uncovered the 114 missing child abuse files…

No point asking jivebunny for a source.

His idea of a credible source is someone who writes something on a website, and can prove it’s true, because he also wrote the same thing in a book.

What more proof do you need ? It’s written in TWO places ! It MUST be true 🙄

That’s what this thread needs, more sauce!

What floor was Kissinger’s office on?

Are you sure that’s not the plot for ‘Spectre’?

I’ll take that as an admisssion that you’re making 90% of this shit up.

The salient point is that Jive is quoting a book published in 1993, that has very reviews, let alone sales, to help justify his 9/11 conspiracy.

Also this, there’s nothing like hearsay dressed up as facts is there?

Strange you should focus on the book alone… though of course, non-fiction books are subject to legal constraints and there have been plenty of cases where people have been prevented from publishing by the intelligence services.

Same goes for Craig Unger’s work regarding Bush and Bandar… Craig is quite well known and has served as deputy editor of the New York Observer and was editor-in-chief of Boston Magazine. He has written about George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush for The New Yorker, Esquire Magazine and Vanity Fair.

No one has sued though… that tends to mean things are a fair representation of facts (and/or the parties involved would prefer the matters discussed aren’t investigated further)

Beyond all that, you may have noticed the ‘Brian Crozier’ link is an obituary in the Guardian. You can find several similar articles throughout the mainstream press.

That’s were it gets tricky though~ can you trust the press to give you the full picture; after all, Rupert Murdoch has been linked to Brian Crozier and Forum World Features…

The swivel eyed loon in question, with another swivel eyed loon…

From a scientific point of view, the higher than Mach 1 terminal velocity of the planes at impact, would be perfectly reasonable in a FE scenario with directional air pressure*.

makes you think.

*combining a few threads here, thank me later mods

😆 Good work Northwind, made me chuckle.

So anyway, back to Brian Crozier and ‘the 61’… what kind of things would a covert private intelligence agency that’s a sworn enemy of Russia be up to in the 80s?

yes, let’s join together in a big game of make stuff up, the most outlandish suggestion that retains a touch of credibility wins!

maybe if you quote yourself that will add credibility CapF?

Just to clarify, are you talking about me or Tom Selleck there?

9/11 isn’t made up, nor is Osama Bin Laden.

Nor for that matter is Brian Crozier and ‘the 61’

Here’s a pic to brigthen things up a bit and make it a bit less boring for you. (I don’t have any squeaky toys or shiny things to hand)

anyone who can grow such a luxuriant moustache and chest hair must be fantastically well hung.

Just to clarify, are you talking about me or Tom Selleck there?

you, obviously.

feel free to quote this in future debates

Patience my dear friend, soon enough you’ll see they are entirely connected, both to one another and 9/11.

1st up… what were all the other intelligence agencies up to back then?

John Rambo can help there…

Though Operation Cyclone was a covert operation, some folk at Rambo III must’ve been pretty in the loop. They even mention supply of Stinger missiles.

A hero like Rambo is no doubt handy for cementing public support.

There again, what with the CIA, MI6, Mossad, ISI, Saudi intelligence and others involved, there must’ve been a fair few folk in the know, even if they didn’t want the general population in on it.

No doubt such a co-ordinated effort would’ve required extensive planning… we’ll come back to that

To put the pic of Mujahideen Afghan leaders visitng Reagan in context, it’s worth bearing in mind that 1983 was when Donald Rumsfeld was made Reagan’s Special Envoy to the Middle East.

Aside from his dealings helping arm Saddam, he must’ve cemented a pretty solid relationship with Saudi Arabia back then, because this is what he had to say less than a month after the 9/11 attacks:

That of course takes us back to Bandar’s Riggs bank funds reaching the hijackers and his contact with Abu Zubaydah, not forgetting other members of the Saudi elite being implicated in funding and aiding Al-Qaeda.

(On a side note, it’s worth noting that Rumsfeld’s Princeton roommate and lifelong friend, Frank Carlucci was deputy director of the CIA when Operation Cyclone began)

What do you mean when you say “pretty in the loop”

Ronald Reagan talked publicly about Operation Cyclone and Stinger Missiles going to Afghanistan in 1980 when he was a Presidential Candidate.

It was totally public knowledge in the early 80’s.

Why would filmmakers in 1998 need to be “in the loop” to know about it ?

Are you trying to make it all sound “dodgy and conspiratorial” on purpose ?

Or do you maybe just not know as much about this stuff as you think you do. 🙄