That's as may be, Wales points diff was -4.
I'm very happy to provide a neutral reference to my claim;
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
You'rs are? results matter in the real world
that's aside from the fact that england have beaten wales, and finished consistently above them for the last 4 odd years.
Just for rhys
http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php
enjoy mate

Yeah, because you know better 🙄

Well who cares if england is better than wales…
*/smug mode/*
Who wont the grandslam this year :p

This is just ridiculous. Wales lost to england this year, england finished the table above wales. It really is that simple.
And you still maintain that wales are a better team? FFS
I sense some excuses coming (oh we had a bad game and france didn't let us finish waa waa waa).
Wales have finished higher than england in the 6N 3 times since 1991. Wales may have won some individual games but it's the 6 nations.

I agree – who cares that England are better, on paper, than Wales.
I'd much rather watch Wales, than the England team of the first 4 games in the tournament.
In fact, I think I'd rather watch f%^&ing GOLF than the England team of the first 4 games!

I found myself not caring that England lost against France, just so happy relieved that they weren't SHIT.

Wales have finished higher than england in the 6N 3 times since 1991.

Why stop at 1991? Shall we go back to 1970?

backhander, well done, you've cheered me up today, reading this. 😀

and also

juan, that made me laugh as well.

I'm just being flippant! 😉

I am in no way saying that england aren't crap. Just slightly less crap than wales over the course of the tournament according to the results and table. Which is the point of a tournament. See?

Remember I'm genetically predispositioned to disagree with everything you say 🙂

Whytetrash; Shut up you f***ing idiot.

Think your mum must have dropped you on your head mate!..very reasoned response there addressing all the key points!….Rugby is a game to entertain…England patently do not ergo Wales are better!

As and Englishman I do sadly have to agree with some of the points made by the Welsh on here, but at the start of this thread A-A did go on about how great the Welsh 15 are, now he has finally admitted that they really struggle with a few injuries. Eng to have struggled to find a setteld 15 with the injuries we have had, and it definitely shows in our performances.
The choice of Tindall in the centres was obvious to counteract the big Basterau, don't understand why that confused you. He is a very good player and has spent a long time out with injury, otherwise he would have been in the squad from the start.

As for Eng v Wales at the moment, well that was settled a few weeks ago. However much you complain, and you say that Wales play better, the record books show that Eng beat Wales, and it is pretty difficult to argue that the losing side is therefore better. On the given day, England managed to score more points than Wales, which is the idea, and regardless of how they did it, it does make them better at rugby. England are not playing attractive rugby and havent for some time, but they are getting some reasonable results out (lots of 2nd and 3rds in 6N and 2nd in WC), and yet no-one is giving them any credit for that. Personally I would be happier supporting them if I had a bit of confidence that they might either show some flair or conviction, and I did hope MJ might get them going this year and use some younger players before the WC, but not to be.

Overall the table is pretty fair
France won all games without too much bother
Ireland second best to France
Eng average, and a bit lucky
Wales played less than 40mins per game and so cant be too upset with 4th
Scot played some good rugby, but didnt score enough tries (been a problem for years)
Italy need to stop bringing in struggling SH players, think the ML promotion will help

England are obviously a worse side than Wales currently. The fact that they finished higher in the table is immaterial since not all of their opponents play the same standard in each match.

That's my theory anyway 🙂

Seriously though, I think Wales are cooking up something fantastic. It just needs to click – if it does, then we will be fabulous. Until Martyn and Shane retire.. then we'll be worse 🙂

😆 Absolutely loving that phrase Pigface.

Darcy – Scotland fans know how crap they are – just delighted to be significantly less crap than last year.

Were Scotland the only team that improved this year? Maybe Italy and France? England were the worst I have ever seen – lowest points total in the 6n that they have ever got