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2019 General Election
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DrJFull Member
It’s handy when someone starts off:
Right. I’m going to call it.
It is a pretty good indicator that what follows is a cloud of heffer dust, so you can save time by not reading it.
kelvinFull MemberAnyone still want to claim there isn’t ingrained bias in the MSM, and especially the BBC towards Johsnson?
Johnson being a no show isn’t a sign of ingrained bias though, is it. He’s a no show on Friday as well. As is Corbyn. How do those organising the TV events force them to attend?
binnersFull MemberAnd isn’t the BBC presently reporting that ‘no government ministers were present’ at the meetings about the NHS that the labour party are reporting on?
Erm… yes… except Liam Fox, the secretary of state for international trade, who was present at all of them.
Does he not count, then?
outofbreathFree MemberAnyone still want to claim there isn’t ingrained bias in the MSM, and especially the BBC towards Johsnson?
Eh? If the BBC was biased towards Boris, wouldn’t he be willing to do the interview? Surely the fact he’s not doing it indicates he’s expecting a grilling?
DrJFull MemberFrom the Grauniad:
Labour source tells me BBC informed them Boris Johnson would do an Andrew Neil interview next week.
Turns out no such agreement had been reached.
If Tory leader isn’t subjected to same scrutiny as Mr Corbyn, but his team was told he would be, that’s a problem for the BBC. https://twitter.com/RobBurl/status/1199461520780021760 …
dazhFull MemberEh?
You don’t think there’s anything wrong in the supposedly impartial national broadcaster interviewing candidates with their most aggressive and difficult interviewer before ensuring they’d also be interviewing the PM? If they didn’t have the commitment of Johnson they shouldn’t have broadcast the other interviews. This is even more the case when you see how Neil conducted the interviews. It’s bullshit, plain and simple.
kerleyFree MemberEh? If the BBC was biased towards Boris, wouldn’t he be willing to do the interview?
In a fair representation type of way you would expect for all the interview to be lined up and agreed before any of them took place. Unless Andrew Neil is going to empty chair Boris.
kelvinFull MemberHow do those organising the TV events force them to attend?
And now we have people who have been complaining that Corbyn can’t get airtime (which was always bogus) saying that his interview shouldn’t have been broadcast if Johnson is going to no show.
dazhFull MemberAny doubt now? The BBC are not impartial. Not only that but it appears they have actively misled the labour party.
Labour source tells me BBC informed them Boris Johnson would do an Andrew Neil interview next week.
Turns out no such agreement had been reached.
If Tory leader isn't subjected to same scrutiny as Mr Corbyn, but his team was told he would be, that's a problem for the BBC. https://t.co/pQXkx9YTqf
— Theo Usherwood (@theousherwood) November 27, 2019
kelvinFull MemberHmm… Johnson’s people say he’ll show… and row back on that after seeing Sturgeon and Corbyn being interviewed, and are now avoiding setting a firm date? Seems far more likely than the “BBC” deliberately misleading Corbyn’s team for whatever reason you have whirling around your tinfoil encased brain.
frankconwayFree MemberKelvin – they don’t; how can they?
I’m sure there will be attempts at behind the scenes persuasion and public embarrassment.
As for Kerley’s comment, wouldn’t it be great if Neil empty chaired Johnson? What about Johnson being represented by a puppet?slowoldmanFull MemberThey are technical talks, from non-political negotiating teams, exploring each others’ systems, and indicating areas for future discussion.
Whatever. There are pretty damning comments regarding what will be and what won’t be acceptable and/or necessary. A couple interesting points here regarding regulations and custom union/single market.
In the 451 pages of the US – UK negotiation meetings made public today – the text in the attached 2 images stand out for me and my team @remainutd so far pic.twitter.com/VIsj2xsLVV
— Gina Miller (@thatginamiller) November 27, 2019
molgripsFree MemberHmm… Johnson’s people say he’ll show… and row back on that after seeing Sturgeon and Corbyn being interviewed, and are now avoiding setting a firm date?
