The scientific method applies to science. Politics is not science. And as said, we already have science on the curriculum.

We already have History and Philosophy on the curriculum as well.

I’m going to go even further now and state that whilst Britain has a strong scientific and engineering streak, it does not have a strong cultural attachment to it. Whilst the United States, Germany and Japan built their economies on the back of the scientific and engineering feats, science and engineering, despite weirdly being the home of the industrial revolution has always played second fiddle and been looked down on by Oxbridge financiers, lawyers etc. The epitomy of that for me was when I was travelling back to Oxford from London on the coach and overheard two fusty Oxford professors agreeing that Neville Chamberlain was a useless PM because he was an “engineer”, despite the fact that he actually flunked out of metallurgy school.

That attitude also shows itself by the fact that whenever we discover or push a scientific or engineering breakthrough, we manage to piss it up the wall.

Policy can and should be rooted in science and evidence where it is available.

Evidence is available in all sorts of things that are not science. Like nursing for example. Evidence based practice is a key aspect

bye

We already have History and Philosophy on the curriculum as well.

They aren’t compulsory – optional GCSEs AFAIK. And Philosophy wasn’t offered at our school.

I’m saying these things should be part of the core personal education that they do (whatever it’s called these days) that covers stuff like relationships and sex etc.

IIRC a humanity is compulsory. I think for most people it’s Geography which is pretty bloody useless.

Let’s not pretend both parties won’t be trying to use the London bridge attacks as the polls tighten

SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: PMs fury over 70 freed terrorists #TomorrowsPapersToday pic.twitter.com/TsKtnaHtDV

— Neil Henderson (@hendopolis) November 30, 2019

What does it teach you that is as important as how to decide how your country should be run? I honestly don’t know, and I have an A in GCSE Geography.

How it should be run in relation to the rest of the world we live with, geography defines nations.

The lack of attention given to that is again, a very British disease – probably because we are islanders. A shame, because we used to have a strong culture of geographical mindset during the enlightenment.

I’d certainly say it’s more important than media studies or philosophy at GCSE level, maybe History and Geography could be rolled into one subject as they complement each other so well.

That was delatpolls constituency level polling onzadog

I think some of the Tories are getting nervous

Matt Hancock has had a bruising time trying to keep winning that 50,000 nurses lie

These people aren’t politicians. Look at the behaviour of @MattHancock here. They’re hardly even adults. The truth is that the current crop of @Conservatives around @BorisJohnson have not a moral bone in their bodies – the lies just trip off their tongues: pic.twitter.com/DotDIDNyJy

— Ben Sellers (@MrBenSellers) November 30, 2019

What does it teach you that is as important as how to decide how your country should be run? I honestly don’t know, and I have an A in GCSE Geography.

How it should be run in relation to the rest of the world we live with, geography defines nations.

The lack of attention given to that is again, a very British disease – probably because we are islanders. A shame, because we used to have a strong culture of geographical mindset during the enlightenment.

I’d certainly say it’s more important than media studies or philosophy at GCSE level, maybe History and Geography could be rolled into one subject as they complement each other so well.

Philosophy is the source of critical thinking; lumping it in with media studies does it a gross disservice.

JP

Well congratulations- you just tried to correct a nurse, who was explaining to you about how evidence based practice works in nursing, with a wikipedia article. Had enough of experts…

The vast – and I mean the huge majority of evidence used in nursing is based on the scientific method. Evidence based practice in nursing exploits scientific research.

He also actually kind of agreed with my original premise, that you all took issue with – when he stated that

Thus teaching it (evidence based thinking) helps all learning.

Talk about tying yourself in knots.

Philosophy is the source of critical thinking; lumping it in with media studies does it a gross disservice.

Historically, yes you are right. I’m not sure what the relevance is of that at a GCSE level.

It’s also responsible for some outright stupidity.

https://bigthink.com/errors-we-live-by/why-are-scientists-philosophers-fighting-again

first you say only science teaches critical thinking, then you say only scientists use evidence based practice, you tell me ( correctly) nursing is not a science then you tell me evidence based practice in nursing is based on scientific method.

I stated science teaches critical thinking, it was the implicit assertion on Sobriety that it did not – and you defended it.

n you say only scientists use evidence based practice, you tell me

I have not stated that, I have stated that evidence based practice is based on the scientific method and investigation. You have been squarking that evidence based practice is not just used by science, despite the fact that it is almost entirely based on science in a clinical setting and despite the fact that I have asserted that evidence based thinking is important anyway.

I have never stated that science is the only evidence based discipline

When I stated that

evidence based thinking, eg the sciences

Did I use “ergo the sciences” or “eg the sciences” – TJ?

However, at a GCSE level – evidence base thinking is probably best highlighted by the sciences especially as that is what the majority of evidence based thinking is predicated upon.

How it should be run in relation to the rest of the world we live with, geography defines nations.

Not being arsey but really – how? Nothing I learned at GCSE was anything to do with geopolitics. And I’d say history defines nations far more than geography..!

Geography has nothing to do with wether or not you want a small or big state. That is directly relevant to how you vote, and it’s a philosophy question.

Has anyone else seen the story that Raaaaaabs seat is now at risk? 50/50 he is going to lose it

Now that would make me smile

And I’d say history defines nations far more than geography..!

I’d argue that in this context, history is largely a function of geography.

Owen Jones on 5Live now – what a gobshite.

I have no doubt that the hijacking of this thread has stifled meaningful discussion.

what a gobshite.

Owen Jones on 5Live now – what a gobshite.

It’s called being a decent human being.

Average Tory lead is around 10%

There is 3.1 m newly registered voters

Of which 2/3 are under 35, and over a million under 25.

If this (out of date) poll is to be believed

With some decent tactical voting that 10% doesn’t look so safe.

Missed out the BMG poll yesterday

2nd one to out us back in possible hung parliament territory

Other Parties:

LDM: 13% (-5)
GRN: 5% (=)
BXP: 4% (+1)

— Election Maps UK (@ElectionMapsUK) November 30, 2019

He just chunters with a smirk on his face.
I like to think I’m quite empathetic but I genuinely cannot see why people think he’s a decent person and a suitable candidate for PM.

The man is an arse of the highest order.