Hm. If he tries to put it off and ends up succumbing to pressure, his will be the last one, and if it’s bad it’ll be what people remember going to the polls.
kelvinFull MemberMay tried avoiding everything. It didn’t really work that well for her. I expect he’ll do it, but Cummings will have a whole series of dead cats lined up for that day.
kiksyFree MemberHow do those organising the TV events force them to attend?
Thats the challenge. What needs to happen is that not-showing gets empty chaired with a tub of lard and just a series of accusations gets read out for 30mins, presented as facts as they won’t turn up to defend them. It needs to be a huge disgrace to be seen avoiding something like this.
DelFull MemberBecause the govt isn’t/wouldn’t be capable of doing it. Otherwise it would already be forcing change on the private companies through legislation and oversight. Govt’s of either colour over the last 20 – 30 years, I am referring to.
Boomer, we kind of did this when the openreach thing came up, but look at the recent history ( 10 years ) of the East coast line. I work in private industry. Some of it is really shitly done. This idea that public sector: bad, private sector: good, is absolute bunk. Particularly when the taxpayer gets to carry the risk and the private sector gets to trouser any profits.
kimbersFull MemberBxp ltd really hurt labour by pulling out of Tory seats
Since Brexit Party stood down in Tory seats on 11 Nov, per @britainelects:
Con: 42.4% (+5.3%)
Lab: 29.6% (+1.2%)
Lib: 14.6% (-1.4%)
Brx: 4.4% (-5.1%)
Green: 3.4% (+0.4%)Big, evident impact. Lab had closed lead to 9 pts. Now 13. More from @spreadsheetben https://t.co/9sGmYS4m4C
— Harry Lambert (@harrytlambert) November 27, 2019
Constituency level polling out later tonight is going to show some worrying things for labour I reckon
NorthwindFull Memberbinners
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You what? It couldn’t have worked better!
It literally, mathematically, didn’t work at all. Corbyn wasn’t elected by the entryists, their scheme failed completely, all they did was give money to the Labour party. Sorry, just facts.
kimbersFull MemberTory source says better take the hit for ?than take the risk of @afneil. Happy Days! https://t.co/Xw7aWICrQp
— Adam Boulton (@adamboultonTABB) November 27, 2019
kimbersFull MemberDon’t know if he’s Cummings or goings?
Apparently… pic.twitter.com/CRnEKZ16eP
— Mike Holden (@MikeHolden42) November 27, 2019
frankconwayFree MemberKimbers^^^ re Cummings.
Too little information to assess relevance/importance.
If he has resigned as SPAD in chief, has he cut all links to tories?
He can resign but continue as before.
Who knows?As for Bouton’s reporting of Johnson opting out of Neil interrogation, that’s much more significant than Cummings and can be used by all other parties to score points – and by media to challenge tory talking heads.
perchypantherFree MemberIf he has resigned as SPAD in chief, has he cut all links to tories?
He can resign but continue as before.…..but can now say whatever the hell he likes as he’s no longer bound by rules of electoral purdah.
Classic Dom.
dazhFull MemberAnyone still in doubt? I mean it’s not like there’s anything important to report, like selling of the NHS or avoiding scrutiny by journalists.
“The reason for putting the jam on first is because jam is adhesive”
Conservative leader Boris Johnson prepares a scone, saying, when asked about the correct order of jam and cream, that he "couldn't remember, so I guessed"https://t.co/lbGIAxEpOv pic.twitter.com/9DKu3krqqT
— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) November 27, 2019
kimbersFull MemberLabour chipping away
Westminster Voting Intention:
CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDM: 13% (+1)
BXP: 5% (=)Via @SavantaComRes, 25-26 Nov.
Changes w/ 20-21 Nov.— Election Maps UK (@ElectionMapsUK) November 27, 2019
frankconwayFree Memberperchy – I doubt Cummings has ever regarded himself as being subject to any rules, let alone just Purdah.
frankconwayFree MemberAbout Cummings from BBC news website….’However, the BBC has confirmed with the Cabinet Office that he resigned as a special adviser at the start of the campaign – along with all the other special advisers – as a formality.
Stepping down at that point meant he would be able to campaign without breaking any rules.’
in other words, nothing to see here.
kimbersFull MemberYeah constituency polling doesn’t look good for labour
New.
Here are the numbers for the MRP @YouGov poll:
Conservatives 359
Labour 211
SNP 43
Lib Dem 13#GE2019— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) November 27, 2019
frankconwayFree MemberJust been listening to John Curtice comment on MRP/YouGov poll; poll size c100k so statistically valid.
Bleak.
Needs major cock-up by Johnson and stellar performance by Corbyn to recover lost ground – provided, as always, that poll results are (relatively) representative.
If Johnson avoids Andrew Neil that will massively help tory cause.
Corbyn needs to find new front on which to attack – and at same time maintain pressure on tories known weak spots and lies.
Disappointingly, LDs appear to be going nowhere in terms of seats although they may be winning more votes
Equally disappointing is that the Greens appear to be making no progress; if there was ever a time when their share of the vote should grow it’s now.Two weeks left and this is not where I hoped Labour would be.
If I was a betting man….£20 on outright majority for tories.
tjagainFull MemberOf course the greens and lib dems are making no headway – we can all see that in most seats voting for either would help the tories. Its an unfortunate effect of FPTP. 3rd party squeeze
Looks like I am on to win one of my bets – that the lib dems end up with less seats than now. Swinson has run a awful campaign which has not helped.
mattyfezFull MemberYeah constituency polling doesn’t look good for labour.
You really think the Conservatives can gain 60+ seats despite a few guaranteed losses in Scotland and Wales?
kelvinFull MemberLooks like I am on to win one of my bets – that the lib dems end up with less seats than now.
Hurrah! Those pesky LibDems are losing support (meaning more Tory MPs)… hurrah! The opposition to the opposition are neutered, and Labour will be victorious as the official opposition for another 10 years…
mattyfezFull MemberI think we might well see calderdale flip to labour aswell, for example.
kelvinFull MemberLots of Labour voters from 2017 still saying they won’t do again this time, but I hope you’re right mattyfez. I’ll be voting Labour.
dazhFull MemberSo if that poll is right I guess the people who said labour should be more pro-remain were wrong? Tories winning seats in midlands and northern leave voting seats, lib dems tanking. Seems fairly clear to me. Probably still enough remain turkeys voting for xmas too. Farage wins again. Oh well.
kelvinFull MemberNo, Labour have turned off people on all sides by having a leader that no one trusts on Brexit. People don’t want Corbyn as PM. Get out and talk to people, no matter how they voted in the Referendum, Corbyn is not someone they want to vote into power.
mattyfezFull MemberNot so sure, I had a quick chat with a the guy I in the sandwich shop where I get lunch from a few times a week, he’s more labour but his constituency is tory/lib dem, he’s voting tactically for lib dem.
It’s all about preventing a tory majority, and pretty much every one I’ve spoken to is voting tactically other than the ones who blindly vote tory anyway.
kelvinFull MemberHopefully this polling analysis makes more people think that way Mattyfez.
dazhFull MemberNot a surprise leave voting labour voters don’t trust Corbyn on brexit as he’s promising a second ref with no real leave option. The lib dems tanking seems to suggest many are sticking with labour tactically, but probably not enough. So the story is leave voters voting for the party guaranteeing leave, and most remainers sticking with labour, but not enough to make the difference. Leave wins again, that’s not down to Corbyn, it’s down to leave voters voting for a leave party. (if the poll is right of course)
kelvinFull MemberThere are people who don’t want Brexit, but are still voting Tory, because… Corbyn… you’ll get your head around people having to weigh up many different things they do or don’t want to happen to the UK. They see Corbyn as a far bigger risk to the UK than Brexit (I obviously don’t agree).
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